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Post by Finnish Gas on Jun 30, 2014 8:13:22 GMT
Went to the Elton John concert at the Colchester Community Stadium yesterday - 16,000 attended (stadium capacity - 10,105). Always thought of Colchester as the little club that played at the clapped out Layer Road ground but at the moment they are so far ahead of us in terms of both stadium facilities and commercial acumen. How much did CUFC make yesterday? - perhaps £500,000? - I can only guess.
For us to survive and compete against clubs like Colchester, Chesterfield and Doncaster the UWE Stadium represents the only realistic way forward in my view. Those who no longer want the UWE are not looking at the bigger picture. Players come and go - clubs migrate up and down the leagues - but if a club lacks the basic stadium infrastructure it is most unlikely to make any impact in today's football world.
Going back to Elton John - we can hardly accommodate an Elton John Tribute Act at the Mem - we are so far behind at the moment. The quicker the announcement arrives that "the build can commence" we will know that the club is really on the move and can progress.
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Post by Big Dave on Jun 30, 2014 8:30:08 GMT
To be honest, these last few years BRFC seems like a bad tribute act to the club I fell in love with at Twerton...
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Post by gasincider on Jun 30, 2014 9:23:57 GMT
Funny thing is, when my mate Toteend said we could make upwards of half a million per concert it was slagged off. They were right. It can be much more than that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 9:39:41 GMT
Went to the Elton John concert at the Colchester Community Stadium yesterday - 16,000 attended (stadium capacity - 10,105). Always thought of Colchester as the little club that played at the clapped out Layer Road ground but at the moment they are so far ahead of us in terms of both stadium facilities and commercial acumen. How much did CUFC make yesterday? - perhaps £500,000? - I can only guess. For us to survive and compete against clubs like Colchester, Chesterfield and Doncaster the UWE Stadium represents the only realistic way forward in my view. Those who no longer want the UWE are not looking at the bigger picture. Players come and go - clubs migrate up and down the leagues - but if a club lacks the basic stadium infrastructure it is most unlikely to make any impact in today's football world. Going back to Elton John - we can hardly accommodate an Elton John Tribute Act at the Mem - we are so far behind at the moment. The quicker the announcement arrives that "the build can commence" we will know that the club is really on the move and can progress. how much was the average ticket price? Guessing at £50 the gross revenue on that attendance would be £800k, taking away the performers fee, stewards ops cost etc if that is right then I doubt they made £500k net. But actually that is not the issue, the club at BRFC does not having like the Management infrastructure to stage anything like that, they could not even pug Santa grotto together for effs sake. |
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Post by Finnish Gas on Jun 30, 2014 10:01:06 GMT
Went to the Elton John concert at the Colchester Community Stadium yesterday - 16,000 attended (stadium capacity - 10,105). Always thought of Colchester as the little club that played at the clapped out Layer Road ground but at the moment they are so far ahead of us in terms of both stadium facilities and commercial acumen. How much did CUFC make yesterday? - perhaps £500,000? - I can only guess. For us to survive and compete against clubs like Colchester, Chesterfield and Doncaster the UWE Stadium represents the only realistic way forward in my view. Those who no longer want the UWE are not looking at the bigger picture. Players come and go - clubs migrate up and down the leagues - but if a club lacks the basic stadium infrastructure it is most unlikely to make any impact in today's football world. Going back to Elton John - we can hardly accommodate an Elton John Tribute Act at the Mem - we are so far behind at the moment. The quicker the announcement arrives that "the build can commence" we will know that the club is really on the move and can progress. how much was the average ticket price? Guessing at £50 the gross revenue on that attendance would be £800k, taking away the performers fee, stewards ops cost etc if that is right then I doubt they made £500k net. But actually that is not the issue, the club at BRFC does not having like the Management infrastructure to stage anything like that, they could not even pug Santa grotto together for effs sake. Prices ranged between £40.00 and £88.75 Weston Homes Stand £88.75* West Stand £45.00* - £88.75* East Stand £45.00* - £88.75* Gold Hospitality £88.75* Floor Seating £45.00* - £88.75* Hospitality £88.75* Silver Hospitality £66.50* North Stand £40.00* - £45.00* If we take the average say of £65.00 + £15.00 spend that would be £80.00 per head. (Parking was £8.00). That would give them £1,280,000 gross. So may be £500,000 net is not unrealistic.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 10:35:32 GMT
Optimistic but not impossible, I accept.
But the issue of ability to arrange such an event remains and is unanswered
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 10:49:56 GMT
I'm with you on this one Oldie.
They couldn't organize 2 cakes on a plate.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 11:10:21 GMT
I'm with you on this one Oldie. They couldn't organize 2 cakes on a plate. Indeed Hugo As it happens I strongly suspect, would be shocked if otherwise, that this gig was arranged and run by an event management company.Which of course BRFC could and should do. In which case the club would receive a hire fee and not the gross ticket revenues as was suggested by the OP. |
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Post by billygas on Jun 30, 2014 11:40:04 GMT
I'm with you on this one Oldie. They couldn't organize 2 cakes on a plate.  |
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Post by peterparker on Jun 30, 2014 12:11:39 GMT
How much did Elton make?
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Post by Finnish Gas on Jun 30, 2014 12:58:57 GMT
I'm with you on this one Oldie. They couldn't organize 2 cakes on a plate. Indeed Hugo As it happens I strongly suspect, would be shocked if otherwise, that this gig was arranged and run by an event management company.Which of course BRFC could and should do. In which case the club would receive a hire fee and not the gross ticket revenues as was suggested by the OP. I do not know the full answer. All I could see firsthand was that the event was packed out and was stewarded by CUFC and their catering was at full tilt. The old CUFC "Layer Road" could not have managed such an event. Yes they must have brought in outside skills / partnerships to run such an event: Marshall Arts Ltd - www.marshall-arts.com/An international and worldwide music concert and tour promotion company. Rocket - www.rocketmusic.com/Sponsorship - Gold, BBC Essex etc. www.cu-fc.com/documents/colchester-leaflet-22-may187-1569998.pdfBut the bottom line is that the "new" CUFC have the management skills to progress such an event. Is extremely doubtful that we currently possess such management skills. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 13:47:00 GMT
In essence the OP is correct of course.
Holding a concert must generate more money for the club than not holding a concert.
None of us knows if we are capable to do it, but we do know that at the Mem its impossible.
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Post by peterparker on Jun 30, 2014 14:05:36 GMT
We will have to find out wont we
Presumably City will look to hold concerts at a redeveloped Ashton Gate, you also have the County Ground and maybe in a few years we might actually have an Arena in town. In theory there is no reason each venue can’t have its slice of the market, but in practice how many suitable acts are around at any time? And no doubt we will have to compete with these venues.
It will be down to us/our new CEO to put down compelling arguments and a good financial deal as to why X should use the UWE stadium instead of Ashton Gate, or the County Ground or why it is a better venue then a slightly smaller but purpose built arena
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Post by Finnish Gas on Jun 30, 2014 14:16:04 GMT
Green Travel Plan, Park and Ride, range of accessible car parks, good connection with railway station - many factors will come into play (including space for Elton's helicopter!).
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Post by bs10er on Jun 30, 2014 15:22:56 GMT
My God,how times have changed, I saw Elton at the Hippodrome in 1976! Can't remember how much it cost,would have only been a few quid.A brilliant show as I remember,still got the programme.Louder Than Concorde(but not as pretty!)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 18:40:26 GMT
We will have to find out wont we Presumably City will look to hold concerts at a redeveloped Ashton Gate, you also have the County Ground and maybe in a few years we might actually have an Arena in town. In theory there is no reason each venue can’t have its slice of the market, but in practice how many suitable acts are around at any time? And no doubt we will have to compete with these venues. It will be down to us/our new CEO to put down compelling arguments and a good financial deal as to why X should use the UWE stadium instead of Ashton Gate, or the County Ground or why it is a better venue then a slightly smaller but purpose built arena Bristol would be a huge pull for acts. We have not held any decent concerts of large/New talent for xx years. Take up would be immense but the teds will benefit long before us then the arena will take over and we'll still be homeless. |
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Jun 30, 2014 20:54:00 GMT
I have to say, the UWE is often referred to as "The Promised Land" and of course it should be with quality facilities, a stadium to be proud of and increased revenue streams. My only concern is that many believe the extra funding will somehow make success on the pitch a formality, unfortunately it will make little difference unless the club learn from past mistakes and genuinely review how the club is run efficiently. Afterall, we've had a top half budget the last 3 seasons yet performed badly.
As in our own homes, you can have lots of money, but if you don't use it wisely you won't benefit from it.
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Post by malmersgas on Jun 30, 2014 20:54:43 GMT
I'm with you on this one Oldie. They couldn't organize 2 cakes on a plate. Indeed Hugo As it happens I strongly suspect, would be shocked if otherwise, that this gig was arranged and run by an event management company.Which of course BRFC could and should do. In which case the club would receive a hire fee and not the gross ticket revenues as was suggested by the OP. |
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Post by malmersgas on Jun 30, 2014 20:56:03 GMT
I'm with you on this one Oldie. They couldn't organize 2 cakes on a plate. Indeed Hugo As it happens I strongly suspect, would be shocked if otherwise, that this gig was arranged and run by an event management company.Which of course BRFC could and should do. In which case the club would receive a hire fee and not the gross ticket revenues as was suggested by the OP. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 30, 2014 21:19:55 GMT
I can't see its as straight forward as just saying a concert would generate £500K, as a fortune must be spent on advertising etc, plus the tax man would also want his cut of any profits, along with VAT(?). Probably £250K profit is more likely and we can only have 3 concerts a year anyway which all need to be successful.
As far as our BoD not being able to run a management co. surely they will be thinking of selling up as soon as the UWE is completed?
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