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Jun 25, 2015 19:26:40 GMT
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Post by baggins on Jun 25, 2015 19:26:40 GMT
So, a mate (Swedish) were talking about the atrocity that happened in South Carolina. He's pro guns, very pro guns. I'm not. Today he put a NRA poster up on facebook that went along the lines of:
When a drunk kills a pedestrian, whe blame the driver.
When a bomb goes off, we blame the bomber.
When a shooting happens, we blame the gun.
Thoughts?
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Jun 25, 2015 20:45:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 20:45:22 GMT
So, a mate (Swedish) were talking about the atrocity that happened in South Carolina. He's pro guns, very pro guns. I'm not. Today he put a NRA poster up on facebook that went along the lines of: When a drunk kills a pedestrian, whe blame the driver. When a bomb goes off, we blame the bomber. When a shooting happens, we blame the gun. Thoughts? Bombers...the clue is in the name. We do blame the bomb. Cars primary design is not to kill so we would blame the driver since the driver would have been at fault. Nutters like him will never see the problem. You can never win an argument with a stupid person. |
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Post by inee on Jun 26, 2015 8:50:22 GMT
I'm all for firearms, love e'm used to own a rifle, The licencing laws in force before the ban on pistols were more than adequate , If you look into dunblane it become obvious that the firearm laws would have prevented it ,if they had been followed. Another interesting thing is that a hell of a lot of the pistols handed in or collected at that time ended back on he streets, that is not the pistols fault but the fault of human error, there are more pistols in circulation now than when pistols were legal, which shows when pistols were legal the laws and rules were more than adequate. Yes even if pistols were legal you would still have a few horrors committed like dunblane and hungerford. I'm not condoning the pre mentioned acts however more people have been shot by people who have illegal weapons. Both sides of the arguments have valid points but it should be up to the indiviual and authorities to decide if they are responsible to own a weapon, this country has a history lately of banning things for the good of everyone(cotton wool syndrome  ). I also feel that pistol should be legal but potential owners should pay for a course on safe handling taught by the army, a lot of people will disagree with me that is your right but i have strong views on gun ownership and won't be changing my mind any time soon  |
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Post by aghast on Jun 26, 2015 13:57:02 GMT
Privately-owned guns per 100 residents:
USA - 88
France - 31
Germany - 30
Italy - 12
UK - 6
Japan - 1
Deaths from shooting per 100,000 residents:
USA - 10
France - 3
Germany - 1
Italy - 1
UK - 0.2
Japan - 0.06
Let the people have the guns, and they will use them.
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Post by inee on Jun 26, 2015 14:18:07 GMT
Aghast quick question in those countries listed , how many are murder, how many self defence and how many are suicide as just posting numbers doesn't explain anything, if gun ownership was banned world wide the figures would be very similar just different weapons used, Nearly forgot in the figures for france how many of the deaths were caused by uk gun owners as opposed to french citizens, theres a reason for asking the last question as the figures for the uk will be slewed |
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Jun 26, 2015 19:46:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 19:46:55 GMT
88% of Americans own guns?
Jesus.
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Post by aghast on Jun 26, 2015 20:55:31 GMT
Aghast quick question in those countries listed , how many are murder, how many self defence and how many are suicide as just posting numbers doesn't explain anything, if gun ownership was banned world wide the figures would be very similar just different weapons used, Nearly forgot in the figures for france how many of the deaths were caused by uk gun owners as opposed to french citizens, theres a reason for asking the last question as the figures for the uk will be slewed I take your point inee. Short answer is I don't know - got the numbers from the Washington Post website. But in the recent case in South Carolina, the shooter was given a gun as a 21st birthday present!!! What kind of a culture is that? These people who rampage into schools in the US and slaughter everyone they can shoot aren't hardened criminals with access to illegal guns. They're very disturbed individuals who flip one day and use the gun lying in the bedside cabinet. Wrapped in pretty paper with a note from Mom saying "Enjoy your present. x x x". I realise this kind of crime is only a tiny percentage of total gun crime, but so what? Prevent that and dozens more innocent people will still be alive. I agree with you about Government control. Far too much interference in our private lives as they CCTV every step we take, monitor our phone calls, ban smoking, ban drinking outdoors in some places, but gun control is one area I have to disagree with you. These are deadly weapons, far too powerful for ordinary people to control and own, and banning the ownership of them in the UK is to me one of the best things a UK governnent ever did. |
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Post by inee on Jun 27, 2015 11:58:36 GMT
The reason i asked aghast, is when pistols were banned in the uk a lot of people moved their weapons to france which allowed them to go over on weekends and shoot, so there are a lot of uk owners but with weapons abroad,
Not sure who wrote the article you got the figures from, but those figures can be taken 2 ways dependant on which side of the fence they are on.
I've shot live weapons since i was about 11, wont go near one at present as i know with depression im not stable enough to even think about firing a weapon, as an aside my dad hated any form of firearm absolutely hated em, wouldn't even ask how the day went when i went shooting etc, so i was bought up in a house where even toy guns wern't allowed, but he did say to me you know my feelings on firearms ,just never forget the responsibility you have when a weapon is in your hands.
I've already said i firmly believe that we should have the right to bear arms in this country.
In the uk it has always been easier to buy weapons illegaly than it is to legally obtain a weapon.
I also think that there will be a majorly harsh time coming in the states soon as obama is trying to remove weapons. but they have the right to bear arms and i can forsee disarming them never happening, If you removed every legal and illegal in the us within a few months everyone would be rearmed, again there are more deaths in the states from illegal weapons than legal ones, if you cast your mind back there were daily reports of drive by shootings, now we seldom hear of them but they still happen daily, but you hear of other shooting going on, unfortunately whichever side of the fence you or i am on . these news reports are engineered to maximise the antigun message in the us, yes every death is tragic but why is one type of shooting more newsworthy than another, the simple answer is it's propaganda for the president.
also realise i am not condoning any murder committed, but i will defend legal kills (and no i do not mean murder by cop etc)
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Jun 27, 2015 12:00:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 12:00:09 GMT
There should be no such thing as legal kills.
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