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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 19:00:31 GMT
And no problems with the non playing part of operations? Stadium aside, what are the problems with the non playing side of the club? Hello Nick. Welcome to gaschat. Strap in son, this might be a bumpy ride.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 19:07:40 GMT
Stadium aside, what are the problems with the non playing side of the club? Hello Nick. Welcome to gaschat. Strap in son, this might be a bumpy ride. Hehe you said strap-on..... Well it looks like it at a glance
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 19:12:11 GMT
Stadium aside, what are the problems with the non playing side of the club? No kids' shirts available for the fun day? No shirts available for Wembley? Bodin not being given any training kit until he signed? (Which didn't seen to me like something that would happen at other clubs) Santa's grotto? The club bar? Having no official representation for that Sky segment the other day? Constant PR c*ck-ups? Still no sign of the promised club-wide review? You can take your f*cking pick really tbh. And that's just the last few months.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 19:12:50 GMT
C'mon guys - it's obviously a WUM, trying to get some mileage out of his mate's Tweet! ![:fishing:](http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/character/character0053.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 19:16:40 GMT
C'mon guys - it's obviously a WUM, trying to get some mileage out of his mate's Tweet! ![:fishing:](http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/character/character0053.gif) Probably.
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Post by Mark Ash on Aug 5, 2015 19:24:28 GMT
If providing his managers with a competitive budget every season is a mistake, then I suppose Nick Higgs has made plenty. Is it Nicks fault that the playing side has struggled the last few years? His mistake was giving it to the wrong people to p**s away. Our turnover was £4.3m a couple of years ago and we were known as one of the highest payers. We didn't need to be losing £500k-£1m every year and threatening the future of the club. Now we have to underspend, and will still be losing a bucket load thanks to mismanagement. Thank god for Darrell Clarke who is showing them a different way of doing things. The interest on the Wonga loan alone would be enough for 3-4 extra players, which could very well be the difference between 10th and 3rd. If DC hadn't dragged us back into the football league, we would be in utter meltdown right now. The board may have their heart in the right place, but they are stubborn, out of date and short sighted. At some point, they have to be held accountable for that. How many more £m do they have to spunk away before you deem them acceptable for critisism? It's OUR money they are throwing away. If they want to write off their loans, then by all means they can spend what they like in legal fees. When we moved to the Mem 20 years ago, we were in league one. Now we have debts approaching £10m, narrowly averting long term disaster in the non league, and have a ground which has had nothing done to it (apart from that paid for by the fans) apart from a tent behind the goal. This does sound quite a compelling case.
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Post by britishgas on Aug 5, 2015 19:30:51 GMT
Don't see anything wrong with the article besides the fact that a proper newspaper would find something better to cover.
Anyway, I agree with the sentiment behind the original tweet. Our board is a f*cking embarrassment, and DC will only be able to plaster the cracks in BRFC for so long.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 19:49:31 GMT
Don't see anything wrong with the article besides the fact that a proper newspaper would find something better to cover. Anyway, I agree with the sentiment behind the original tweet. Our board is a f*cking embarrassment, and DC will only be able to plaster the cracks in BRFC for so long. Heh heh. You said cracks. Talking of which, I got plaster in my eye on Saturday. Quite a lot of it and I have really hurt my eye. The lyme in plaster is actually worse than getting acid in your eye. I managed to get a nasty chemical burn over 100% of my cornea as well as scratching. Spent 2 hours in A&E getting my eye flushed. I have been told I will recover fully in about a week. It took until yesterday before I could open my eye properly and its still sore now. My vision hasn't properly recovered yet. I had no idea how caustic and dangerous plaster is. Stay safe out there kids.
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Post by phillistine on Aug 5, 2015 19:55:35 GMT
When we moved to the Mem 20 years ago, we were in league one. Now we have debts approaching £10m, narrowly averting long term disaster in the non league, and have a ground which has had nothing done to it (apart from that paid for by the fans) apart from a tent behind the goal. I cant disagree with much of what you say but to suggest that the grounds has had no money spent on it in the last 20 years is not true I inspected the ground in a professional capacity before we played our first fixture and it was a horror story. You think things are bad now but it was scary. The Rugby club had taken amateurism to a new level and it was frightening to think that large crowds had been using the Mem to watch rugby. The Football League allocated some very large grants and old timber buildings were ripped down and replaced over the course of the first 3 years The place was a series of fire traps. The catering was done on about 18 old domestic ovens which they had purchased second hand and were lined up against various walls and were run off temporary extension leads. They had no microwaves. All the catering facilities were ripped out and replaced. The regulations insisted on close circuit tv at the stadium and it did exist but it was left stacked in boxes in an unsecured room because no-one had bothered to even open the boxes and think about getting it installed. The list went on. The Rugby Club resented Rovers moving in but the reality was that the ground was transformed in the first 2 or 3 years and serious money was spent by Rovers making it a safe place to watch sport. I agree that it is a ground that it now needs further investment but that is not going to happen whilst they look for a new stadium.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 20:12:22 GMT
I wonder if the speakers in the Blackthorn end work yet? There's a safety issue right there. Been faulty for years.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 5, 2015 20:23:16 GMT
When we moved to the Mem 20 years ago, we were in league one. Now we have debts approaching £10m, narrowly averting long term disaster in the non league, and have a ground which has had nothing done to it (apart from that paid for by the fans) apart from a tent behind the goal. I cant disagree with much of what you say but to suggest that the grounds has had no money spent on it in the last 20 years is not true I inspected the ground in a professional capacity before we played our first fixture and it was a horror story. You think things are bad now but it was scary. The Rugby club had taken amateurism to a new level and it was frightening to think that large crowds had been using the Mem to watch rugby. The Football League allocated some very large grants and old timber buildings were ripped down and replaced over the course of the first 3 years The place was a series of fire traps. The catering was done on about 18 old domestic ovens which they had purchased second hand and were lined up against various walls and were run off temporary extension leads. They had no microwaves. All the catering facilities were ripped out and replaced. The regulations insisted on close circuit tv at the stadium and it did exist but it was left stacked in boxes in an unsecured room because no-one had bothered to even open the boxes and think about getting it installed. The list went on. The Rugby Club resented Rovers moving in but the reality was that the ground was transformed in the first 2 or 3 years and serious money was spent by Rovers making it a safe place to watch sport. I agree that it is a ground that it now needs further investment but that is not going to happen whilst they look for a new stadium. Great so the club spent a few thousand 20 years ago to meet H&S rules we now have to accept the Mem's not that bad? Whilst I accept big money is not going to spent on the Mem bearing in mind our turnover is around £3.5m a year is it too much to expect say 1% of that is spent on paint etc? As far as Heinz pro NH stance where does he see NH taking us if the Court of Appeal finds in favour of Sainsbury's?
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Post by britishgas on Aug 5, 2015 20:28:57 GMT
Bringing the Mem up to standard happend a decade before NH took charge. It's a struggle to think of anything that's actually been done properly since he became chairman.
His heart's in the right place (although I'd have been intrigued to see who got the UWE construction contract considering his background), but chasing his stadium dream might well have killed the club.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 5, 2015 20:50:27 GMT
I think Billingham's were originally lined up, although NH clearly cut his links with Cowlins so there seems no obvious reason they'd get the contract, or even want it.
I agree if we lose the Appeal there's no obvious way out of the financial mess we will be left in, it seems now tha NH should have negotiated a pre-trial settlement with Sainsbury's, as taking them on could have destroyed the club.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 20:56:37 GMT
I think Billingham's were originally lined up, although NH clearly cut his links with Cowlins so there seems no obvious reason they'd get the contract, or even want it. I agree if we lose the Appeal there's no obvious way out of the financial mess we will be left in, it seems now tha NH should have negotiated a pre-trial settlement with Sainsbury's, as taking them on could have destroyed the club. No no, we are not in any difficulty off the pitch, right Snoop Dogg?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 21:04:32 GMT
Bringing the Mem up to standard happend a decade before NH took charge. It's a struggle to think of anything that's actually been done properly since he became chairman. His heart's in the right place (although I'd have been intrigued to see who got the UWE construction contract considering his background), but chasing his stadium dream might well have killed the club. Grotto? Young Pirates ISO container? Portaloos behind the terrace? A new tractor pen. Sold half of the car park for housing?(was that beforehand)? Some good stuff.
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Post by aghast on Aug 5, 2015 21:18:48 GMT
If NH had been taken on as a CEO, I imagine he would have been given 3 main basic objectives:
1) Keep us in League 1 2) Improve the stadium over time 3) Keep the club solvent
As things progressed, the new CEO would surely have been asked to:
4) Formulate a plan to get us into the Championship 5) Develop plans for a new stadium 6) Make the club profitable through retail, sponsorship, gate receipts, and outside investment.
Since we're currently standing at
1) Fail 2) Fail 3) Fail 4) Fail 5) Fail 6) Fail
- then NH CEO would have been sacked by now.
He has of course loaned us his millions. Up to the point where he he decided to approach Wonga because presumably he was getting worried about his personal stake.
It seems to me that NH has the best intentions but not the best managerial talent when it comes to running a football club. He's got lots of money but that means nothing if it all gets p*ssed away year after year.
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Post by LJG on Aug 5, 2015 21:27:07 GMT
Stadium aside, what are the problems with the non playing side of the club? No kids' shirts available for the fun day? No shirts available for Wembley? Bodin not being given any training kit until he signed? (Which didn't seem to me like something that would happen at other clubs) Santa's grotto? The club bar? Having no official representation for that Sky segment the other day? Constant PR c*ck-ups? Still no sign of the promised club-wide review? You can take your f*cking pick really tbh. What are you talking about? This club is run in a professional and businesslike manner. And anyway if it's not it's Higgs's to do with what he wants ... and he wants it to be incredible ... which is why it is.
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Post by Bill Bones on Aug 5, 2015 22:29:05 GMT
No kids' shirts available for the fun day? No shirts available for Wembley? Bodin not being given any training kit until he signed? (Which didn't seem to me like something that would happen at other clubs) Santa's grotto? The club bar? Having no official representation for that Sky segment the other day? Constant PR c*ck-ups? Still no sign of the promised club-wide review? You can take your f*cking pick really tbh. What are you talking about? This club is run in a professional and businesslike manner. And anyway if it's not it's Higgs's to do with what he wants ... and he wants it to be incredible ... which is why it is. Well, our Nicky Hicks has always dared to dream. A man; a myth; a legend. A truly inspirational underdog story.
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Post by britishgas on Aug 5, 2015 23:02:05 GMT
Another point that irks me when talking about Higgs et al:
I don't like the argument that he took us up so its all forgiven. We went up despite Higgs, not because of him. He's still the same s*** chairman he was when we went down, the same one who didn't budget for relegation when it was a clear threat, when many of us knew deep down that if we didn't go to the conference that year, it'd be 14/15 instead. The fact that Pitman bottled his pen shouldn't change the fact that he is, was, and always will be fundamentally unsuited to running a football club.
I like his passion, but he's failed on literally every single count. The amount of basic mistakes that have been made under him is staggering, it really is. I can only assume that he's so determined to leave a legacy (in the form of the UWE), he's completely taken his eye off the present.
The only saving grace he has is that he stumbled across the kind of manager who comes around once a generation for a club like Rovers, and he'll be off when he realises that he can't take this club to League 1 with a transfer budget made up of whatever Toni Watola can raise by standing outside Temple Meads with a **** collection bucket.
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Post by Centenary Gas on Aug 6, 2015 0:15:13 GMT
I like his passion, but he's failed on literally every single count. The amount of basic mistakes that have been made under him is staggering, it really is. I can only assume that he's so determined to leave a legacy (in the form of the UWE), he's completely taken his eye off the present. That is the problem. I don't have any grudge against NH or the rest of the board, I'm just sick of continuous poor performance in every year, especially now it's threatening the clubs future. At the fans-board Q&A last summer, he looked very defensive and completely fed up of the critisism. It must be hard, but accepting your limitations, admitting your mistakes and offering out a hand is the way forward. It's the only way forward if we are to get anywhere under the current ownership. Unfortunately, many people cannot do this and cannot see past themselves. Bradshaw tried it with the retail panel, but from what I read about it he couldn't accept what others put forward, and now one of the rejected ideas is on ebay and making £. It is so frustrating because even on these forums, people have some great ideas, and if that fails just go and research those clubs that have been successful in whatever area that they are trying to improve. Getting contact info from those going to Wembley (30,000 customers all in one place), quickfire season ticket promotion straight after shouted from the rooftops and riding the wave. Maybe even kids kits at the fun day and club house beer that tastes good. I await the answer to what will happen to pay off the Wonga loan if (/when) the appeal fails. I don't see what solution there is. And if there isn't one, the board have made the biggest **** up of them all, and they need to try their hardest to let someone else take over.
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