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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 7:25:37 GMT
The lefties don't do debate. They just rant and rave and spout unbelievable nonsense. Socialism is Kindergarten politics, but it is dangerous.
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Post by inee on Aug 29, 2015 10:59:03 GMT
Thankfully guys I don't spend my life checking this forum, and why should I bother, you all have your minds made up already. Sorry for presuming what you read Nobby, just figured you wheren't in the real world. They did release the figures today or yesta of the 2,500 people who died after being declared fit for work, just saying. Anyway, my foray away from Gas Talk better end now, it's like an echo chamber around here. Best Wishes and Up The Gas. Everybody has differing opinions on stuff, that's why i use this site, i wont look at the 2,500 figures and believe it, it's in reality either more or less. It's something dear to my heart, however the government alone is not to blame, i've posted many times on stuff like this, people need to keep an eye on vulnerable family members. Thing is though whoever wins the next election will not change the system back, it will be oh blame the tories,blame the tories, and if repeated enough people soon forget that a new government have kept it as it is |
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Post by aghast on Aug 29, 2015 21:34:21 GMT
The Tories don't give a f*ck about you inee. You're just a nasty obstacle in their way to privatise everything and make a profit from everything. The many people who genuinely want and need support from the state should not be dissing Labour, or the Lib Dems. They will do their best to look after those in need. The Tories will will, as ever, be making sure they do the minimum possible to keep within the law. And then they'll change those laws to make them even worse.
Sorry Nobby. That might have been debate. I know we don't really like it.
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Post by pirateman on Aug 29, 2015 22:12:36 GMT
Unfortunately no matter what any politician of any major party thinks or cares about when they first get elected they all (or most) end up caring more about their careers.
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Post by inee on Aug 30, 2015 12:24:55 GMT
The Tories don't give a f*ck about you inee. You're just a nasty obstacle in their way to privatise everything and make a profit from everything. The many people who genuinely want and need support from the state should not be dissing Labour, or the Lib Dems . They will do their best to look after those in need. The Tories will will, as ever, be making sure they do the minimum possible to keep within the law. And then they'll change those laws to make them even worse. Sorry Nobby. That might have been debate. I know we don't really like it. I'm under no illusion about the tories fella, tis the cycle of uk politics, tories make changes to stabilise the economy sometimes (ie now) going too far, labour take over and screw the country up, lets not forget labour bought in more laws than any other government in this country bLAIR bought in more than anyone else. in response to the bit in bold, can't agree with that at all, no labour government in recent history have reversed any of the tory cuts, which kind of negates the bit about those in need, someone posted a list of what labour was going to do if they won the last election. I am one of those in need of help and support as im currently unemployable, having worked previously for 27 years, we don't get much but we survive just, don't get out much, cant afford luxuries(by that i mean biscuits, chocolate, crisps pub etc). the bills get paid we have enough for food, so im very grateful for what i get. Lets face the reality i get benefits there's enough to survive on, i can't get my head around people who think that on benefits they should have enough to go out on the pish, buy the latest stuff etc, buy expensive food and then complain when the money runs out. In the main it was stuff the tories were already doing, so in reality labour as it stands is just a copycat tory party , some of us have very long memories and wont forgive or forget rubbish piled on streets, electric randomly switching off etc  As for the lib dems a joke party since it formed, years back they wanted to ban angling, so never trusted em since, and after willingham, i wouldn't put any of em out if i was on fire. Lets be fair how can anyone take labour seriously with the vile creacure in tempory charge, the mind boggles |
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Post by supergas on Aug 31, 2015 0:27:30 GMT
I'm under no illusion about the tories fella, tis the cycle of uk politics, tories make changes to stabilise the economy sometimes (ie now) going too far, labour take over and screw the country up, lets not forget labour bought in more laws than any other government in this country bLAIR bought in more than anyone else... ...no labour government in recent history have reversed any of the tory cuts, which kind of negates the bit about those in need, someone posted a list of what labour was going to do if they won the last election. I agree with this viewpoint completely, and if fact would extrapolate further. If (somehow) Brown had won the 2010 election (or even formed a coalition) I assume we'd now be worse off than Greece. In many ways (and via financial markets) Britain is not judged by it's current economic climate...if it was, no matter who won in 2010 we'd have ended up like Greece, because in 2009 in a desperate attempt to win votes Brown and Darling somehow managed to double the deficit in a single year! But as inee suggests, natural order has been resumed and the economy is slowly but surely being stabilised by the Tories. |
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Post by supergas on Sept 30, 2015 22:42:45 GMT
Anyone want to suggest that (after their Conference) Labour are fit for Government?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 5:48:48 GMT
Anyone want to suggest that (after their Conference) Labour are fit for Government? Corbyn just isn't fit to lead the country. That much is pretty obvious. His economic policies are just batshit crazy. I do wonder how people who appear to be quite normal and intellectual have fallen for this nonsense. |
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Post by supergas on Oct 1, 2015 11:57:16 GMT
Anyone want to suggest that (after their Conference) Labour are fit for Government? Corbyn just isn't fit to lead the country. That much is pretty obvious. His economic policies are just batshit crazy. I do wonder how people who appear to be quite normal and intellectual have fallen for this nonsense. If he could do up a tie and get to an interview on time (rather than go to breakfast late) he'd have more of a chance. order-order.com/2015/09/30/jeremy-snore-byn/#:x4_NiTCkuTvhtA |
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Post by inee on Oct 1, 2015 15:01:30 GMT
he seems to have support hell of a lot of yung uns (20's) , One thing i picked up on was he said he would never press the button, so will probably pick up a whole new bunch of voters. Lots of old biddies who were at greenham common in the 80's, and other such odd people. I can also imagine cnd asking it's supporters to vote labour on the back of those idiotic words, nukes have kept things from escalating in the past and present, but once we get rid as the donkey wants ,the threat of nuclear war becomes more likely. Protect and survive if he gets in more likely roll over and die. Can some one please send me several complete sealed noddy suits, a couple of s10's with filters, dusting powder, some atropine injections, oh and a whole box of oatmeal blocks, think me n wend might need em |
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Post by supergas on Oct 2, 2015 8:46:21 GMT
he seems to have support hell of a lot of yung uns (20's) , One thing i picked up on was he said he would never press the button, so will probably pick up a whole new bunch of voters. Lots of old biddies who were at greenham common in the 80's, and other such odd people. I can also imagine cnd asking it's supporters to vote labour on the back of those idiotic words, nukes have kept things from escalating in the past and present, but once we get rid as the donkey wants ,the threat of nuclear war becomes more likely. Protect and survive if he gets in more likely roll over and die. Can some one please send me several complete sealed noddy suits, a couple of s10's with filters, dusting powder, some atropine injections, oh and a whole box of oatmeal blocks, think me n wend might need em The really stupid thing that he's not realised (because he's not fit for power) is that you can quite happily hold that viewpoint (and I assume many Prime Ministers in the past have held the same view). But if you tell everyone else that you won't use it then you lose the defence that the deterrent gives you. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 11:45:49 GMT
Aye, he didn't really think that response through did he. It appears that his latest stance is to keep Trident (after being slapped by the Unions over it) but announce that he'd never use it.
He changes his position/policy every day more often than your average porn film !
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Post by axegas on Oct 2, 2015 14:57:04 GMT
The Tories don't give a f*ck about you inee. You're just a nasty obstacle in their way to privatise everything and make a profit from everything. The many people who genuinely want and need support from the state should not be dissing Labour, or the Lib Dems. They will do their best to look after those in need. The Tories will will, as ever, be making sure they do the minimum possible to keep within the law. And then they'll change those laws to make them even worse. Sorry Nobby. That might have been debate. I know we don't really like it. I'm no fan of the tories but some of the stuff said about them is nasty and plain unreasonable at times, sure they don't listen to us as much as we would want to but nor are they driving this country of a cliff either, They also haven't privatised anything for years so I don't know where you get that from? |
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Post by supergas on Oct 5, 2015 0:40:44 GMT
The Tories don't give a f*ck about you inee. You're just a nasty obstacle in their way to privatise everything and make a profit from everything. The many people who genuinely want and need support from the state should not be dissing Labour, or the Lib Dems. They will do their best to look after those in need. The Tories will will, as ever, be making sure they do the minimum possible to keep within the law. And then they'll change those laws to make them even worse. Sorry Nobby. That might have been debate. I know we don't really like it. I'm no fan of the tories but some of the stuff said about them is nasty and plain unreasonable at times, sure they don't listen to us as much as we would want to but nor are they driving this country of a cliff either, They also haven't privatised anything for years so I don't know where you get that from? I know exactly where those ideas come from (they won't be popular and they're also not a dig at aghast's post...) Politics are changing, and the system is still stuck in the mid-20th century. The system worked well as we were in an age of slow-news....not 4/5 year cycles admittedly, but if the voters thought the country was spending too much then the Tories would win the next election, if individuals felt they were worse off then Labour would win the next election. It's got more complicated since 1992, but it's worth noting that the only elections Labour has won since 1974 was when they pretended (both pre and post election) to be Conservatives, and when they (eventually) had an un-elected leader who was 'more' Labour than the previous one he lost... ....don't get me wrong, I think the Tories look after those in need....I just think they're making sure those in need don't get more from the system than those who actually put the work back into it...and I think the majority of the voters have seen this since at least 2010 (and probably since well before then...) |
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Post by inee on Oct 6, 2015 9:49:10 GMT
he seems to have support hell of a lot of yung uns (20's) , One thing i picked up on was he said he would never press the button, so will probably pick up a whole new bunch of voters. Lots of old biddies who were at greenham common in the 80's, and other such odd people. I can also imagine cnd asking it's supporters to vote labour on the back of those idiotic words, nukes have kept things from escalating in the past and present, but once we get rid as the donkey wants ,the threat of nuclear war becomes more likely. Protect and survive if he gets in more likely roll over and die. Can some one please send me several complete sealed noddy suits, a couple of s10's with filters, dusting powder, some atropine injections, oh and a whole box of oatmeal blocks, think me n wend might need em The really stupid thing that he's not realised (because he's not fit for power) is that you can quite happily hold that viewpoint (and I assume many Prime Ministers in the past have held the same view). But if you tell everyone else that you won't use it then you lose the defence that the deterrent gives you. Sorry fella i though Protect and survive would have meant deterrent but reading your reply i suddenly thought sh** not everyone would remember the protect and survive campaign  .
But yeah personally i dont think a lot of people grasp the enormity(kin hell a big word you aint getting another one for free ) of the situation he has created, if the balloon goes up i can see the yanks keeping well away from us as we could be turned to glass and ashes at any time. It's hard even to put it into an understandable context for those who dont get it, it's almost like owning a jewellers and training the dogs to not attack intruders leaving a sign in the window at night saying we have alarms and guard dogs, but alarm and dogs wont be used in a burglary as we trust people not to come through our unlocked shop and destroy our buisness.If he wants a button pusher i will do the job for him 
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 6, 2015 11:57:23 GMT
Nuclear disarmament is a wonderful thing.
But only if everyone does it.
Which they won't.
So it's lunacy by Red Jez.
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Post by inee on Oct 9, 2015 15:45:43 GMT
Sorry haven't replied fer a bit swede addled, Just thinking back to the protect and survive( if your too young to remember google it).
Back then it seemed very likely that it was coming ,thankfully it didn't. so even with deterrents it can get close, so if corbyn ever gets in you have a very stark choice,try muling it over in your head, the choice is this you try and survive as directed in the protect and survive documents that were delivered to every house in the country, or you die.
My choice then as now would be to watch the big shiney mushroom and die as no matter how you prepare it will be unlikely people will survive for long anyway.
So think long and hard, try and survive, or effectively die alongside your family, that is the stark reality of life under corbyn hope im wrong but it's a very real scenario.
he also seemed to side with isis in blame laying forgetting his fookin party started it(not historically but fanned the flames of the latest troubles). the hypocrisy of labour is stunning, that vile woman who he replaced originally sided with bLIAR ,now sides with corbyn and when challenged, simply says oh im showing solidarity with the leader.
Ive also said isis could be destroyed by a military campaign, but oh no not us as they are in simplistic terms fighting on the side we want in syria (im using we collectively meaning those in charge).
Enter the russians although they are fighting on the side of assad, they launched successful strikes against isis, and what do we do moan, we either want it done and dusted or we want it as is.
So how will that fit in with corbyn as how will he view his red friends in russia
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Post by aghast on Oct 10, 2015 20:36:01 GMT
The idea of our independent nuclear deterrent is now over. Gone are the days when the evil Russkies were the enemy, who could only be stopped from pressing the button by the realisation that they too would be nuked.
Now that Pakistan and North Korea (basket cases), and Israel (willing to resort to any sort of revenge if provoked), have nukes, the idea of Mutually Assured Destruction has gone.
So I certainly the question the worth of our deterrent, especially as the Americans have the capability to veto our use of it unless it suits them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2015 8:50:12 GMT
"especially as the Americans have the capability to veto our use of it unless it suits them." - That is a myth.
With Russia looking to expand their empire again (Ukraine, Syria) do you think it wise to discount the threat from them?
Surely, if the basket cases (Pakistan, North Korea etc) have nukes then that is even more reason to keep them? Do we wish to be held to ransom every time these tinpot countries demand something?
11 billion per year for Overseas Aid. 2 billion per year for an independent nuclear deterrent (which also keeps thousands of highly skilled jobs). I'm not an economist, but I know where I can see some value.
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Post by supergas on Oct 13, 2015 19:53:12 GMT
"especially as the Americans have the capability to veto our use of it unless it suits them." - That is a myth. With Russia looking to expand their empire again (Ukraine, Syria) do you think it wise to discount the threat from them? Surely, if the basket cases (Pakistan, North Korea etc) have nukes then that is even more reason to keep them? Do we wish to be held to ransom every time these tinpot countries demand something? 11 billion per year for Overseas Aid. 2 billion per year for an independent nuclear deterrent (which also keeps thousands of highly skilled jobs). I'm not an economist, but I know where I can see some value. I go back to my original point....as Corbyn has said in public he will never use it, he's therefore not fit for office. Cameron, Brown, Blair, Major, Thatcher....who knows if they would have ever pressed the button (or will have to)? They understood the responsibility. Corbyn thinks this is a game of 'Risk' that can be won by rolling a dice and then hoping everyone else is playing by the same rules... |
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