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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 25, 2015 14:23:35 GMT
Thanks for all of positive reactions to my lengthy posts. I do have too much time on my hands atm, I've finished uni, but don't start work for a couple of weeks yet. Probably need to change my forum name, or take up unicycling.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 14:24:57 GMT
"If the reported investors are prepared to use their own money to build UWE".... You said it yourself - "If". How do you know that they wont take control and then sell the Mem without investing money in the club? This almost happened at Bath a few years ago when a Consortium tried to acquire the club with the intention of moving them out of the city and then cashing in on prime building land in the city of Bath. They were stopped because the club was run by true fans who basically kicked the idea into touch. I am not sure why people think the Consortium want to invest in us. Foreigners invest in Premier League clubs as an ego trip but we are talking about UK investors who dont seem to be fans with an emotional attachment to the club . It can only be because they want financial return - something which no-one else has succesfully done. If indeed they have spoken to NH it would be interesting to know what the proposition was. Nick Higgs may have made mistakes but he was a Bristol Rovers fan before he was a Director and I believe that counts for a lot. I agree. Most of what has been said so far is pure conjecture. Personally I want to hear an open and honest discussion from the current board and the rumoured consortium before I fully take sides with fans made aware of their plans to take us forward. I realize that's about as likely as Baggins doing a days work but we live in hope. If you think that either the boasrd or the consortium will go public with the details of their ongoing discussions then you really need to see a shrink,it has never happened before anywhere and sure as hell wont happen here |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 14:28:56 GMT
You can hardly say NH has turned down bids for Leads though, which is surely what BR was suggesting? Well no, but I was simply stating he's worth some money. And if he stays here long enough, it won't be long before we are fending off bids IMO. Just because he has had a couple of decent games does not make him a valuable asset.He is an unproven player at this moment in time,if he returns to the side and continues in the same vein he might be worth a few thousand,but and this is a big but,he will need to improve the defensive side of his game before any club will consider him worthy of a fee |
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Post by Dr Gas on Sept 25, 2015 15:02:35 GMT
What if he's come back with a better offer padstow? Do you think NH would still not entertain it because of the history? Precisely and because he has less money than NH Whilst I have no idea of any individual peeps who form the reputed consortium, it is that which is being reported within this thread, not an individual. So the monetary status of an individual would not be relevant. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 25, 2015 15:05:29 GMT
I agree. Most of what has been said so far is pure conjecture. Personally I want to hear an open and honest discussion from the current board and the rumoured consortium before I fully take sides with fans made aware of their plans to take us forward. I realize that's about as likely as Baggins doing a days work but we live in hope. If you think that either the boasrd or the consortium will go public with the details of their ongoing discussions then you really need to see a shrink,it has never happened before anywhere and sure as hell wont happen here By going public l mean nothing more than "yes we exist" And "here is a rough idea what plan B/C is" I'm not interested in the ins and outs and nor do I expect fans to be told but I would be nice to put this thread to bed. |
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Post by phillistine on Sept 25, 2015 15:16:28 GMT
Every single business out there. If you ran a business then you know that you had assets on the books. If you sell the business then you sell the assets of the company and it is goodwill that determines the trading value. I dont think that this is any different It's completely different because the sort of goodwill you have taking on a tradition local football club that has obligations in the community, and a captive fan base, is completely different to the sort of goodwill you need to take into account when buying a carpet factory. We are talking about Goodwill which forms part of the value of a company ( or football club for that matter) not goodwill such as you outline. The value of the goodwill in the Rovers sale would be the monetary value because of the Bristol Rovers name . It would include replica kits , tv rights , season ticket sales plus sponsorship income etc. that are almost certainly going to come in over a 12 month period. It is the same as a normal business which has regular customers who will buy goods over the next 2 months and a purchaser would have to pay for the fact that they are using the vendors good name to generate future income. I do accept the single major difference is that goodwill would have to include the players transfer values which would not appear on the balance sheet but may have a value. Normal businesses dont have such things |
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Post by RD on Sept 25, 2015 15:24:08 GMT
Just because he has had a couple of decent games does not make him a valuable asset.He is an unproven player at this moment in time,if he returns to the side and continues in the same vein he might be worth a few thousand,but and this is a big but,he will need to improve the defensive side of his game before any club will consider him worthy of a fee Respectfully, I disagree. I've personally seen potential in him for a while - his recent performances has simply confirmed that fact to me personally. Others will of course disagree. I can see him him going for a minimum of 5 figures (quite possibly 6) if he continues to improve over the next couple of years, like I feel he will. Glen Johnson has racked up several million pounds of worth of transfer fees and has played at the highest level, including representing his country and he can't defend. (Semi-tongue in cheek, but you get my point) |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 25, 2015 15:29:35 GMT
It's completely different because the sort of goodwill you have taking on a tradition local football club that has obligations in the community, and a captive fan base, is completely different to the sort of goodwill you need to take into account when buying a carpet factory. We are talking about Goodwill which forms part of the value of a company ( or football club for that matter) not goodwill such as you outline. The value of the goodwill in the Rovers sale would be the monetary value because of the Bristol Rovers name . It would include replica kits , tv rights , season ticket sales plus sponsorship income etc. that are almost certainly going to come in over a 12 month period. It is the same as a normal business which has regular customers who will buy goods over the next 2 months and a purchaser would have to pay for the fact that they are using the vendors good name to generate future income. I do accept the single major difference is that goodwill would have to include the players transfer values which would not appear on the balance sheet but may have a value. Normal businesses dont have such things No, it's all goodwill. I'm not talking about transfer values (which imo would be next to nothing in any case). I'm talking about having 5,000 captive customers who won't go anywhere else no matter how badly we perform and how flawed the product is. That's not the same as a normal business. |
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Post by dragonfly on Sept 25, 2015 15:40:05 GMT
Would a Plan D involve Lansdorf purchasing the Mem for Bristol Rugby at an inflated price to help out the Club he once supported?
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Post by axegas on Sept 25, 2015 15:44:57 GMT
Would a Plan D involve Lansdorf purchasing the Mem for Bristol Rugby at an inflated price to help out the Club he once supported? Why would he want Bristol rugby to play at the mem when they already have been moved to Ashton gate? And how is this a plan on Bristol rovers part, lansdown doesn't give a damn about us. |
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Post by gasincider on Sept 25, 2015 17:04:30 GMT
We are talking about Goodwill which forms part of the value of a company ( or football club for that matter) not goodwill such as you outline. The value of the goodwill in the Rovers sale would be the monetary value because of the Bristol Rovers name . It would include replica kits , tv rights , season ticket sales plus sponsorship income etc. that are almost certainly going to come in over a 12 month period. It is the same as a normal business which has regular customers who will buy goods over the next 2 months and a purchaser would have to pay for the fact that they are using the vendors good name to generate future income. I do accept the single major difference is that goodwill would have to include the players transfer values which would not appear on the balance sheet but may have a value. Normal businesses dont have such things No, it's all goodwill. I'm not talking about transfer values (which imo would be next to nothing in any case). I'm talking about having 5,000 captive customers who won't go anywhere else no matter how badly we perform and how flawed the product is. That's not the same as a normal business. Whilst not getting involved in what is or isn't goodwill, the point is that it is all included in the clubs annual accounts, and whichever way you look at them, we still lose a bloody fortune due in large measure to poor management and non existent marketing. So I would guess coz I don't really know, that the true value of our club is the value of the Mem. If there is any left that is, dependent on total disclosure of the debt situation.(due diligence) |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 25, 2015 17:15:08 GMT
No, it's all goodwill. I'm not talking about transfer values (which imo would be next to nothing in any case). I'm talking about having 5,000 captive customers who won't go anywhere else no matter how badly we perform and how flawed the product is. That's not the same as a normal business. Whilst not getting involved in what is or isn't goodwill, the point is that it is all included in the clubs annual accounts, and whichever way you look at them, we still lose a bloody fortune due in large measure to poor management and non existent marketing. So I would guess coz I don't really know, that the true value of our club is the value of the Mem. If there is any left that is, dependent on total disclosure of the debt situation.(due diligence) And my point is that it isn't really, because anyone buying the club would (we all hope) want to run the club as an going concern. The value of the Mem is only really interesting to someone who wants to sell it. Obviously this is confused by the idea of selling the Mem and building a new stadium, etc, atm. But still you'd need to get a new stadium somehow, so effectively, it would be worth the price of the old ground minus the cost of the new. The only time you'd be interested in the value of the ground alone is if your business plan was to sell the ground, and then rent someone else's ground. And, I would suggest any Gashead should be extremely wary of a plan that goes anywhere near that. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 25, 2015 17:24:06 GMT
Just because he has had a couple of decent games does not make him a valuable asset.He is an unproven player at this moment in time,if he returns to the side and continues in the same vein he might be worth a few thousand,but and this is a big but,he will need to improve the defensive side of his game before any club will consider him worthy of a fee Respectfully, I disagree. I've personally seen potential in him for a while - his recent performances has simply confirmed that fact to me personally. Others will of course disagree. I can see him him going for a minimum of 5 figures (quite possibly 6) if he continues to improve over the next couple of years, like I feel he will. Glen Johnson has racked up several million pounds of worth of transfer fees and has played at the highest level, including representing his country and he can't defend. (Semi-tongue in cheek, but you get my point) The issue raised was that NH was holding on to his best players and not selling them cheaply, whether DL will or will not have any transfer value later in the season is really irrelevant to this thread, as it's pretty clear NH hasn't had any offers for DL at present to consider. |
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Post by gaseous on Sept 25, 2015 21:56:47 GMT
Sh1t it seems like I've read this thread for weeks and weeks.
I personally hope that both JTS and gasinsider have top insider info and I, as a long suffering (as all of us) gashead hope there is strength to the rumours and we could be on the verge of something exciting. Imo they have done the correct thing but only time will tell.
We need something to happen as we are just stagnating as a club under the current Bod and with no hope of moving forward.
Look at Bournemouth for example, it can be done, let's hope and pray it will to us.UTG
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Post by gasincider on Sept 25, 2015 22:57:30 GMT
Rest assured I truly believe our time is coming.
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Post by newmarketgas on Sept 26, 2015 6:24:18 GMT
Rest assured I truly believe our time is coming. If I was this confident I would be telling all the 'NH is the devil' posters to keep it down, as he is sorting this out . Yes ? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 26, 2015 7:13:43 GMT
Rest assured I truly believe our time is coming. So is that an update progress is now being made or just a general observation? I've just come across this post on Northampton's forum, it seems a mirror image of what we're being promised, investment ? Given the latest developments this now looks a load of Cobblers, unless the consortium have changed clubs? "Just a quick reminder that over two months ago I was told by two sources (one at the club and one media) that the plans of the British Asian consortium (not Indians) were; repay the WHOLE loan immediately, finance a rebuild of the East Stand with 4000 seats and Executive boxes, double the South Stand and fill the corners in taking the capacity to 12,000, build the Hotel and Conference Centre on the East Stand, spoken to CW about his requirements for a new training ground, and a couple of smaller items. As I mentioned then it was a positive piece of information, NOW we are desperate for this to be true and be implemented!" |
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Post by yattongas on Sept 26, 2015 7:43:29 GMT
After 40 yrs and countless false promises I've come to the conclusion....
Good things don't happen to Rovers.
More pie in the sky I fear
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 8:14:30 GMT
Rest assured I truly believe our time is coming. If I was this confident I would be telling all the 'NH is the devil' posters to keep it down, as he is sorting this out . Yes ? Well apparently his co directors have left him to it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 8:14:53 GMT
Rest assured I truly believe our time is coming. If I was this confident I would be telling all the 'NH is the devil' posters to keep it down, as he is sorting this out . Yes ? Well apparently his co directors have left him to it. |
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