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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2015 19:56:08 GMT
So playing the odd game now and again for a poor Gilbraltar side is better than attempting to seal a regular place in a League 2 team. Sorry but for me it is Bristol rovers who pay his wages and i would want to play every game for my club. All about opinions. If he's good enough then there is no reason he can't do both. you hit the nail on the head i think,,,jason roberts played for grenada or something like that but rovers wernt going to release him because of it were they? if jake performs this season he will get offered a new deal if he dosnt hes out with or without the gibralter thing
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 2, 2015 20:47:19 GMT
Problem is if he plays well tomorrow he'd retain his place for next Saturday, however, if disappears next Saturday and Lines returns and plays a blinder he could find himself sat on the bench again for weeks. Somebody posted early on in the thread JG needs a decent run in the 1st team, if so, then he's not helping himself by disappearing every few weeks?
He's v. lucky to be playing league football this season, if does get released next summmer his chances of a league career maybe gone for ever.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Oct 3, 2015 5:55:36 GMT
Next week is the last round of Euro qualifiers so he will not miss any more until spring
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Post by stevek192 on Oct 3, 2015 6:44:45 GMT
My exact point Toppergas. Being a Gilbraltar International is not going to be a key factor in Rovers decision in fact much less than being a Welsh International!! Any other club will take into account that he may miss up to 6 games a season due to internationals and don't forget Exeter released him even though he was an International.
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Post by stapletongas on Oct 3, 2015 7:46:01 GMT
Ok maybe I can't let this go.
For me, this isn't just about Jake Gosling, I have keen interest in the development and coaching of young talent, something where our Country is some way behind our European competitors and we wonder why we fail to produce enough English talent to compete with the foreign imported players at the top end of the game. We wonder why England fails every time in international tournaments.
Attitudes are so wrong in this Country and some of what I'm reading here typifies the English attitude.
I've got two students who have joined my club this season, one French, the other Italian. It has been a feel eye opener. Their drive and thirst for improvement is fantastic, their technique, first touch and the way they work on and off the ball for possession is making my lads rise to it.
Comments about Jake Gosling getting nothing out of international experience just beggars belief. Even if he is just on the bench, being in that environment, feeling it, tasting it, seeing it, is all one big learning curve. He's only 22 and the chances are he will go on to feature many times and as he does so, will get more and more pitch time. That benefits him and his club reaps the rewards too.
Until attitudes change in this Country and we start looking at the bigger picture of player development, then we will continue to be dominated by so many nations we gave this game to.
Develope the player, develope the club.
I'm off out coaching.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 3, 2015 7:59:23 GMT
How do you know what he's doing whilst he's with Gibraltar, they clearly aren't the richest football FA, for all we know he could have 2nd rate coaches and train at 2nd rate training grounds, it could be the only time he gets any near near other nations international players is when he watches them from the bench or chasing them around for 90 mins. After he's not training with the likes of Ronaldo & Messi using their nations facilities & coaching staff. As SteveK says if it's so good for his career why did Exeter, who have one of the best youth set ups in Div 2 release him?
Interestingly Villa have told apparently told Hodgson this week that Jack Grealish isn't joining up with England as they feel it's better for him to remain training with Villa!!
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Post by nailseagashead on Oct 3, 2015 8:13:32 GMT
How do you know what he's doing whilst he's with Gibraltar, they clearly aren't the richest football FA, for all we know he could have 2nd rate coaches and train at 2nd rate training grounds, it could be the only time he gets any near near other nations international players is when he watches them from the bench or chasing them around for 90 mins. After he's not training with the likes of Ronaldo & Messi using their nations facilities & coaching staff. As SteveK says if it's so good for his career why did Exeter, who have one of the best youth set ups in Div 2 release him? Interestingly Villa have told apparently told Hodgson this week that Jack Grealish isn't joining up with England as they feel it's better for him to remain training with Villa!! Is Jack Grealish really going to start for England though, also look at his attitude he's been photographed out taking laughing gas and passed out on the floor maybe sherwood wants to keep an eye on him and keep him away from bad boy Raheem! He hasn't trained with the likes of Messi and Ronaldo no but he has played against the like of Thomas Muller Ozil SCHWEINSTEIGER gotze and LEWANDOWSKI who is probably the hottest striker in terms of form in the world right now. So he's been using their facilities in the away games at Poland and Germany etc. All a massive learning curve can't imagine too many league two players saying they've played against any of those players!
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 3, 2015 8:26:54 GMT
But does a Div 2 player gain anything from playing against international players? If they do why did Exeter release him?
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Post by nailseagashead on Oct 3, 2015 8:33:02 GMT
But does a Div 2 player gain anything from playing against international players? If they do why did Exeter release him? Surely you do? You here players talking about wanting to play against better opposition to better themselves all the time. If you had a taste of international football playing against the world champions you would want more. How do you get more? Well you need to show the right attitude in training and play well for your club to get noticed. I don't know why Exeter released him but managers/ clubs make mistakes with players, why did Fergie let Pogba go that guys worth £70M now, obviously not saying that about Gosling just making a point sometimes players get moved on despite the quality/ potential being there.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 3, 2015 8:38:10 GMT
If you were playing sh**ty 4th division football and YOUR COUNTRY came calling you'd turn it down?
Would you bollocks.
Every footballer wants to play at the highest level. It doesn't get higher than international caps.
Fair play to the lad, I'd drop Rovers in an instant to play an international in his shoes.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 3, 2015 8:58:35 GMT
Not sure TBH as is the thought of facing a 10-0 etc thrashing each match that much fun? It's not like he's playing for one of the home nations, plus is it really his "COUNTRY" or aside from football does he really consider himself English?
I suppose the acid test as to who's right will be next May, as if he gets release again by a league club it suggests it's done him little favours.
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Post by Dr Gas on Oct 3, 2015 8:59:33 GMT
How do you know what he's doing whilst he's with Gibraltar, they clearly aren't the richest football FA, for all we know he could have 2nd rate coaches and train at 2nd rate training grounds, it could be the only time he gets any near near other nations international players is when he watches them from the bench or chasing them around for 90 mins. After he's not training with the likes of Ronaldo & Messi using their nations facilities & coaching staff. As SteveK says if it's so good for his career why did Exeter, who have one of the best youth set ups in Div 2 release him? Interestingly Villa have told apparently told Hodgson this week that Jack Grealish isn't joining up with England as they feel it's better for him to remain training with Villa!! I think the point being made is that players will learn from every aspect of their international call ups. Sometimes what they learn may not keep their clubs happy, e.g. players (generally from smaller clubs) coming back with demands their clubs cannot meet, after discussing wages and conditions with international teammates. Most things they learn, though, would be of benefit to them and their clubs, as they seek to achieve their full potential and the benefits that will bring them, e.g. they would get to use top rate facilities, the likes of which they then aspire to play at regularly: They learn from the opposition, whereby they are able to see close up the technique of sometimes world class players, e.g. Germany in Gosling's case. Indeed, one of the reasons given for not reintroducing the Home Nations League is that it would be "too British" in the way it would be played so players would not learn as much as by playing against other countries. In the case of Grealish, he was held back as Sherwood feels he is behind other players (in fitness) due to missing a large part of pre season.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 3, 2015 9:06:55 GMT
JG is playing for Gibraltar not Germany, most of his team mates aren't even professional footballers so I doubt he's going to come back demanding he's paid as much as a butcher/plumber in Gibraltar??
Posters seem to think JG is going off training/socialising with Messi when he's training etc with the likes of FGR & Eastleigh players, then gets to chase the likes of Messi around a pitch for 90 mins.
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Post by nailseagashead on Oct 3, 2015 9:27:36 GMT
JG is playing for Gibraltar not Germany, most of his team mates aren't even professional footballers so I doubt he's going to come back demanding he's paid as much as a butcher/plumber in Gibraltar?? Posters seem to think JG is going off training/socialising with Messi when he's training etc with the likes of FGR & Eastleigh players, then gets to chase the likes of Messi around a pitch for 90 mins. [ Even so I'd rather be on a pitch playing against/chasing around ozil/muller etc than playing against Matt Harrold for instance. So if you had to play against these who would you learn more from?
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Post by Dr Gas on Oct 3, 2015 9:34:27 GMT
JG is playing for Gibraltar not Germany, most of his team mates aren't even professional footballers so I doubt he's going to come back demanding he's paid as much as a butcher/plumber in Gibraltar?? Posters seem to think JG is going off training/socialising with Messi when he's training etc with the likes of FGR & Eastleigh players, then gets to chase the likes of Messi around a pitch for 90 mins. Read what I wrote, not what you want it to be: I was generalising on things, I did not state that Jake would come back demanding the earth. Your attempt at sarcasm is totally underwhelming. If he was chasing Messi around the pitch for 90 minutes, he would not be able to get a closer view than that of the man's skills and tricks. Do you not think he would pick up some good tips to use himself and learn from that experience?
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Post by Gastafari on Oct 3, 2015 10:42:06 GMT
So playing the odd game now and again for a poor Gilbraltar side is better than attempting to seal a regular place in a League 2 team. Sorry but for me it is Bristol rovers who pay his wages and i would want to play every game for my club. All about opinions. If he's good enough then there is no reason he can't do both. Thats the thing, he is clearly good enough! He is head and shoulders above the whole Gilbraltar squad in terms of footballing ability, but he hardly gets a kick for what can only be discribed as a poor Sunday pub outfit, because they play with 10 Defenders and a Goalkeeper. If he was playing full 90 minutes pitting himself against the likes of Iniesta, Mata, Silva and Defenders like Pique and Ramos then I would agree that it would be beneficial for both him and us, and should aid his development playing against players of that calibre. But I honestly can't see how training with a bunch of terrible amateur cloggers for a week and then warming the bench be of any benefit to him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2015 11:46:47 GMT
If he's good enough then there is no reason he can't do both. Thats the thing, he is clearly good enough! He is head and shoulders above the whole Gilbraltar squad in terms of footballing ability, but he hardly gets a kick for what can only be discribed as a poor Sunday pub outfit, because they play with 10 Defenders and a Goalkeeper. If he was playing full 90 minutes pitting himself against the likes of Iniesta, Mata, Silva and Defenders like Pique and Ramos then I would agree that it would be beneficial for both him and us, and should aid his development playing against players of that calibre. But I honestly can't see how training with a bunch of terrible amateur cloggers for a week and then warming the bench be of any benefit to him. I've watched a few of Gibraltars games on telly and they really aren't like San Marino or Andorra (10 man defence all game) they do try and counterattack their opponents,they're just not very good at it.I just think it's a no brainer for jg to take his opportunity to play international football.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 3, 2015 11:46:57 GMT
JG is playing for Gibraltar not Germany, most of his team mates aren't even professional footballers so I doubt he's going to come back demanding he's paid as much as a butcher/plumber in Gibraltar?? Posters seem to think JG is going off training/socialising with Messi when he's training etc with the likes of FGR & Eastleigh players, then gets to chase the likes of Messi around a pitch for 90 mins. Read what I wrote, not what you want it to be: I was generalising on things, I did not state that Jake would come back demanding the earth. Your attempt at sarcasm is totally underwhelming. If he was chasing Messi around the pitch for 90 minutes, he would not be able to get a closer view than that of the man's skills and tricks. Do you not think he would pick up some good tips to use himself and learn from that experience? You stated players returning to smaller clubs surely that was a reference to JG as in international terms you don't get much smaller than a Div 2? Seens you want to make various points but don't like it when your challenged. The fact remains if JG disappears again next week and so hands his place over to another player, then last season has shown he has problems regaining his place back in the side. If he's happy with that it's clearly his choice but if it was me personally I really wonder if sat on a bench watching my part timer teammates take yet another thrashing was really doing own career any good.
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Post by Dr Gas on Oct 3, 2015 13:27:03 GMT
Read what I wrote, not what you want it to be: I was generalising on things, I did not state that Jake would come back demanding the earth. Your attempt at sarcasm is totally underwhelming. If he was chasing Messi around the pitch for 90 minutes, he would not be able to get a closer view than that of the man's skills and tricks. Do you not think he would pick up some good tips to use himself and learn from that experience? You stated players returning to smaller clubs surely that was a reference to JG as in international terms you don't get much smaller than a Div 2? Seens you want to make various points but don't like it when your challenged. The fact remains if JG disappears again next week and so hands his place over to another player, then last season has shown he has problems regaining his place back in the side. If he's happy with that it's clearly his choice but if it was me personally I really wonder if sat on a bench watching my part timer teammates take yet another thrashing was really doing own career any good. You obviously have problems understanding the written word. As I said in my earlier response, "Read what I wrote, not what you want it to be:"! NO! I was not referring to Jake when I mentioned players from smaller clubs: In fact, I was thinking more along the lines of Lallana and Southampton/Liverpool and the ilk! In truth, there are not that many League 2 players who get international recognition, so Gosling would not be a very good example to use, would he? I have no problem with being challenged, as long as the challenge is viable. I do not consider a failure to understand what I wrote as being a challenge. I do consider the second part of your post to be a challenge and welcome your opinion, even though I disagree with it. It is what forums are about. People are able to debate their opinions. Just because I disagree with you does not mean I do not like being challenged. If international duty improves any payer's game and confidence then it can only be of benefit to him and his club. One would hope that said duty would result in such an improvement in their game that they became a mainstay of their team and would be one of the first names on the team sheet. As Stapleton Gas has already pointed out, Jake is only 22 so is still very much in the learning stage. I would opine that his current from has stepped up a notch or so due to his recognition for the goal he scored against Poland and new found confidence said recognition has given him, despite his team being thrashed. If he continues with such performances he will become a Gas untouchable *** *** ©Jose Mourinho.
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Post by markczgas on Oct 3, 2015 17:03:07 GMT
That's how he has been described by a Pools' fan on facebook. Brilliant to read such a review for Jake. Lets hope he kicks on and holds down a regular place in the side. UTG. Can he add the goals to his general play ? Let's hope so.
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