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Post by nailseagashead on Nov 23, 2015 13:58:12 GMT
We never replaced Disley. He was brilliant at making late runs in to the danger area. Nobody has done that since he left. Also we need a striker than doesnt continuosly main sail up simple chances. Andy Williams? Would you have him back?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 14:07:54 GMT
We never replaced Disley. He was brilliant at making late runs in to the danger area. Nobody has done that since he left. Also we need a striker than doesnt continuosly main sail up simple chances. Andy Williams? Would you have him back? Taylor very much reminds me of Andy Williams, albeit Taylor is slightly older. Excellent movement to allow himself into good positions, but often lacking the composure at the end of the move. Taylor frustrated me last year just as Williams used to, Taylor could have had as many as Akinde last year. Williams used to get a tonne of stick on the OF, and yet you could see from his ability to position himself and his pace that he'd be a lethal goalscorer if he could gain that composure as he got older. Hey presto, he's had an excellent scoring record at L1 level for four years now. I honestly think as Taylor grows a bit older he'll do the same, at least at L2 level. Will possibly even go on to become a great L1 striker. People may laugh, but people did exactly the same for Williams.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 14:10:23 GMT
Perhaps if we had a decent CF our wingers may actually be shown to be good enough? At the moment they have to hit the perfect cross or it just comes to nothing? The problem for us is Easter & Blissett are looking poor signings and I bet they are both on reasonable money so will be hard to move on. It's a bit disappointing we've not seen more of Lucas who now can't even make the bench. Perhaps if our wingers could put in crosses the CF's could get to then the CF's would be shown to be good enough....? I agree it's not working at the moment, but I could run up and down the right touchline and curl in 5-10 crosses per game. Probably I'd find nobody as I work in retail and am a bit overweight. A winger's job isn't to put in a cross, it's to put in a cross that the CF can get to. Completely different thing. I'm assuming you weren't at the Carlisle game? Montano should have had 4/5 assists by half time, excellent first half performance. Perfect crosses, in between the keeper and the defenders on the six yard line. Understand he was rubbish at Crawley from what people have said, but my point still stands.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 23, 2015 14:13:30 GMT
Didn't Willaims prove himself though by scoring a hat full for Hereford in Div 2 before he joined us? My concern is that prior to the Carlisle game Taylor had done little at the Mem this season, let's hope that game can kick start his season at the Mem.
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Post by KingswoodGas on Nov 23, 2015 14:15:18 GMT
Kane missed a sitter yesterday, our problem is when Taylor misses a chance we probably have to wait until the next game for him to get another! And on the other hand he scored 20 last season and is on course to get another 20 this season. I actually think Taylor is our best striker when you compare him to Easter who basically plays like Sinclair on the ball but with none of the fire without it, Blisset who's pretty useless at everything and Harrison who just doesn't seem that bothered most of the time. I find it unbelievable that our best forward is the one who gets the most abuse yet we all have a laugh about Bliss , talk about Harrison's potential and talk about Easters obvious quality when the 3 of them put together haven't done as much as Taylor has this season or last. We definetly wouldn't have been promoted last season if it wasn't for Harrison.at Wembley and the rest of the season
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Post by socrates on Nov 23, 2015 14:29:41 GMT
And on the other hand he scored 20 last season and is on course to get another 20 this season. I actually think Taylor is our best striker when you compare him to Easter who basically plays like Sinclair on the ball but with none of the fire without it, Blisset who's pretty useless at everything and Harrison who just doesn't seem that bothered most of the time. I find it unbelievable that our best forward is the one who gets the most abuse yet we all have a laugh about Bliss , talk about Harrison's potential and talk about Easters obvious quality when the 3 of them put together haven't done as much as Taylor has this season or last. We definetly wouldn't have been promoted last season if it wasn't for Harrison.at Wembley and the rest of the season We could say that about everyone that took part. They all made a contribution to promotion and that was fantastic. My point is Taylor has contributed more than any of our other forwards since he's been at the club. Ok Harrison rarely starts for us but there's a reason for that. Taylor starts most weeks and that's because he's our best forward.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 14:47:34 GMT
Didn't Willaims prove himself though by scoring a hat full for Hereford in Div 2 before he joined us? My concern is that prior to the Carlisle game Taylor had done little at the Mem this season, let's hope that game can kick start his season at the Mem. Nah, Williams scored 10 in 30 in the Conference the season before joining us. To be fair, the whole team did little at the Mem before the Carlisle game
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 23, 2015 15:02:34 GMT
Didn't Willaims prove himself though by scoring a hat full for Hereford in Div 2 before he joined us? My concern is that prior to the Carlisle game Taylor had done little at the Mem this season, let's hope that game can kick start his season at the Mem. Nah, Williams scored 10 in 30 in the Conference the season before joining us. To be fair, the whole team did little at the Mem before the Carlisle game He joined us in Div 1 from Hereford who were then in Div 2?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 15:13:18 GMT
Perhaps if we had a decent CF our wingers may actually be shown to be good enough? At the moment they have to hit the perfect cross or it just comes to nothing? The problem for us is Easter & Blissett are looking poor signings and I bet they are both on reasonable money so will be hard to move on. It's a bit disappointing we've not seen more of Lucas who now can't even make the bench. Perhaps if our wingers could put in crosses the CF's could get to then the CF's would be shown to be good enough....? I agree it's not working at the moment, but I could run up and down the right touchline and curl in 5-10 crosses per game. Probably I'd find nobody as I work in retail and am a bit overweight. A winger's job isn't to put in a cross, it's to put in a cross that the CF can get to. Completely different thing. Most wingers given time to look up before crossing will attempt to pick out a player in the box,but for the most part they just cross to an area,this the strikers should know from training and make runs to say the near post or far post,but our strikers are not big enough to compete against centrebacks for fifty fifty balls which most crosses are,just putting a centreback under pressure so his headed clearance doesen't get far outside the box or drops in the box helps, but that is not our present strikers strong points. Also we do not get enough players in the box to attack most crosses
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 15:13:51 GMT
Nah, Williams scored 10 in 30 in the Conference the season before joining us. To be fair, the whole team did little at the Mem before the Carlisle game He joined us in Div 1 from Hereford who were then in Div 2? Oops, you're right! Single figures in L2 the season after.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 15:15:58 GMT
We never replaced Disley. He was brilliant at making late runs in to the danger area. Nobody has done that since he left. Also we need a striker than doesnt continuosly main sail up simple chances. Can you give it a break? It's a reasonable and on topic point about Disley, why not just leave it there eh? Everybody on here knows how you feel about Taylor, it doesn't need to hijack every new thread with a vague connection to scoring goals. I am categorically speaking as another poster and not a moderator at this point, but I feel that I will be forced to start taking action if this continues to excess, for the enjoyment of other posters. Thanks. Are you now saying that freedom of speech on here is limited to that which you approve of,sounds a bit like eastern European press from a few years ago
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 15:18:47 GMT
We need a big old school centre forward, and before someone mentions Blissett, he can't head a ball! Lots of other things he cant do either,whoops better be carefull or I will be banned
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 15:23:27 GMT
What we actually need to improve the team is any player who is *slightly* better than our current player(s) in that position. Do we need a particular type of CF? Not really, just need one that scores more goals than the current ones. Do we need a particular type of winger? No, just one who can beat more fullbacks and put in better crosses than our current ones. The 'type' of player we need to improve the squad is one who will fit in, play better than what we have, understand what playing for Rovers is all about and do everything they can in any given 90 minutes to get us three points. However getting them is a whole other ball game as you need to i) convince them to come, ii) find the money to pay them and iii) find something else for at least one of the current players to do that doesn't involve paying their wages. Perhaps we should have a look at Justin Bennett at Gosp[ort Borough in the conference south,i know he is 32 but 20 goals in 18 games tells me he knows where the net is and if we can get a couple of years out of him that will give Lucas time to grow into the job
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 15:29:48 GMT
We definetly wouldn't have been promoted last season if it wasn't for Harrison.at Wembley and the rest of the season We could say that about everyone that took part. They all made a contribution to promotion and that was fantastic. My point is Taylor has contributed more than any of our other forwards since he's been at the club. Ok Harrison rarely starts for us but there's a reason for that. Taylor starts most weeks and that's because he's our best forward. That's because Ellis face doesn't fit whereas Taylor has to start or it willmake DC look stupid after his assertation that Taylor is the best striker in the division and will get 20 goals this season,obviously why he now takes the penalties
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Post by socrates on Nov 23, 2015 15:43:02 GMT
We could say that about everyone that took part. They all made a contribution to promotion and that was fantastic. My point is Taylor has contributed more than any of our other forwards since he's been at the club. Ok Harrison rarely starts for us but there's a reason for that. Taylor starts most weeks and that's because he's our best forward. That's because Ellis face doesn't fit whereas Taylor has to start or it willmake DC look stupid after his assertation that Taylor is the best striker in the division and will get 20 goals this season,obviously why he now takes the penalties If your suggesting that our manager picks the team according to things he says in the media then your way off the mark. Good managers know how to get the best out of players. Clarke is a good manager. And if Ellis's face doesn't fit as you put it then maybe that's because his attitude isn't as good as the others rather than it being down to some kind of irrational personal vendetta from our manager towards him ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 15:59:06 GMT
Strikers come in different forms,as a small striker who likes ball to feet Taylor is as good as any other small striker I have seen in this league,If he is getting high balls pumped at him he struggles, a bigger striker would be better. I find Ellis more frustrating because he has the size to be the all round striker but on the deck his ball control and vision are not as good as Taylor but his finishing is better. Bloody fourth division strikers
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Post by althepirate on Nov 23, 2015 15:59:51 GMT
were very good at working the ball wide and crossing it into the box for the opponents defenders to head away!! easter taylor and harrison simply dont pose much of a threat in the air,,so we either need to get someone who does or stop lobbing it into the box and try and work the ball into dangerous positions on the deck which isnt easy in league 2 i admit Exactly! Aerial threat - Crosses, No aerial threat - Channels. We are best on the break which is why we do so well away.
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Post by supergas on Nov 23, 2015 16:13:49 GMT
Perhaps if our wingers could put in crosses the CF's could get to then the CF's would be shown to be good enough....? I agree it's not working at the moment, but I could run up and down the right touchline and curl in 5-10 crosses per game. Probably I'd find nobody as I work in retail and am a bit overweight. A winger's job isn't to put in a cross, it's to put in a cross that the CF can get to. Completely different thing. I'm assuming you weren't at the Carlisle game? Montano should have had 4/5 assists by half time, excellent first half performance. Perfect crosses, in between the keeper and the defenders on the six yard line. Understand he was rubbish at Crawley from what people have said, but my point still stands. Perhaps if our wingers could put in crosses the CF's could get to then the CF's would be shown to be good enough....? I agree it's not working at the moment, but I could run up and down the right touchline and curl in 5-10 crosses per game. Probably I'd find nobody as I work in retail and am a bit overweight. A winger's job isn't to put in a cross, it's to put in a cross that the CF can get to. Completely different thing. Most wingers given time to look up before crossing will attempt to pick out a player in the box,but for the most part they just cross to an area,this the strikers should know from training and make runs to say the near post or far post,but our strikers are not big enough to compete against centrebacks for fifty fifty balls which most crosses are,just putting a centreback under pressure so his headed clearance doesen't get far outside the box or drops in the box helps, but that is not our present strikers strong points. Also we do not get enough players in the box to attack most crosses I knew this would split opinions especially as our wingers are one of the few areas we've actually 'improved' on since last season. Sticking a cross inbetween the keeper and the defenders does not guarantee an assist even in the best teams. You need to know where your strikers are. And knowing where your strikers are doesn't guarantee you can put in a cross they will get to. I don't watch training but I always watch the pre-match warm-ups at the Mem when I'm there (and I wasn't against Carlisle @gashead). Anyone ever seen wingers crossing the ball for strikers to attack? I've seen keeper practising defending crosses, and strikers shooting when the ball is at their feet in front of goal...anyone who's been to training ever seen crosses being practised?
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Post by nailseamark on Nov 23, 2015 17:01:41 GMT
I'm assuming you weren't at the Carlisle game? Montano should have had 4/5 assists by half time, excellent first half performance. Perfect crosses, in between the keeper and the defenders on the six yard line. Understand he was rubbish at Crawley from what people have said, but my point still stands. Most wingers given time to look up before crossing will attempt to pick out a player in the box,but for the most part they just cross to an area,this the strikers should know from training and make runs to say the near post or far post,but our strikers are not big enough to compete against centrebacks for fifty fifty balls which most crosses are,just putting a centreback under pressure so his headed clearance doesen't get far outside the box or drops in the box helps, but that is not our present strikers strong points. Also we do not get enough players in the box to attack most crosses I knew this would split opinions especially as our wingers are one of the few areas we've actually 'improved' on since last season. Sticking a cross inbetween the keeper and the defenders does not guarantee an assist even in the best teams. You need to know where your strikers are. And knowing where your strikers are doesn't guarantee you can put in a cross they will get to. I don't watch training but I always watch the pre-match warm-ups at the Mem when I'm there (and I wasn't against Carlisle @gashead). Anyone ever seen wingers crossing the ball for strikers to attack? I've seen keeper practising defending crosses, and strikers shooting when the ball is at their feet in front of goal...anyone who's been to training ever seen crosses being practised? Think you are wrong about the wingers tbh. I would much rather have last seasons wingers. Monkhouse scored and created lots. We have been missing a goal scoring midfeild. Dawson was also better than our current wingers. I dont rate bodin at all. Gosling was here last season and is even worse. Montano has been here half a season and hasnt even proved he can play half a match.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 17:30:35 GMT
I rate Bodin now he's fit, but feel we'd benefit from Monkhouse still being here. Gosling not really good enough, nor Montano. Dawson a good player, found it odd DC didn't rate him.
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