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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 16:19:15 GMT
This season has all the hallmarks of 2000/1 under Ollie,couldnt win at home,we had 24 points that season,just 2 less than this one and we all know what happened then.Ollie was gone by Jan and down we went.Touches of deja vu Are you seriously comparing the two considering how much money Holloway had at his disposal and calibre of player he had compared to what Darrel Clarke inherited and had to sign on a pittance? You may well get your wish Padstow, if only DC wanted your expert help! Then your personal crusade against the bloke would never started. Lifes to short to be bitter and twisted.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 25, 2015 16:38:37 GMT
The concern for is that it's usually a team home form success or failure is built on, not away form. We went down under JW/DC because we couldn't win one of our last half a dozen or so games. DC has to come up with some forumla soon to stop the rot at home, or NH might well be looking for a new manager as well as players come January.
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Post by Big Jock on Nov 25, 2015 16:45:38 GMT
Jeez troops i mauna be the brightest in the bush but we r mid table an r still comin up trumps generally wi enaw results tae keep us there. Chill troops gis the lads a chance tae learn frae there mistakes
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 17:19:28 GMT
The concern for is that it's usually a team home form success or failure is built on, not away form. We went down under JW/DC because we couldn't win one of our last half a dozen or so games. DC has to come up with some forumla soon to stop the rot at home, or NH might well be looking for a new manager as well as players come January. The best thing for DC is to resign from the poison chalice. The total meltdown by certain supporters is comical after a loss. Even tho an individual error, Sinclair, and a belter from distance cost us. We are still mid table and playing half decent football, considering. We need a couple of players and need to get rid of a couple who don't put in a shift,but where is the money? Which of theses wonder players out there would want to come to Rovers? The club is rotten, we can all see it but people who demand and demand under the circumstances need a check up,quick.
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Post by RD on Nov 25, 2015 19:27:59 GMT
Couldn't disagree more if I'm honest Padstow. IMO that season was very different; the players here now are a lot stronger psychologically IMO for starters. 2000/1 was off the back of a massively disappointing end to the previous season and we never really recovered. This is the polar extreme. Furthermore, we have January where we still have an opportunity to address our shortcomings. Ultimately if we had beaten Crawley as our performance warranted on Saturday, and not had a wonder striker against us last night we'd be in the playoffs now (or 1 point out) [from memory]. So talk of relegation is madness IMO. Quite happy to take a wager with anyone that we won't go down... They may be psychologically stronger but technically weaker,as for ifs and buts if my mother was my father I would be my uncle.As for betting with the worst home record in the football league if the away form dips then where are the 26 points we need going to come from.WE didn't beat Crawley,or Chesham or Stevenage or Newport all positioned well below us so where your confidence is coming from I fail to see.How do you think DC is going to get players in when he has consistently failed to do so since the end of last season when there were numerous players available,such as Jon-Lewis who joined Newport,such a massive club comparted to Rovers Well no sh*t Sherlock; we're in League Two now and we were a League One side back then! A side that had just missed out on promotion to the Championship too; not just a side that had just been promoted from non-league! You couldn't make it up: "as for ifs and buts if my mother was my father I would be my uncle" 1 sentence later... "if the away form dips then where are the 26 points we need going to come from" You'll be hard pushed to find a better definition of irony than that. My confidence comes from the FACT we are 14 points off the relegation zone and 4 points off of the playoffs. We will not go down, mark my words. How about you put your money where your mouth is?
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Post by Big Jock on Nov 25, 2015 19:35:55 GMT
They may be psychologically stronger but technically weaker,as for ifs and buts if my mother was my father I would be my uncle.As for betting with the worst home record in the football league if the away form dips then where are the 26 points we need going to come from.WE didn't beat Crawley,or Chesham or Stevenage or Newport all positioned well below us so where your confidence is coming from I fail to see.How do you think DC is going to get players in when he has consistently failed to do so since the end of last season when there were numerous players available,such as Jon-Lewis who joined Newport,such a massive club comparted to Rovers Well no sh*t Sherlock; we're in League Two now and we were a League One side back then! A side that had just missed out on promotion to the Championship too; not just a side that had just been promoted from non-league! You couldn't make it up: "as for ifs and buts if my mother was my father I would be my uncle" 1 sentence later... "if the away form dips then where are the 26 points we need going to come from" You'll be hard pushed to find a better definition of irony than that. My confidence comes from the FACT we are 14 points off the relegation zone and 4 points off of the playoffs. We will not go down, mark my words. How about you put your money where your mouth is?Aye thers an A pp Thread fur that
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 20:25:02 GMT
This season has all the hallmarks of 2000/1 under Ollie,couldnt win at home,we had 24 points that season,just 2 less than this one and we all know what happened then.Ollie was gone by Jan and down we went.Touches of deja vu Couldn't disagree more if I'm honest Padstow. IMO that season was very different; the players here now are a lot stronger psychologically IMO for starters. 2000/1 was off the back of a massively disappointing end to the previous season and we never really recovered. This is the polar extreme. Furthermore, we have January where we still have an opportunity to address our shortcomings. Ultimately if we had beaten Crawley as our performance warranted on Saturday, and not had a wonder striker against us last night we'd be in the playoffs now (or 1 point out) [from memory]. So talk of relegation is madness IMO. Quite happy to take a wager with anyone that we won't go down... If we can't fathom how to win at home we are in real danger. Our away form has made our position in the league respectable but we won't have the 2nd best away form come May. We seem to be easy to beat, especially when we are up against a side with no hope. We shouldn't go down but it's going to be close I reckon. The fact is that our squad is trying but are lacking quality all over. Our best players aren't amongst the better players in the league and we do not have the pack mentality of an AFC Wimbledon. The football played is attractive to watch at times but we are in the basement and points are far more important when our status is at stake, again.
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Post by RD on Nov 25, 2015 20:40:36 GMT
Couldn't disagree more if I'm honest Padstow. IMO that season was very different; the players here now are a lot stronger psychologically IMO for starters. 2000/1 was off the back of a massively disappointing end to the previous season and we never really recovered. This is the polar extreme. Furthermore, we have January where we still have an opportunity to address our shortcomings. Ultimately if we had beaten Crawley as our performance warranted on Saturday, and not had a wonder striker against us last night we'd be in the playoffs now (or 1 point out) [from memory]. So talk of relegation is madness IMO. Quite happy to take a wager with anyone that we won't go down... If we can't fathom how to win at home we are in real danger. Our away form has made our position in the league respectable but we won't have the 2nd best away form come May. We seem to be easy to beat, especially when we are up against a side with no hope. We shouldn't go down but it's going to be close I reckon. The fact is that our squad is trying but are lacking quality all over. Our best players aren't amongst the better players in the league and we do not have the pack mentality of an AFC Wimbledon. The football played is attractive to watch at times but we are in the basement and points are far more important when our status is at stake, again. I see what you're saying, but in large have to disagree if I'm honest. You can't know for sure that our away form won't be the 2nd best in the league come May; it easily could be - we've only lost a couple of times in 20 odd away games. I also don't agree about the lack of "quality". IMO we've played better than the vast majority of our opponents in most of our games. We've often lost games deserving more and it's only poor finishing that has meant we've lost the game. That doesn't therefore mean the whole squad is weak; just that we need a more potent strikeforce. We are 4 points off a playoff spot and are currently midtable which doesn't IMO point to us "lacking quality all over". I honestly don't believe we will be in a relegation battle at any point this season. We'll survive by at lest 20 points IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 20:44:20 GMT
^^Hope so.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 25, 2015 20:45:10 GMT
I don't get to away games but we have been water poor in all bar 3 home games (opinion).
I dont believe in false positions, we are where we are but from what I've seen personally I can only see a struggle this season.
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Post by socrates on Nov 25, 2015 20:53:58 GMT
The league table doesn't lie , were nearly half way through the season and we're an average team in league 2. 2 or 3 good signings loan or otherwise and we could push for top 7. It could go the other way of course but I really don't see how anyone could say at this point that we're going to struggle come the end or that we're going to Wembley. There's too many factors that we can't forsee. For example injuries, new signings, players coming into / out of form,. We need to keep up our support and stay behind the team, this manager and squad got us up and they can keep us moving in the right direction if the fans and board show a bit of patience.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 0:05:04 GMT
for me your report is distorted by sheer disappointment which i understand,,,you simply dont like the fact that we dont play a high pressing game which some teams employ ie spurs and liverpool but others dont ie man utd man city,so for you dc will always be tactically wrong which he isnt,he simply sets his teams up differently to your preferred way of playing? also are you seriously suggesting we play easter and lines in central midfield? what fun our opponents would have if that was the case Are you saying that Dc is a tactical genius and that mighty teams like Stevenage,Crawley and Chesham would have beaten any one in the division.It is plain for all to see that we need a physical presence up front if only to stop the ball going straight back at our defence,and it would be nice to see substitutions made with a bit of imagination not like for like which rarely changes anything no im not saying that,,im saying that dc dosnt like his team to play a high pressure push up the field style that steve k prefers,,,were halfway in the league better than i think every other promoted throughout the leagues,i agree we need a decent target man,i actually think the team is a bit small to do really well in this division but we also have some good players so i remain optimistic about us at least being mid-table
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 8:11:00 GMT
9 of the 16 promoted teams this year begin with the letter B. Prem to Conf prem.
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Post by surreygas on Nov 26, 2015 9:08:47 GMT
for me your report is distorted by sheer disappointment which i understand,,,you simply dont like the fact that we dont play a high pressing game which some teams employ ie spurs and liverpool but others dont ie man utd man city,so for you dc will always be tactically wrong which he isnt,he simply sets his teams up differently to your preferred way of playing? also are you seriously suggesting we play easter and lines in central midfield? what fun our opponents would have if that was the case Agreed - Steve's negative report sums up the reaction of a lot of fans. We are on the edge of the playoffs then get a couple of bad results (not necessarily performances) when we could have won both games and suddenyl DC is tactically inept and we are a non league team heading back into oblivion. On the contrary I see us as a mid table in league 2 re establishing our leasgue status after spending last season playing non league and we are playing some decent football in the process. This season may be a bit too soon for a promotion push but I wouldn't rule it out - we are a decent side and some of the players who had previously only played non league foootball are adapting well and certainly dont look non league to me - Taylor and Sinclair in particular. I find it bemusing that people criticise DC when he has brought a bit of pride and commitment back to the team which was sadly lacking for a good number of years and at the same time got us playing passing football as opposed to the long ball which is sole destroying to watch even if sometimes effective (Crawley for example beat us last week with long ball football but I feel for their fans having to watch that every week). So I think a lot of Gasheads need to be a bit more realistic about where we are in the grand scheme of things - we shouldn't expect DC will give us another promotion in our first year back in the league but if you give him time and a bit of patience I think he can get us into league 1 in the next couple of years - and I still think he will give it a damned good go this year.
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Post by socrates on Nov 26, 2015 9:40:45 GMT
Yeah, that's exactly what I said, last night. But we all know, when that big man doesn't score for us, we would be calling for someone else. Yes we need someone to hold it up. But every time it went to that big bloke Their striker and MIDFIELDERS were around him for the second ball. Our midfield would be nowhere near him. Yeah the thing with a target man is you do have to surround him with your players. When We used to play it up to Devon White we always had Boris , Holloway, Saunders etc within laying off / nodding it on distance.
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Post by stevek192 on Nov 26, 2015 9:50:48 GMT
The good thing about football is that everyone can have a different view because it is THEIR view of the game in question. I write it as I see it and personally I do not call passing back to a deep defensive player and then across the back four good football unless the player it is passed to has them ability to pass FORWARD to one of our players.We tend to pass the ball back to a player who then either hoofs the ball forward to one of our forwards who is outnumbered and about a foot shorter than the player they are marked by OR they then pass it sideways to another defender who is then under pressure and either hoofs it forward or out into touch OR [plays it back to our keeper who hoofs it long to our short forwards who have little chance of winning the ball. Sorry but I find our attacking slow and laborious. I would go as far as to say that I have seen many of our forwards control a ball and pass it back to one of our players and the bloody ball ends up going from our opponents final third and end up with our goalkeeper. The tactics with Lee brown are frustrating when we play a winger in front of him because whenever he receives the ball his first intention is to run forward as far as he can until he gets into trouble and only has the option to cross from way out or pass inside and then he runs forward and expects a 1-2 to get to a position where half his crosses don't beat the first defender and a couple go straight across. IMO when you are playing with a winger his first action should be a quick pass to the winger. Whoever plays left wing rarely see the ball whether it be Montano,Gosling or now Paris Cowens Hall. There is no point having a winger on Browns side so may as well play the extra midfielder. This is just my opinion as is I would like to see the midfielders supporting the attack and not just supporting the defence. The fact is that DC's tactics do not work at home and he has tried various players but the tactics are the same. He continually blames the players but never thinks that perhaps it is caused by him getting the home tactics wrong.
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Post by oddsongas on Nov 26, 2015 10:14:55 GMT
But we all know, when that big man doesn't score for us, we would be calling for someone else. Yes we need someone to hold it up. But every time it went to that big bloke Their striker and MIDFIELDERS were around him for the second ball. Our midfield would be nowhere near him. Yeah the thing with a target man is you do have to surround him with your players. When We used to play it up to Devon White we always had Boris , Holloway, Saunders etc within laying off / nodding it on distance. Exactly, we would have maybe 1 person around him, we wouldn't keep the ball and the football would be even worse. Their bloke was strong on Tuesday but he didn't particularly hold it up, he just won the head/chest and others took it off him.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 26, 2015 11:18:14 GMT
The good thing about football is that everyone can have a different view because it is THEIR view of the game in question. I write it as I see it and personally I do not call passing back to a deep defensive player and then across the back four good football unless the player it is passed to has them ability to pass FORWARD to one of our players.We tend to pass the ball back to a player who then either hoofs the ball forward to one of our forwards who is outnumbered and about a foot shorter than the player they are marked by OR they then pass it sideways to another defender who is then under pressure and either hoofs it forward or out into touch OR [plays it back to our keeper who hoofs it long to our short forwards who have little chance of winning the ball. Sorry but I find our attacking slow and laborious. I would go as far as to say that I have seen many of our forwards control a ball and pass it back to one of our players and the bloody ball ends up going from our opponents final third and end up with our goalkeeper. The tactics with Lee brown are frustrating when we play a winger in front of him because whenever he receives the ball his first intention is to run forward as far as he can until he gets into trouble and only has the option to cross from way out or pass inside and then he runs forward and expects a 1-2 to get to a position where half his crosses don't beat the first defender and a couple go straight across. IMO when you are playing with a winger his first action should be a quick pass to the winger. Whoever plays left wing rarely see the ball whether it be Montano,Gosling or now Paris Cowens Hall. There is no point having a winger on Browns side so may as well play the extra midfielder. This is just my opinion as is I would like to see the midfielders supporting the attack and not just supporting the defence. The fact is that DC's tactics do not work at home and he has tried various players but the tactics are the same. He continually blames the players but never thinks that perhaps it is caused by him getting the home tactics wrong. Perhaps I've dreamt it but I'm sure DC's tried 5-3-2/3-5-2 and 3-1-2-1-2 at home this season? It's odd that since your love in with Buckle you've seemed to think that your are a better tactician than any of our managers, even though you've never even managed at non league level.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 11:21:15 GMT
If we can't fathom how to win at home we are in real danger. Our away form has made our position in the league respectable but we won't have the 2nd best away form come May. We seem to be easy to beat, especially when we are up against a side with no hope. We shouldn't go down but it's going to be close I reckon. The fact is that our squad is trying but are lacking quality all over. Our best players aren't amongst the better players in the league and we do not have the pack mentality of an AFC Wimbledon. The football played is attractive to watch at times but we are in the basement and points are far more important when our status is at stake, again. I see what you're saying, but in large have to disagree if I'm honest. You can't know for sure that our away form won't be the 2nd best in the league come May; it easily could be - we've only lost a couple of times in 20 odd away games. I also don't agree about the lack of "quality". IMO we've played better than the vast majority of our opponents in most of our games. We've often lost games deserving more and it's only poor finishing that has meant we've lost the game. That doesn't therefore mean the whole squad is weak; just that we need a more potent strikeforce. We are 4 points off a playoff spot and are currently midtable which doesn't IMO point to us "lacking quality all over". I honestly don't believe we will be in a relegation battle at any point this season. We'll survive by at lest 20 points IMO. So you are saying we will get 71 points this season? I will have a tenner against that
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Post by markczgas on Nov 26, 2015 11:29:03 GMT
The good thing about football is that everyone can have a different view because it is THEIR view of the game in question. I write it as I see it and personally I do not call passing back to a deep defensive player and then across the back four good football unless the player it is passed to has them ability to pass FORWARD to one of our players.We tend to pass the ball back to a player who then either hoofs the ball forward to one of our forwards who is outnumbered and about a foot shorter than the player they are marked by OR they then pass it sideways to another defender who is then under pressure and either hoofs it forward or out into touch OR [plays it back to our keeper who hoofs it long to our short forwards who have little chance of winning the ball. Sorry but I find our attacking slow and laborious. I would go as far as to say that I have seen many of our forwards control a ball and pass it back to one of our players and the bloody ball ends up going from our opponents final third and end up with our goalkeeper. The tactics with Lee brown are frustrating when we play a winger in front of him because whenever he receives the ball his first intention is to run forward as far as he can until he gets into trouble and only has the option to cross from way out or pass inside and then he runs forward and expects a 1-2 to get to a position where half his crosses don't beat the first defender and a couple go straight across. IMO when you are playing with a winger his first action should be a quick pass to the winger. Whoever plays left wing rarely see the ball whether it be Montano,Gosling or now Paris Cowens Hall. There is no point having a winger on Browns side so may as well play the extra midfielder. This is just my opinion as is I would like to see the midfielders supporting the attack and not just supporting the defence. The fact is that DC's tactics do not work at home and he has tried various players but the tactics are the same. He continually blames the players but never thinks that perhaps it is caused by him getting the home tactics wrong. Sadly, you are 100% right Steve. I think DC has improved Rovers and the way they play this season BUT at home he is repeating the same mistakes described by you above. I thought when he signed Cowan -Hall he'd put him on the right and Bodin on the left and then we would feed these players with quick balls in an attempt to stretch the opposition BUT it was the same old on Tuesday - slow and predictable and once Stevenage made it 2 -1 you just had the feeling that it was game, set and match to them. There is no spark, incisiveness in our play and few attacking players given the licence to attack and support the opposition's goal - DC could take a leaf out of Sturrock's book and SOMETIMES apologise and say yep I got it wrong.
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