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Post by inee on Dec 8, 2015 16:14:15 GMT
Jaggas i agree with your comments on the french , but what is cameron supposed to do sit and wait, people have to remember these are terrorists, they are not going to sit at a table for a discussion, they kill indiscriminately they don't give a toss for anyone else. I've already mentioned where i stand re troops, troops should not be sent in on the ground as unless we fight fire with fire ,we would not make any progress, the only way to hit them would be to use coordinated simultaneous strikes, they have tanks etc,these are not too difficult to spot and destroy. they will not stop fighting till every single one of them is dead For starters Cameron should start fighting IS in his own back yard.To do that he has to first admit that there is a problem in the UK within the muslim community something he is frightened to death to do as the British people have been programmed and bullied by the Liberal left over the last two decades to accept Islam warts and all as a peaceful religion.The word Islamophobia was invented to protect muslims and allow them to live as they would in their native homelands no matter how vile the customs and values they live by. Bombing Syria is just p*ssing into the wind if Cameron wants to make a stand on the world stage against IS then he has to convince the major nations in the world to enforce sanctions against Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar with immediate effect as these countries are funding IS directly and knowingly, the Syrian government is buying black market oil from IS. There should be no British boots on the ground until the Geneva convention acts are allowed to be ignored and they should be when fighting people who hide amongst innocent civilians.We have a high profile case of a British soldier in jail serving time for killing a member of the Taliban this is an absolute disgrace and Cameron could have this man released in an instant.Why should any member of the armed forces act on government instructions when they could end up in prison for doing their job? The free world could stop decades of wars and terrorist acts tomorrow by flattening Saudi Arabia and turning the whole nation to dust with a few nukes sent with love from Russia, USA,UK,France and Israel. Sorry fella i misread yer first post, we mostly agree on this |
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Post by inee on Dec 8, 2015 16:33:53 GMT
Don't forget the Geneva convention works both ways. It protects our airmen who are shot down and our troops on the ground who go into difficult places doing difficult jobs. Could it be improved? Definitely, it's 65 years old and the world has changed massively since then. But it's not a priority as the terrorists don't play by it so we need to ensure political efforts are spent killing them rather than negotiating how... We have to ignore the geneva convention, we have to fight the way they fight or we will never have any chance of slowing them down, we also need to hit this in the uk as well, it's time that we had a shoot to kill policy in the uk for terrorism offences, People have to open their eyes and see there is no talking, the support for these terrorists is massive in the uk, unfortunately not just from their own religion but by the average person on the street, think about it theres an awful lot of they must be stopped, but oh don't hurt them it's not right. People also need to realise that if these terrorists get a foothold, then not only will they kill all non muslims but they will also then start on the muslim converts, then muslims born into the religion who stayed in the west, thats about the size of it |
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Post by aghast on Dec 8, 2015 17:20:22 GMT
Go on then. Who thinks Donald Trump is talking sense about barring all Muslims from America?
I think, even if I agreed (which I don't because it's a step down a road we should never travel), that it's totally unworkable.
How do you prove someone is or isn't a Muslim? Brownish skin? Partial to a kebab? Copy of the Quran in their hand?
If they are terrorists from Saudi or elsewhere in the Middle East they'll just get fake passports and claim they're Lebanese Christians.
Trumpty is a numpty.
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Post by jaggas on Dec 8, 2015 20:14:03 GMT
Go on then. Who thinks Donald Trump is talking sense about barring all Muslims from America? I think, even if I agreed (which I don't because it's a step down a road we should never travel), that it's totally unworkable. How do you prove someone is or isn't a Muslim? Brownish skin? Partial to a kebab? Copy of the Quran in their hand? If they are terrorists from Saudi or elsewhere in the Middle East they'll just get fake passports and claim they're Lebanese Christians. Trumpty is a numpty. Not sure where to start I expect that Trump is speaking for the conservative Americans who rightly have a fear of Muslims and the demonic religion we know as Islam. He is bang on the money about no go areas in London where parts have been radicalised just as the parts in Luton, Oldham, Birmingham, Burnley, Blackburn and many other cities and towns in Europe and the USA. Islamic nutcases are real and it is very naive to think they are only in Arab states, they live among us and they are playing the long game a game they know they will win in 50 or so years time. I personally think a country like America having a zero tolerance policy to Islam is a huge step in the right direction. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 8, 2015 21:42:23 GMT
Islam isn't a demonic religion, its just people that do demonic things in its name.
All religions should be done away with. It's all bollocks and just gives unpleasant people a good excuse.
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Post by jaggas on Dec 8, 2015 22:45:26 GMT
All members of IS are muslim that is an undisputed fact and they follow the Koran to the letter as do the nation of Saudi Arabia and quite a few other Arab countries.
I agree that religion is dangerous and IMO was introduced by man to control man.It is clear that to survive in the modern world many versions of Christianity has had to modernise and move with the times whereas in the last 30 years Islam has moved rapidly towards its barbaric roots.The downhill spiral of Islam here is being accelerated by 2nd and 3rd generation muslims who were born in the UK.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 11:05:27 GMT
Go on then. Who thinks Donald Trump is talking sense about barring all Muslims from America? I think, even if I agreed (which I don't because it's a step down a road we should never travel), that it's totally unworkable. How do you prove someone is or isn't a Muslim? Brownish skin? Partial to a kebab? Copy of the Quran in their hand? If they are terrorists from Saudi or elsewhere in the Middle East they'll just get fake passports and claim they're Lebanese Christians. Trumpty is a numpty. All the expected indignacy and hand wringing going on over this but in my humble opinion the quiet majority of Americans will fully support Mr Trump.If he survives the Republican hierarchy backlash (unlikely) and becomes their nominee for the presidency,this will be a vote winner amongst the US rank and file. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 11:21:47 GMT
Go on then. Who thinks Donald Trump is talking sense about barring all Muslims from America? I think, even if I agreed (which I don't because it's a step down a road we should never travel), that it's totally unworkable. How do you prove someone is or isn't a Muslim? Brownish skin? Partial to a kebab? Copy of the Quran in their hand? If they are terrorists from Saudi or elsewhere in the Middle East they'll just get fake passports and claim they're Lebanese Christians. Trumpty is a numpty. All the expected indignacy and hand wringing going on over this but in my humble opinion the quiet majority of Americans will fully support Mr Trump.If he survives the Republican hierarchy backlash (unlikely) and becomes their nominee for the presidency,this will be a vote winner amongst the US rank and file. To be fair, Trump's comments have been taken out of context. He did say ban all Muslims from entering the US, but only temporarily and until they have fixed their Immigration System, but the shouty types have jumped on just the one bit. But Trump for President.......Give me strength. |
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Post by inee on Dec 9, 2015 14:26:05 GMT
Indeed nobby, unfortunately it's what happens in today's soft brainwashed society, someone makes a statement others shout, and the majority focus on what the shouty people made up not what was said,
I mentioned earlier that if more incidents happen in the uk then maybe we should intern all muslims, then maybe they would actually start condemning isis(if the truthfully agree with it) rather than staying silent , a lot want their own religious law in the uk, people need to look at places where muslim law is in effect and then it may just dawn on people that far from being a religion of peace, it is actually one of the more medevil ones, and also realise that the average muslim on the streets want to live this way, and not the way they are living now.
All this force feeding the general public with halal meat, most meat you buy today is halal and most don't realise it, i want my meat slaughtered the british way, i dont want my meat slowly bleed out and then for someone to speak a load of mumbo jumbo to it, besides did you know that if a country is non halal then they can eat kosher meat, and if that isnt available then they can eat unblessed meat, so why do we pander to it, Again if you blled out meat at home you would get done for animal cruelty so why is there an exception ,when according to their bible there doesn't need to be any.
This country really need to say f**k it we have our way of life if you don't speak the language or complain about the way we live then f**k off somewhere else as im sure they'd welcome you
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 16:50:09 GMT
All the expected indignacy and hand wringing going on over this but in my humble opinion the quiet majority of Americans will fully support Mr Trump.If he survives the Republican hierarchy backlash (unlikely) and becomes their nominee for the presidency,this will be a vote winner amongst the US rank and file. To be fair, Trump's comments have been taken out of context. He did say ban all Muslims from entering the US, but only temporarily and until they have fixed their Immigration System, but the shouty types have jumped on just the one bit. But Trump for President.......Give me strength. Nobody will ever top that ham actor Ron Reagan! |
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Post by jaggas on Dec 9, 2015 18:26:42 GMT
Indeed nobby, unfortunately it's what happens in today's soft brainwashed society, someone makes a statement others shout, and the majority focus on what the shouty people made up not what was said, I mentioned earlier that if more incidents happen in the uk then maybe we should intern all muslims, then maybe they would actually start condemning isis(if the truthfully agree with it) rather than staying silent , a lot want their own religious law in the uk, people need to look at places where muslim law is in effect and then it may just dawn on people that far from being a religion of peace, it is actually one of the more medevil ones, and also realise that the average muslim on the streets want to live this way, and not the way they are living now. All this force feeding the general public with halal meat, most meat you buy today is halal and most don't realise it, i want my meat slaughtered the british way, i dont want my meat slowly bleed out and then for someone to speak a load of mumbo jumbo to it, besides did you know that if a country is non halal then they can eat kosher meat, and if that isnt available then they can eat unblessed meat, so why do we pander to it, Again if you blled out meat at home you would get done for animal cruelty so why is there an exception ,when according to their bible there doesn't need to be any. This country really need to say f**k it we have our way of life if you don't speak the language or complain about the way we live then f**k off somewhere else as im sure they'd welcome you The halal point is a good one inee,I took great interest in this about 5 years ago and was shocked even then to see how halal meat was forced upon on us and our children without our knowledge.I havent eaten New Zealand lamb for 5 years as the majority of it is halal the same as I wont eat KFC and Nandos from the restaurants in town as they both sell halal only.Almost all the beef and chicken in Asda is halal and it doesn`t tell you clearly on the packaging all you will see is HMA in very small letters which stands for Halal Monitoring Authority. Local authorities use only halal meat in schools even if there are no muslims attending that school, it is a disgrace.People will say "who cares meat is meat" well I care I dont want to eat meat that has been sacrificed in the cruelest way possible in the name of a make believe being who was made up by a blood thirsty murdering savage who had sex with litttle girls. Its all about personal choice and I only eat meat that is non halal. |
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Post by Russgas on Dec 9, 2015 19:17:35 GMT
All this force feeding the general public with halal meat, most meat you buy today is halal and most don't realise it, i want my meat slaughtered the british way, i dont want my meat slowly bleed out and then for someone to speak a load of mumbo jumbo to it, besides did you know that if a country is non halal then they can eat kosher meat, and if that isnt available then they can eat unblessed meat, so why do we pander to it, Again if you blled out meat at home you would get done for animal cruelty so why is there an exception ,when according to their bible there doesn't need to be any. Yet another obsequious bow by our gutless politicians,because they have not got the backbone to stand up to it in the first place. Makes me sick. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 9, 2015 19:18:07 GMT
I know an old boy who whenever he goes to ASDA he puts pork chops in the halal section and bacon in the trolleys of anyone he thinks looks Muslim.
No amount of anything will make him stop doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 19:56:27 GMT
I know an old boy who whenever he goes to ASDA he puts pork chops in the halal section and bacon in the trolleys of anyone he thinks looks Muslim. No amount of anything will make him stop doing it. I'm not that old! |
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Post by pirateman on Dec 9, 2015 20:45:17 GMT
If a slaughter method is cruel, it is cruel and shouldn't be allowed for religious reasons. If I were to follow the ancient Inca religion and wanted to perform a human sacrifice annually, then would that be allowed?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 9, 2015 20:49:09 GMT
If a slaughter method is cruel, it is cruel and shouldn't be allowed for religious reasons. If I were to follow the ancient Inca religion and wanted to perform a human sacrifice annually, then would that be allowed? Probably in this country. We seem to let anyone do anything here now as long as they can claim to be some sort of minority. |
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Post by supergas on Dec 11, 2015 2:08:15 GMT
Indeed nobby, unfortunately it's what happens in today's soft brainwashed society, someone makes a statement others shout, and the majority focus on what the shouty people made up not what was said, I mentioned earlier that if more incidents happen in the uk then maybe we should intern all muslims, then maybe they would actually start condemning isis(if the truthfully agree with it) rather than staying silent , a lot want their own religious law in the uk, people need to look at places where muslim law is in effect and then it may just dawn on people that far from being a religion of peace, it is actually one of the more medevil ones, and also realise that the average muslim on the streets want to live this way, and not the way they are living now. All this force feeding the general public with halal meat, most meat you buy today is halal and most don't realise it, i want my meat slaughtered the british way, i dont want my meat slowly bleed out and then for someone to speak a load of mumbo jumbo to it, besides did you know that if a country is non halal then they can eat kosher meat, and if that isnt available then they can eat unblessed meat, so why do we pander to it, Again if you blled out meat at home you would get done for animal cruelty so why is there an exception ,when according to their bible there doesn't need to be any. This country really need to say f**k it we have our way of life if you don't speak the language or complain about the way we live then f**k off somewhere else as im sure they'd welcome you The halal point is a good one inee,I took great interest in this about 5 years ago and was shocked even then to see how halal meat was forced upon on us and our children without our knowledge.I havent eaten New Zealand lamb for 5 years as the majority of it is halal the same as I wont eat KFC and Nandos from the restaurants in town as they both sell halal only.Almost all the beef and chicken in Asda is halal and it doesn`t tell you clearly on the packaging all you will see is HMA in very small letters which stands for Halal Monitoring Authority. Local authorities use only halal meat in schools even if there are no muslims attending that school, it is a disgrace.People will say "who cares meat is meat" well I care I dont want to eat meat that has been sacrificed in the cruelest way possible in the name of a make believe being who was made up by a blood thirsty murdering savage who had sex with litttle girls. Its all about personal choice and I only eat meat that is non halal. Trouble is, there are a million and one social media groups that are mostly hippies and the worst kind of liberals trying to promote their views and it's easy for them to start petitions and raise crowds to march and so on and so forth because they're all basically anti-state and anti-majority-public-opinion whatever the state and public opinion is in favour of at any given time. We basically need someone to start a group along the lines of "Life in the UK was OK in 19** (you can fill in your own blanks there) so why change anything?" Everytime we want to (for example) protest about Halal meat being forced upon us we can pick a restaurant (chain) that doesn't use it and go out for a mass evening meal, followed by a mass protest walk back to our cars/houses... |
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Post by pirateman on Dec 11, 2015 18:01:04 GMT
If a slaughter method is cruel, it is cruel and shouldn't be allowed for religious reasons. If I were to follow the ancient Inca religion and wanted to perform a human sacrifice annually, then would that be allowed? Probably in this country. We seem to let anyone do anything here now as long as they can claim to be some sort of minority. I should be all right then. I am part English, part Scottish, art Irish and part Jewish (my boy) That must be some sort of minority. I demand special treatment, free school beer and all that. |
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Post by philbemmygas on Dec 11, 2015 19:48:21 GMT
Nobby you may have opened a can of worms with this one, my opinion is we had to get involved as a member of NATO.
Any comparison to previous terrorist groups is complete horse crap, this is a bunch of murderous toe rags who need to be eliminated by any means possible. The Arab nations need to commit to sending troops to enforce the UN mandate as they did in 1990.
To answer the question about putting your life on the line, look at the casualties in the last 30 odd years. You know it's possible when you sign on the dotted line.
Anyway let's concentrate on the football, something we should be able to agree on
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Post by Thatslife on Dec 20, 2015 23:12:50 GMT
Go on then. Who thinks Donald Trump is talking sense about barring all Muslims from America? I think, even if I agreed (which I don't because it's a step down a road we should never travel), that it's totally unworkable. How do you prove someone is or isn't a Muslim? Brownish skin? Partial to a kebab? Copy of the Quran in their hand? If they are terrorists from Saudi or elsewhere in the Middle East they'll just get fake passports and claim they're Lebanese Christians. Trumpty is a numpty. Trump was talking of a temporary ban until the American immigration can be tightened up. What this means is he believes that they will introduce passenger profiling. Which would be a massive undertaking starting with the passengers travel history, nationality etc and yes their religion. I worked in the USA on and off for 5 years or so. They believe that the one country's travellers that pose the biggest threat to the USA is the UK. They believe that with so many home grown radicals in the UK that any possible passenger profiling would not work. So the UK poses the biggest threat to the USA, so they say, sobering thought isn't it. |
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