Brexit

Are you seriously suggesting that a Nazi controlled Europe would be similar to how the EU is administered right now?Call the men in white coats if you are cos that is clearly insane.

Where is the democracy in the EU? Nations who vote against treaties like Ireland have are forced to vote again till they come up with the right answer.Why are people high up in the EU not elected?  Why have the EU not had their accounts audited for decades?

I think that the Express article was based on a mythical fourth reich that didn`t exist.The third reich who were not mythical had plans for a post war United States of Europe obviously with Germany ruling it.That is what we are very close to having now.

edit: Two answers in one post.

Feel free to pick this apart.




“The Third Reich was defeated militarily, but powerful Nazi-era bankers, industrialists and civil servants, reborn as democrats, soon prospered in the new West Germany. There they worked for a new cause: European economic and political integration,” writes Lebor.
Wealthy Nazi industrialists like Alfried Krupp of Krupp Industries and Friedrich Flick, as well as front companies like BMW, Siemens and Volkswagen, set about the task of building a new pan-European business empire. According to historian Dr Michael Pinto-Duschinsky, an adviser to Jewish former slave labourers, “For many leading industrial figures close to the Nazi regime, Europe became a cover for pursuing German national interests after the defeat of Hitler….The continuity of the economy of Germany and the economies of post-war Europe is striking. Some of the leading figures in the Nazi economy became leading builders of the European Union.”

Banking titan Hermann Abs, who joined board of Deutsche Bank during the rise of Nazis, also sat on the supervisory board of I.G. Farben, the company that made the Zyklon B gas used to kill concentration camp victims. “Abs was put in charge of allocating Marshall Aid – reconstruction funds – to German industry. By 1948 he was effectively managing Germany’s economic recovery,” writes Lebor.
“Crucially, Abs was also a member of the European League for Economic Co-operation, an elite intellectual pressure group set up in 1946. The league was dedicated to the establishment of a common market, the precursor of the European Union.”
The European League for Economic Co-operation developed policies for European integration that almost mirrored those proposed by Nazis just years previously.
In his book “Europe’s Full Circle,” Rodney Atkinson provides a list of policies proposed by Nazis and their similarity to today’s European Union.


“Is it possible that the Fourth Reich those Nazi industrialists foresaw has, in some part at least, come to pass?” asks Lebor.
“These three typewritten pages are a reminder that today’s drive towards a European federal state is inexorably tangled up with the plans of the SS and German industrialists for a Fourth Reich – an economic rather than military imperium.”
As we have highlighted in the past, Nazism and the EU have some very disturbing parallels. Indeed, the two are fundamentally intertwined and the origins of the EU can be traced directly back to the Nazis.
The foundations for the EU and ultimately the Euro single currency were laid by the secretive Bilderberg Group in the mid-1950’s. Bilderberg’s owned leaked documents prove that the agenda to create a European common market and a single currency were formulated by Bilderberg in 1955. One of the group’s principle founders was H. Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, a former Nazi SS officer.
But the ideological framework for the European Union goes back even further, to the 1940’s when top Nazi economists and academics outlined the plan for a single European economic community, an agenda that was duly followed after the end of the second world war.
In his 1940 book The European Community, Nazi Economics Minister and war criminal Walther Funk wrote about the need to create a “Central European Union” and “European Economic Area” and for fixed exchange rates, stating “No nation in Europe can achieve on its own the highest level of economic freedom which is compatible with all social requirements…The formation of very large economic areas follows a natural law of development….interstate agreements in Europe will control [economic forces generally]…There must be a readiness to subordinate one’s own interests in certain cases to those of [the EC].”
Funk’s co-authors echoed his sentiments. Nazi academic Heinrich Hunke wrote, “Classic national economy..is dead…community of fate which is the European economy…fate and extent of European co-operation depends on a new unity economic plan”.
Fellow Nazi Gustav Koenig observed, “We have a real European Community task before us…I am convinced that this Community effort will last beyond the end of the war.”
In 1940, Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels ordered the creation of the “large-scale economic unification of Europe,” believing that “in fifty years’ time [people would] no longer think in terms of countries.” Just 53 years later, the European Union in its current form was established.
Other top Nazis who called for the creation of a pan-European federal economic superstate include Ribbentrop, Quisling and Seyss-Inquart, who spoke of “The new Europe of solidarity and co-operation among all its people… will find…rapidly increasing prosperity once national economic boundaries are removed.”
Such rhetoric would not look out of place at a present day Bilderberg, Trilateral Commission or CFR confab.
The Nazis killed people who spoke out against the Third Reich, whereas the EU has implemented an altogether more efficient solution – simply kill their free speech instead.
A Dutch MP was recently refused entry to Britain because his political opinions were deemed offensive under EU laws. Euro MP’s have consistently attempted to ban the “dangerous and unregulated blogosphere” in an attempt to shut down free speech on the Internet. Under the 1999 ruling of the European Court Of Justice (case 274/99), it is illegal to criticize the EU and the EU is on a mission to outlaw any national political parties that do not pander to the European federal superstate agenda.
Most of the individuals who hold the reigns of power in the European Union are not Nazis, indeed, they probably believe themselves to be fair-minded liberals working for the “greater good”. However, the European Union by its very nature is totalitarian, because it seeks to remove power from national governments accountable to their electorate and centralize it into the hands of supra-national entities that are accountable to nobody but themselves. It also seeks to remove the right of free speech for anyone in a position of influence who criticizes this agenda.
The fact that the EU was a brainchild of top Nazi economists and industrialists, formulated as a means of preserving dictatorial power and then implemented by a former Nazi working under the auspices of the Bilderberg Group in 1955, proves that the entire European Union system is poisoned with a legacy and a raison d’être of totalitarianism.
This is becoming increasingly obvious in the 21st century as popular social movements across Europe rise up to oppose the blatant power grab being undertaken by the EU via the Lisbon Treaty, which will again be put before Irish voters later this year despite them already rejecting it in a national referendum, which prevented the treaty from being enforced.

Who wrote that article and do you have a second source to verify it with? Not saying you are wrong but when I studied (albeit a long time ago now) German history I was always told to look for secondary sources and bias.

As for the article itself, it is difficult to judge without knowing more about the context. It seems on first reading though that the article is trying, poorly in my opinion, to link members of the Nazi Party to the post war reconstruction. This was a deliberate act under the Marshall Plan as we learnt from 1918 that removing the leadership without a proper plan leads to problems later on. Not all Nazi Party members were in agreement with Hitler, membership was almost a prerequisite to getting on in business. Something we sadly forgot with Iraq and the deBa'athisification.

My arguments in the face of being called a little Englander, a racist a soppy idiot who goes all misty eyed at the sight of the queens head on a tenner and a xenophobe over the Euro on the Rovers forums from the very start have been 100% justified and correct.

The Germans had to have a plan once the war was over win or lose, lets not forget that the majority of Germans were not Nazis or fascists they are brilliant industrialists and economists.

I am sure that the Brits who died in WWII would turn in their graves at the thought of Britain 60 years later being a tiny voice in an undemocratic corrupt European Superstate run by Germany.

The labelling is the way of the world now.

We shouldn`t join the Euro.......................You are a racist xenophobe.

I`m not keen on gays and gay pride............You are a homophobe or a closet homo yourself.

Islam is not cool, the multiculturalism experiment has been a disaster ............ You are a racist and Islamophobic.


Women have equal rights the same as blokes whats wrong with that? Sexism exists with many on the left who still cannot get over the fact that a woman could run this country better than any bloke in the Labour party could.She still gets no credit for the brilliant job she did in protecting the environment from that horrible poisonous coal and the thousands of lives she saved where people didn`t have to follow the family trait of going into a pit mine for coal and die prematurely.Traditional Labour working class gobshites still want to take a water on her grave.

I've not called you any of those, out of courtesy could you let me know the sources? I don't mind whether you vote in or out, I just want you to vote for the right reason.

Oh, and people fought and died for many reasons, please don't politicise their memory. Just be grateful that when the doorbell goes it is the Amazon parcel you ordered and not the secret police. 

It's a shame mods are unable to block people.

The issue with the unions was they became to powerful for their own good, lets face it old labour was the friend of unions but those unions then became greedy and bit the hand that fed them, as for the coal industry some were so unproductive that they ate into the profits of the productive ones and needed government money to run them , the reality is you can't just blame maggie, like it or hate it scargill did more damage to the unions than maggie could ever dream of, if the union had a different leader at the time i think only the unproductive pits would have closed, lets also not forget that successive labour governments have never ever backtracked any tory policies, pits could have been reopened, utilities could have been renationalised but none were, i'm sure behind closed doors labours old guard were wringing their hands with glee at the break up of the unions by the tories.

Interesting you mention health and safety that alone has had a detrimental effect on productivity , wages , and even worse on a lot of peoples common sense and their abilities as people to be able to look after themselves