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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 5, 2016 16:32:35 GMT
Can you retrofit a Leopard 2 turret onto a Challenger 2 chassis? I guess the cheapest option would be a managed reduction with a modest upgrade until the next generation becomes available in say 10 years time.
A decision always seems to be put off.
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Post by lulworthgas on Jan 5, 2016 17:42:09 GMT
No money in the pot. Basically the extension programme is taking cr2 up to 2035. Will end up getting a new thermal sight and not a lot else. There are no longer any tank building facilities in this country after vickers closed in Leeds and Newcastle so the best option would be to buy leopard 2 off of the shelf. Most likely though is to take the Abrahams off of the yanks. They guve them away free as long as you take up the spares and support package. Considering the British army only have 3 main battle tank regiments left this would probably be the cheapest option.
What's your background mate. You seem very knowledgable in this area?
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 5, 2016 18:57:46 GMT
Just an enthusiastic civilian. Missed the chance in the early 90s and found an office job instead. Brother tried for the Guards when I was young and impressionable but sadly got injured early on but he ignited an interest that never went.
Grandfather was National Service REME in Tidworth and my Godfather was ex RTR in the 1950s.
Thanks for the info though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2016 19:56:50 GMT
No money in the pot. Basically the extension programme is taking cr2 up to 2035. Will end up getting a new thermal sight and not a lot else. There are no longer any tank building facilities in this country after vickers closed in Leeds and Newcastle so the best option would be to buy leopard 2 off of the shelf. Most likely though is to take the Abrahams off of the yanks. They guve them away free as long as you take up the spares and support package. Considering the British army only have 3 main battle tank regiments left this would probably be the cheapest option. What's your background mate. You seem very knowledgable in this area? I understand the Yanks gave 400 tanks to the Greeks last year. |
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Post by lulworthgas on Jan 5, 2016 20:01:23 GMT
No money in the pot. Basically the extension programme is taking cr2 up to 2035. Will end up getting a new thermal sight and not a lot else. There are no longer any tank building facilities in this country after vickers closed in Leeds and Newcastle so the best option would be to buy leopard 2 off of the shelf. Most likely though is to take the Abrahams off of the yanks. They guve them away free as long as you take up the spares and support package. Considering the British army only have 3 main battle tank regiments left this would probably be the cheapest option. What's your background mate. You seem very knowledgable in this area? I understand the Yanks gave 400 tanks to the Greeks last year. Gave them to Australia and the Islamic state too! |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 5, 2016 20:15:16 GMT
The US have more than they need from what I have read and Congress have mandated the production has to continue (jobs!) so they are offloading the older versions. My understanding is that we don't have the logistics capacity or money to keep up with the gas turbine engine it uses. Whether we could fit a diesel engine instead?
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Post by baggins on Jan 6, 2016 12:01:33 GMT
The US have more than they need from what I have read and Congress have mandated the production has to continue (jobs!) so they are offloading the older versions. My understanding is that we don't have the logistics capacity or money to keep up with the gas turbine engine it uses. Whether we could fit a diesel engine instead? Volkswagen have loads. |
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Post by inee on Jan 6, 2016 15:56:09 GMT
The US have more than they need from what I have read and Congress have mandated the production has to continue (jobs!) so they are offloading the older versions. My understanding is that we don't have the logistics capacity or money to keep up with the gas turbine engine it uses. Whether we could fit a diesel engine instead? Strange a gas turbine tank ,amazing really given it complexity at service time, at least with a diesel it can be rebuilt in bad conditions, ie field workshops , even where it broke down (lulsworth does it still hold true that a good tank crew can have the engine ready for dismount in very short order) , A gas turbine on the other hand requires lots of precision dust free assembly , what happened to the nato plan for duel fuel engines across the board. |
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Post by pirateman on Jan 6, 2016 16:17:38 GMT
Is it true that the Green Party's defence manifesto talks about pedal powered tanks, armed with catapults?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 18:54:03 GMT
Is it true that the Green Party's defence manifesto talks about pedal powered tanks, armed with catapults? Catapults? Don't be silly you could have someone's eye out with one of them! |
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Post by pirateman on Jan 6, 2016 18:56:16 GMT
Is it true that the Green Party's defence manifesto talks about pedal powered tanks, armed with catapults? Catapults? Don't be silly you could have someone's eye out with one of them! Sorry, I forgot. The greens' idea of defence would be to offer the invaders counselling and an anger management course. |
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Post by inee on Jan 6, 2016 19:31:56 GMT
Catapults? Don't be silly you could have someone's eye out with one of them! Sorry, I forgot. The greens' idea of defence would be to offer the invaders counselling and an anger management course. Funny you should mention that ,have a read of their manifesto ,not only will we lose any kind of defence ,we will also loose our national identity and anyone will be able to become a citizen ,their answer to terrorists is literally holding discussions ,oh and if you are lucky enough to own a company and employ people ,sell it before they get power as their suggestions for workers co-ops are unnerving to sat the least |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 6, 2016 22:05:32 GMT
Sorry, I forgot. The greens' idea of defence would be to offer the invaders counselling and an anger management course. Funny you should mention that ,have a read of their manifesto ,not only will we lose any kind of defence ,we will also loose our national identity and anyone will be able to become a citizen ,their answer to terrorists is literally holding discussions ,oh and if you are lucky enough to own a company and employ people ,sell it before they get power as their suggestions for workers co-ops are unnerving to sat the least I hate the Co Op. Always a queue. |
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Post by baggins on Jan 7, 2016 12:05:18 GMT
Funny you should mention that ,have a read of their manifesto ,not only will we lose any kind of defence ,we will also loose our national identity and anyone will be able to become a citizen ,their answer to terrorists is literally holding discussions ,oh and if you are lucky enough to own a company and employ people ,sell it before they get power as their suggestions for workers co-ops are unnerving to sat the least I hate the Co Op. Always a queue. No Q in Co-Op. Just C's, O's and P's. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 12:10:41 GMT
I hate the Co Op. Always a queue. No Q in Co-Op. Just C's, O's and P's. No Mr Pedant, you are wrong. There is only one 'C' and one 'P'. There are not 'P's' nor 'C's'. Sober up. |
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Post by baggins on Jan 7, 2016 12:14:21 GMT
No Q in Co-Op. Just C's, O's and P's. No Mr Pedant, you are wrong. There is only one 'C' and one 'P'. There are not 'P's' nor 'C's'. Sober up. I allocated the extra C to you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 12:19:37 GMT
No Mr Pedant, you are wrong. There is only one 'C' and one 'P'. There are not 'P's' nor 'C's'. Sober up. I allocated the extra C to you. I thought it was just your stutter. |
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Post by baggins on Jan 7, 2016 12:29:35 GMT
I allocated the extra C to you. I thought it was just your stutter. N n n n nope. |
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Post by inee on Jan 7, 2016 16:39:21 GMT
Funny you should mention that ,have a read of their manifesto ,not only will we lose any kind of defence ,we will also loose our national identity and anyone will be able to become a citizen ,their answer to terrorists is literally holding discussions ,oh and if you are lucky enough to own a company and employ people ,sell it before they get power as their suggestions for workers co-ops are unnerving to sat the least I hate the Co Op. Always a queue. Good one made i larf but i kid you not, if the greens get in i can see so many small and medium companies laying everyone off as that would be in the best interests of the owners. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 7, 2016 22:23:06 GMT
No money in the pot. Basically the extension programme is taking cr2 up to 2035. Will end up getting a new thermal sight and not a lot else. Considering the British army only have 3 main battle tank regiments. Don't know if you are up for answering inane questions, but I would be interested to know if you have had any experience of the new CTA40 gun and your view on the Ajax. Could another tank regiment be converted or would two be too few for training and operations? Thanks. |
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