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Post by Officer Barbrady on Mar 6, 2016 17:46:08 GMT
Um OK, thanks for your in put. Well, thanks for your thanks. Tom Lockyer is first on mine followed by Sinclair, We are short of an alternative at LB and tbf Lee Brown is/has done a good job. I like him but don't think he's as great as you do. Now, any chance of having a public debate without you behaving like an appendage? bit rich isn't it? You didn't offer much in the way of any explanation worth debating to begin with... Anyway, I'm going to fence sit on this one. I strongly believe he is above average for this league and could easily play a division higher. The consistency you get from Lee is worth its weight in gold but he ain't shy of an attacking move either. I think he is probably a little less dynamic than last season as he and Monkhouse linked up well but still, he scores the odd goal and doesn't get caught out very often at the back. Couldn't ask for much more. Wouldn't be my first on the team sheet but that's only because we have lockyer. He's a solid second though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 18:27:04 GMT
Well, thanks for your thanks. Tom Lockyer is first on mine followed by Sinclair, We are short of an alternative at LB and tbf Lee Brown is/has done a good job. I like him but don't think he's as great as you do. Now, any chance of having a public debate without you behaving like an appendage? bit rich isn't it? You didn't offer much in the way of any explanation worth debating to begin with... Anyway, I'm going to fence sit on this one. I strongly believe he is above average for this league and could easily play a division higher. The consistency you get from Lee is worth its weight in gold but he ain't shy of an attacking move either. I think he is probably a little less dynamic than last season as he and Monkhouse linked up well but still, he scores the odd goal and doesn't get caught out very often at the back. Couldn't ask for much more. Wouldn't be my first on the team sheet but that's only because we have lockyer. He's a solid second though. "bit rich isn't it? You didn't offer much in the way of any explanation worth debating to begin with..." That was his point, he wanted me to have a "bite" something I didn't do, so he sort of had ago, to get get be biting again....
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 6, 2016 19:36:59 GMT
True but I remain convinced about Lee B playing we would not have gone down. UTG!! I'm glad we went down. We deserved it and it has rejuvenated us. Sometimes you have to take a step backwards. With hindsight you may be right but if we hadn't come straight back up then..... Don't know if we deserved relegation. After all who is "we"? The club/ board and manager were sleepwalking into it, half the players couldn't be ar*** and Ward, the manager never thought it would happen and then walked away with a few games left. Most of the players left thankfully and by the end of May 14 only Clarke, the players we wanted and the FANS were left. They were the "we" and I'm not sure they deserved it. However it was was it was and as you say we have certainly taken a step or two forwards. But if Lee B hadn't been injured on May 2 I still don't think we would have gone down. But we have had a great 2 years and we must look forwards and not look backwards. UTG!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 20:00:40 GMT
bit rich isn't it? You didn't offer much in the way of any explanation worth debating to begin with... Anyway, I'm going to fence sit on this one. I strongly believe he is above average for this league and could easily play a division higher. The consistency you get from Lee is worth its weight in gold but he ain't shy of an attacking move either. I think he is probably a little less dynamic than last season as he and Monkhouse linked up well but still, he scores the odd goal and doesn't get caught out very often at the back. Couldn't ask for much more. Wouldn't be my first on the team sheet but that's only because we have lockyer. He's a solid second though. "bit rich isn't it? You didn't offer much in the way of any explanation worth debating to begin with..." That was his point, he wanted me to have a "bite" something I didn't do, so he sort of had ago, to get get be biting again.... Yeah mate. Im only playing.. but I think LB is just ok. Important for us mind, but not great.
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Post by c4h10 on Mar 6, 2016 22:30:12 GMT
Loads of posts on here earlier in the week to say how poor Hartlepool were, apart from the right-winger who was their best player. Browner coped with him well, and still got forward to make some telling passes/crosses. I don't think there are many better left-backs in this division. (I see 'pools won 3-1 away at Barnet).
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Post by supergas on Mar 7, 2016 2:46:19 GMT
I'm glad we went down. We deserved it and it has rejuvenated us. Sometimes you have to take a step backwards. With hindsight you may be right but if we hadn't come straight back up then..... Don't know if we deserved relegation. After all who is "we"? The club/ board and manager were sleepwalking into it, half the players couldn't be ar*** and Ward, the manager never thought it would happen and then walked away with a few games left. Most of the players left thankfully and by the end of May 14 only Clarke, the players we wanted and the FANS were left. They were the "we" and I'm not sure they deserved it. However it was was it was and as you say we have certainly taken a step or two forwards. But if Lee B hadn't been injured on May 2 I still don't think we would have gone down. But we have had a great 2 years and we must look forwards and not look backwards. UTG!! Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We'd had two rubbish years previously in League Two (and were on what I'm beginning to call the Leeds/Stockport spiral...) and whilst there was no one single reason for this, you've listed at least four reasons why it did. If we'd been any other club with any other fanbase we'd have probably lost 2000+ home fans two seasons before and either gone bankrupt in 2013 or gone down too soon (ie still on the Leeds/Stockport spiral).... ...thankfully we fluked DC because of a random phone conversation. The rest is waiting to be written, but whilst i love looking forwards, never forget to look back or to compare to others....
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 7, 2016 9:13:59 GMT
With hindsight you may be right but if we hadn't come straight back up then..... Don't know if we deserved relegation. After all who is "we"? The club/ board and manager were sleepwalking into it, half the players couldn't be ar*** and Ward, the manager never thought it would happen and then walked away with a few games left. Most of the players left thankfully and by the end of May 14 only Clarke, the players we wanted and the FANS were left. They were the "we" and I'm not sure they deserved it. However it was was it was and as you say we have certainly taken a step or two forwards. But if Lee B hadn't been injured on May 2 I still don't think we would have gone down. But we have had a great 2 years and we must look forwards and not look backwards. UTG!! Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We'd had two rubbish years previously in League Two (and were on what I'm beginning to call the Leeds/Stockport spiral...) and whilst there was no one single reason for this, you've listed at least four reasons why it did. If we'd been any other club with any other fanbase we'd have probably lost 2000+ home fans two seasons before and either gone bankrupt in 2013 or gone down too soon (ie still on the Leeds/Stockport spiral).... ...thankfully we fluked DC because of a random phone conversation. The rest is waiting to be written, but whilst i love looking forwards, never forget to look back or to compare to others.... Spot on. As to spiral yes we could have been a Stockport and over half the clubs in National League were once League clubs and also Tranmere after 2 successive relegations. Thankfully DC came and t he board for that season kept their nerve! UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 9:54:01 GMT
I agree. I think he seems like a nice guy, he's clearly very professional, he also seemed to show some impressive loyalty to the club when we were relegated (although who knows what his options were) but in terms of footballing ability I think he's pretty average. Defensively I think he's actually below average and I'm always nervous whenever we play anyone with a right-sided player with a bit of pace. Not a popular opinion on this forum though. This. He could have left when we went down quite easily. He will be remembered fondly always because of this. On top of this, even if you remove the clouds of respect because he is loyal and the tint of familiarity you always have for a long term servant he is still the best left back we have had in living memory for some. If his contribution to the team is purely measured in a professional sense, he is still one of the first names on the team sheet. What I particularly enjoy when watching Lee Brown is he has the ability to out think opponents on the wings if he has another player who has a football brain with him. I have always seen Lee Browns one "fault" is he could have a little more pace for a wing player. When he is teamed up with a monkey type player then little triangles are formed and you always feel Lee is ahead of most l2 players in his mind and can always see the ball to play and the place to move in to. He doesn't skin full backs but gently prises his way to the dead ball line. Also, when he as Parkes around they can play their way out of trouble well, again both players knowing where to move to create routes out of danger. If he had a yard more pace he would be long gone at a championship club, but I am really pleased we have him. He's also in possession of a good winning attitude and has immense stamina to get up and down, and chips in with a few goals to boot. Can't speak highly enough of him.
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Post by socrates on Mar 7, 2016 10:26:43 GMT
I agree. I think he seems like a nice guy, he's clearly very professional, he also seemed to show some impressive loyalty to the club when we were relegated (although who knows what his options were) but in terms of footballing ability I think he's pretty average. Defensively I think he's actually below average and I'm always nervous whenever we play anyone with a right-sided player with a bit of pace. Not a popular opinion on this forum though. This. He could have left when we went down quite easily. He will be remembered fondly always because of this. On top of this, even if you remove the clouds of respect because he is loyal and the tint of familiarity you always have for a long term servant he is still the best left back we have had in living memory for some. If his contribution to the team is purely measured in a professional sense, he is still one of the first names on the team sheet. What I particularly enjoy when watching Lee Brown is he has the ability to out think opponents on the wings if he has another player who has a football brain with him. I have always seen Lee Browns one "fault" is he could have a little more pace for a wing player. When he is teamed up with a monkey type player then little triangles are formed and you always feel Lee is ahead of most l2 players in his mind and can always see the ball to play and the place to move in to. He doesn't skin full backs but gently prises his way to the dead ball line. Also, when he as Parkes around they can play their way out of trouble well, again both players knowing where to move to create routes out of danger. If he had a yard more pace he would be long gone at a championship club, but I am really pleased we have him. He's also in possession of a good winning attitude and has immense stamina to get up and down, and chips in with a few goals to boot. Can't speak highly enough of him. I like Lee brown but best Rovers left back in living memory ?!!!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 7, 2016 11:05:25 GMT
This. He could have left when we went down quite easily. He will be remembered fondly always because of this. On top of this, even if you remove the clouds of respect because he is loyal and the tint of familiarity you always have for a long term servant he is still the best left back we have had in living memory for some. If his contribution to the team is purely measured in a professional sense, he is still one of the first names on the team sheet. What I particularly enjoy when watching Lee Brown is he has the ability to out think opponents on the wings if he has another player who has a football brain with him. I have always seen Lee Browns one "fault" is he could have a little more pace for a wing player. When he is teamed up with a monkey type player then little triangles are formed and you always feel Lee is ahead of most l2 players in his mind and can always see the ball to play and the place to move in to. He doesn't skin full backs but gently prises his way to the dead ball line. Also, when he as Parkes around they can play their way out of trouble well, again both players knowing where to move to create routes out of danger. If he had a yard more pace he would be long gone at a championship club, but I am really pleased we have him. He's also in possession of a good winning attitude and has immense stamina to get up and down, and chips in with a few goals to boot. Can't speak highly enough of him. I like Lee brown but best Rovers left back in living memory ?!!! Maybe he's 4 years old?
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Post by fanboy on Mar 7, 2016 11:11:00 GMT
I agree. I think he seems like a nice guy, he's clearly very professional, he also seemed to show some impressive loyalty to the club when we were relegated (although who knows what his options were) but in terms of footballing ability I think he's pretty average. Defensively I think he's actually below average and I'm always nervous whenever we play anyone with a right-sided player with a bit of pace. Not a popular opinion on this forum though. This. He could have left when we went down quite easily. He will be remembered fondly always because of this. On top of this, even if you remove the clouds of respect because he is loyal and the tint of familiarity you always have for a long term servant he is still the best left back we have had in living memory for some. If his contribution to the team is purely measured in a professional sense, he is still one of the first names on the team sheet. What I particularly enjoy when watching Lee Brown is he has the ability to out think opponents on the wings if he has another player who has a football brain with him. I have always seen Lee Browns one "fault" is he could have a little more pace for a wing player. When he is teamed up with a monkey type player then little triangles are formed and you always feel Lee is ahead of most l2 players in his mind and can always see the ball to play and the place to move in to. He doesn't skin full backs but gently prises his way to the dead ball line. Also, when he as Parkes around they can play their way out of trouble well, again both players knowing where to move to create routes out of danger. If he had a yard more pace he would be long gone at a championship club, but I am really pleased we have him. He's also in possession of a good winning attitude and has immense stamina to get up and down, and chips in with a few goals to boot. Can't speak highly enough of him. I completely agree - he's just that TINY bit too slow. Annoying really as like you say he would be outstanding if he had that little bit more. Still quality though, has a good footballing brain on him.
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Post by mehewmagic on Mar 7, 2016 13:44:48 GMT
Loads of posts on here earlier in the week to say how poor Hartlepool were, apart from the right-winger who was their best player. Browner coped with him well, and still got forward to make some telling passes/crosses. I don't think there are many better left-backs in this division. (I see 'pools won 3-1 away at Barnet). stop using evidence please. we prefers lynchings on 'ere.
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This. He could have left when we went down quite easily. He will be remembered fondly always because of this. On top of this, even if you remove the clouds of respect because he is loyal and the tint of familiarity you always have for a long term servant he is still the best left back we have had in living memory for some. If his contribution to the team is purely measured in a professional sense, he is still one of the first names on the team sheet. What I particularly enjoy when watching Lee Brown is he has the ability to out think opponents on the wings if he has another player who has a football brain with him. I have always seen Lee Browns one "fault" is he could have a little more pace for a wing player. When he is teamed up with a monkey type player then little triangles are formed and you always feel Lee is ahead of most l2 players in his mind and can always see the ball to play and the place to move in to. He doesn't skin full backs but gently prises his way to the dead ball line. Also, when he as Parkes around they can play their way out of trouble well, again both players knowing where to move to create routes out of danger. If he had a yard more pace he would be long gone at a championship club, but I am really pleased we have him. He's also in possession of a good winning attitude and has immense stamina to get up and down, and chips in with a few goals to boot. Can't speak highly enough of him. I like Lee brown but best Rovers left back in living memory ?!!! Kids who started coming down in 07? Caruthers or lescott? Lescott was a good player but still rather have Lee brown personally. Trying to think of another in my living memory but all I have is pethick or Gurney. Any advances on our best left back chums?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 7, 2016 21:55:22 GMT
Trevor Challis, probably.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 22:25:27 GMT
Robbie Ryan for a few games... But my favourite unsung hero(who played both full back positions) was Aaron Lescott.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 22:30:04 GMT
Lindsay Parsons, more probably.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Mar 7, 2016 22:34:33 GMT
Vaughan Jones was a great servant to the club over a long period of time, playing exclusively in higher leagues than Brown has done for us. He was a very strong captain, solid defensively and had a cultured left foot. That was 25 years ago, though....
I'm struggling to think of a better left back since then. Brown is solid defensively, offers goals, assists and has been almost ever present for 5 seasons. That's pretty good going, in anyone's book.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 22:39:15 GMT
Don't forget Jocky Alexander.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 22:42:26 GMT
Fullbacks aren't allowed to tackle like back in the day,so it is hard to compare. Lee brown is one of the better attacking leftbacks we've had,Lescot was good but not left footed so not as good going forward imo.Vaughn Jones was the best for me,defended well attacked well,and was a leader on the pitch
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Post by miltongas on Mar 8, 2016 1:58:59 GMT
Don't forget Jocky Alexander. Jocky was a right back. Vaughan Jones was left back and the best I've seen in the blue and white quarters.
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