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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 16:49:21 GMT
We drew 2-2 after the changes so it made every difference. Leadbitter wouldn't have made any difference as it was being overrun in midfield which was causing us problems. Oh great. I'm over the moon about drawing a match that we lost. How many points did we get for it? About as many points as Taylor's goals have earned us. Notwithstanding penalties that don't count anyway.
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Post by socrates on Mar 29, 2016 17:33:33 GMT
I'm not necessarily sure I agree. This "each game is a project" idea is all very modern and progressive and popular with young coaches but I think there's a huge danger of over-complicating things. "Don't change a winning team" is a cliche but that's because there's a lot of truth in it. We kept a clean sheet and scored three goals against Cambridge, so is he just always looking to make changes? Unless there's something really specific, like a type of winger who has a particular attribute, then maybe there's justification for changing the full back. Doesn't mean you need to do it every week though. He changed a side that kept a clean sheet and we conceded three goals, so maybe that speaks for itself. The really specific difference was Carlisle were going to lob long balls at our defence all game so the one change was meant to help aerial threats. It didn't work, but it's worked a lot of the times this season Also he changed a winning team and then we went on to beat Cambridge 3-0 but these things rarely get mentioned. The changing a winning team thing only seems to be a problem when we lose. There's always a problem when you lose obviously but it's not necessarily because he changed it, sometimes it would be madness to keep an unchanged side because of fatigue , injuries etc. I'm just glad that it's changing a winning team that people are complaining about and not playing a center half up front or strikers as wingers in a crazy formation that doesn't suit the players. Our boss is tactically very astute and a fantastic man manager and he gets it right a hell of a lot more than he gets it wrong. Bring on Crawley.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Mar 29, 2016 18:27:29 GMT
We drew 2-2 after the changes so it made every difference. Leadbitter wouldn't have made any difference as it was being overrun in midfield which was causing us problems. Oh great. I'm over the moon about drawing a match that we lost. How many points did we get for it? When did I say you should be over the moon? You just keep banging on about changing the team but apart from one change in personal the team was exactly the same as Friday. And that same system you keep saying we should have kept was going to result in a thrashing judging by the opening half hour.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 29, 2016 18:44:34 GMT
Whether DC got it right or wrong yesterday it's still baffling how a team who hadn't won in at least the previous 6 games managed to put 3 goals past us. Perhaps a player like Trotman would have helped shore up our defence.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 18:55:41 GMT
Whether DC got it right or wrong yesterday it's still baffling how a team who hadn't won in at least the previous 6 games managed to put 3 goals past us. Perhaps a player like Trotman would have helped shore up our defence. Is it really? This is league 2, stranger things have happened. Hardly baffling. Newport were shìte when they stuck 4 past us at the Mem. It happens.
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Post by lpgas on Mar 29, 2016 19:49:10 GMT
WE ARE Bristol ROVERS AND WE HAVE BEEN ENDING OTHER TEAMS BAD RUNS SINCE 1883.
and the cliché is not "don't change a winning team, it is " a winning team picks itself".
I wonder how many team changes they have at Northampton?
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 29, 2016 19:52:23 GMT
Whether DC got it right or wrong yesterday it's still baffling how a team who hadn't won in at least the previous 6 games managed to put 3 goals past us. Perhaps a player like Trotman would have helped shore up our defence. Is it really?This is league 2, stranger things have happened. Hardly baffling. Newport were shìte when they stuck 4 past us at the Mem. It happens. TBH yes, looking at those 6 games they've even struggled to score more than once, as far as Newport we were pplaying poorly as a team then and had a dodgy goalkeeping display and Parkes having another mare of a game.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 29, 2016 19:52:33 GMT
Whether DC got it right or wrong yesterday it's still baffling how a team who hadn't won in at least the previous 6 games managed to put 3 goals past us. Perhaps a player like Trotman would have helped shore up our defence. Is it really?This is league 2, stranger things have happened. Hardly baffling. Newport were shìte when they stuck 4 past us at the Mem. It happens. TBH yes, looking at those 6 games they've even struggled to score more than once, as far as Newport we were pplaying poorly as a team then and had a dodgy goalkeeping display and Parkes having another mare of a game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 19:56:11 GMT
Is it really?This is league 2, stranger things have happened. Hardly baffling. Newport were shìte when they stuck 4 past us at the Mem. It happens. TBH yes, looking at those 6 games they've even struggled to score more than once, as far as Newport we were pplaying poorly as a team then and had a dodgy goalkeeping display and Parkes having another mare of a game. You forgot to mention that Taylor missed several straightforward chances in that particular game.Chances that, had he taken would see him close to 30 goals for the season. Who was the last player to achieve that feat?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 19:59:40 GMT
The really specific difference was Carlisle were going to lob long balls at our defence all game so the one change was meant to help aerial threats. It didn't work, but it's worked a lot of the times this season Also he changed a winning team and then we went on to beat Cambridge 3-0 but these things rarely get mentioned. The changing a winning team thing only seems to be a problem when we lose.There's always a problem when you lose obviously but it's not necessarily because he changed it, sometimes it would be madness to keep an unchanged side because of fatigue , injuries etc. I'm just glad that it's changing a winning team that people are complaining about and not playing a center half up front or strikers as wingers in a crazy formation that doesn't suit the players. Our boss is tactically very astute and a fantastic man manager and he gets it right a hell of a lot more than he gets it wrong. Bring on Crawley. That kind of goes without saying doesn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 20:18:08 GMT
Is it really?This is league 2, stranger things have happened. Hardly baffling. Newport were shìte when they stuck 4 past us at the Mem. It happens. TBH yes, looking at those 6 games they've even struggled to score more than once, as far as Newport we were pplaying poorly as a team then and had a dodgy goalkeeping display and Parkes having another mare of a game. Well you're easily baffled. Would advise against watching Jeff Stelling on a Saturday..
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Post by supergas on Mar 30, 2016 8:59:53 GMT
TBH yes, looking at those 6 games they've even struggled to score more than once, as far as Newport we were pplaying poorly as a team then and had a dodgy goalkeeping display and Parkes having another mare of a game. You forgot to mention that Taylor missed several straightforward chances in that particular game.Chances that, had he taken would see him close to 30 goals for the season. Who was the last player to achieve that feat? OK, let's play the game. The last Rovers player to score 30 league goals in a season was Alfie Biggs in 63–64. Incidentally, know how many players since then have scored more League goals in a season that Matty already has in this one? Alfie Biggs (23) in 66-67. Bruce Bannister (25) in 72-73. Jamie Cureton (25) in 98-99. Rickie Lambert (29) in 08-09. I'd argue (looking at that list) that i) he's in good company and ii) he could still overtake all of those....
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 30, 2016 10:43:34 GMT
What you've overlooked is all those former players had an 100% chances to conversion rate!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 10:48:45 GMT
You forgot to mention that Taylor missed several straightforward chances in that particular game.Chances that, had he taken would see him close to 30 goals for the season. Who was the last player to achieve that feat? OK, let's play the game. The last Rovers player to score 30 league goals in a season was Alfie Biggs in 63–64. Incidentally, know how many players since then have scored more League goals in a season that Matty already has in this one? Alfie Biggs (23) in 66-67. Bruce Bannister (25) in 72-73. Jamie Cureton (25) in 98-99. Rickie Lambert (29) in 08-09. I'd argue (looking at that list) that i) he's in good company and ii) he could still overtake all of those.... Hope you've discounted penalties in those figures.
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Post by RD on Mar 30, 2016 11:03:35 GMT
What baffles me is the number of people who criticise DC for changing the team too often.
We were 3rd in League Two 90 minutes prior to Saturday's incredibly undeserved defeat and we are 5th as we speak - surely that's proof enough that DCs tinkering works.
Don't get me wrong:
1) This is a forum 2) DC isn't beyond criticism - no-one is for that matter
What is sad though is that after one defeat - having just won 6 on the bounce - the usual suspects come out of the woodwork spouting their usual cr*p.
Everyone's entitled to opinion, but if your opinion is that "DC is clueless" or "Mattee Taylor is useless" then you clearly know absolutely nothing about football and therefore your opinion is genuinely worthless. Feel free to express it, just know that is's absolutely meaningless.
Rant over.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 30, 2016 11:15:32 GMT
What baffles me is the number of people who criticise DC for changing the team too often. We were 3rd in League Two 90 minutes prior to Saturday's incredibly undeserved defeat and we are 5th as we speak - surely that's proof enough that DCs tinkering works. Don't get me wrong: 1) This is a forum 2) DC isn't beyond criticism - no-one is for that matter What is sad though is that after one defeat - having just won 6 on the bounce - the usual suspects come out of the woodwork spouting their usual cr*p. Everyone's entitled to opinion, but if your opinion is that "DC is clueless" or "Mattee Taylor is useless" then you clearly know absolutely nothing about football and therefore your opinion is genuinely worthless. Feel free to express it, just know that is's absolutely meaningless.Rant over. Agree, unfortunately that is not an opinion. It is just attention seeking nonsense. (Just my opinion!)
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Post by supergas on Mar 30, 2016 13:57:14 GMT
What baffles me is the number of people who criticise DC for changing the team too often. We were 3rd in League Two 90 minutes prior to Saturday's incredibly undeserved defeat and we are 5th as we speak - surely that's proof enough that DCs tinkering works. Don't get me wrong: 1) This is a forum 2) DC isn't beyond criticism - no-one is for that matter What is sad though is that after one defeat - having just won 6 on the bounce - the usual suspects come out of the woodwork spouting their usual cr*p. Everyone's entitled to opinion, but if your opinion is that "DC is clueless" or "Mattee Taylor is useless" then you clearly know absolutely nothing about football and therefore your opinion is genuinely worthless. Feel free to express it, just know that is's absolutely meaningless. Rant over. Agree, unfortunately that is not an opinion. It is just attention seeking nonsense.(Just my opinion!) I agree, especially given most of us could have guessed exactly what was going to be said (and by whom) well before they actually posted it...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 14:01:44 GMT
If we had won (which we could have done at 2-2) then it'd be 'genius DC'. As it was, we lost.
DC's attacking mindset and tinkering have won us more points than they've lost this season.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 14:33:05 GMT
We were playing a 4-4-2 and getting totally over run and DC was spot on with changing it.
We went 4-3-1-2 with the 3 being a narrow three man midfield of Bodin, Lawrence and Lines. Easter was dropping into the 3 when needed but also joining Taylor and Gaffeny when needed in attack. It instantly worked, as soon as those subs were made we changed the game and we're all over them.
It's team game, I don't feel sorry for anyone bar DC and the 671 travelling fans who were let down by pub team defending from Macca and Parkes.
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Post by bornblue on Mar 30, 2016 16:00:45 GMT
I went to Carlisle on Monday, and it was defending that let us down, not DC formations or changes that cost us that game, for the last 20 minutes Rovers absolutely peppered their goal, Easter hit the post and the keeper brought of about 5 great saves(not in the highlights) but football is a cruel game and they went down the other end and scored, even though they lost, Rovers were a constant threat, and any other day the game could of went our way, it was far easier driving the 250 miles home knowing rovers attacked most of the game played some lovely football and not like I'm years gone by played 1 up front sitting on the edge of our own 18yard box and loosing one nil, I'm positive with Lockyer coming back for Saturday we will start another good run
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