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Post by oldgas on Apr 4, 2016 20:37:35 GMT
Following the leaking of details regarding mega rich tycoons hiding their wealth through the Panamanian offshore investment arrangements, wouldn't it be funny if Saint Sir Steve, the Duke of Gurnsey was revealed to have availed himself of their services.
That would have the Teds crapping themselves, because if HMRC went after the sainted one for a huge whack of back tax, that would mean less money to fritter away on the men's football section of the Bristol Sport franchise.
oh please, let it happen!
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Post by oldtoteender on Apr 4, 2016 20:46:02 GMT
Lets hope our new owner hasn't.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 4, 2016 20:51:12 GMT
Lets hope our new owner hasn't. Knowing our luck that's probably more likely although Jordan itself seems like some kind of banking nation for the middle east! Given SL is already a tax exile I'm not sure what he'd actually gain hiding already offshore money offshore? |
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Post by lulworthgas on Apr 4, 2016 22:00:13 GMT
He was worth 570 million when he went to gurnsey. Worth a lot more now! A lot easier to make money when you don't pay tax to the country your wealth is made.
Of course I to would be a hell of a lot better off to the tune of 40 grand over the same time period if I didn't pay tax and NI.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 4, 2016 22:09:42 GMT
Given that Dwane Sports is registered in Jersey I think it's time we moved on from worrying about SL's tax affairs.
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Post by lulworthgas on Apr 4, 2016 22:20:05 GMT
Given that Dwane Sports is registered in Jersey I think it's time we moved on from worrying about SL's tax affairs. They are a brand new company that has never made a penny, nor likely to, in the uk. Unlike a ftse100 company who's profits have seen one of the major shareholders wealth quadruple to over 2 billion depriving the public purse a fair few quid. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 22:41:39 GMT
Given that Dwane Sports is registered in Jersey I think it's time we moved on from worrying about SL's tax affairs. They are a brand new company that has never made a penny, nor likely to, in the uk. Unlike a ftse100 company who's profits have seen one of the major shareholders wealth quadruple to over 2 billion depriving the public purse a fair few quid. Indeed, completely different circumstances. |
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Post by gassince1957 on Apr 5, 2016 14:58:25 GMT
Unfortunately SL has done nothing illegal nor probably have most of the British people named. If I had millions in my bank account I would do all I could to avoid tax within the law. Immoral, yes, illegal no. Obviously the Brinks Mat proceeds laundering would count as illegal. Also someone needs to go after whoever leaked the details - property theft and all that!
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Post by yattongas on Apr 5, 2016 15:13:56 GMT
Unfortunately SL has done nothing illegal nor probably have most of the British people named. If I had millions in my bank account I would do all I could to avoid tax within the law. Immoral, yes, illegal no. Obviously the Brinks Mat proceeds laundering would count as illegal. Also someone needs to go after whoever leaked the details - property theft and all that! If I had millions in the bank I'd pay all my taxes. Why ? Cos I had millions in the bank and I'm not a selfish greedy tosser |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 5, 2016 15:19:22 GMT
Given that Dwane Sports is registered in Jersey I think it's time we moved on from worrying about SL's tax affairs. They are a brand new company that has never made a penny, nor likely to, in the uk. Unlike a ftse100 company who's profits have seen one of the major shareholders wealth quadruple to over 2 billion depriving the public purse a fair few quid. Hargreaves Lansdown and Steve Lansdown are two surely separate entities? I can't recall there's any suggestions the former don't pay their full UK taxes. The latter is entitled to do what he wants as long as it remains legal. As far as Dwane Sports why register a company in a Jersey if it wasn't for tax purposes, why not just register it at companies house? |
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Post by oldgas on Apr 5, 2016 16:16:09 GMT
Lets hope our new owner hasn't. Knowing our luck that's probably more likely although Jordan itself seems like some kind of banking nation for the middle east! Given SL is already a tax exile I'm not sure what he'd actually gain hiding already offshore money offshore? That's the point though, isn't it? The Al-Quadis are Jordanian, they have made their fortune in Jordan and therefore their liabilities are to the Jordanian government and exchequer. Saint Sir Steve on the other hand is British. He has made his fortune through his business in the UK. He already has form for tax avoidance by being domicile in Guernsey, so I think there's every likelihood of him having made use of offshore investment opportunities to further "avoid" his tax responsibilities. This is very selfish of him when you think about it. By his actions he is directly depriving the supporters of his "beloved" Bristol City ( Bristol(City) Evning Post) description, of vital benefits and other state handouts. No doubt meaning that many of the waifs and strays of South Bristol have to go without their milk because Daddy (if he can be found) has spent the money on match tickets and boozing in the 3 Lions. |
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Post by gassince1957 on Apr 5, 2016 18:42:59 GMT
Unfortunately SL has done nothing illegal nor probably have most of the British people named. If I had millions in my bank account I would do all I could to avoid tax within the law. Immoral, yes, illegal no. Obviously the Brinks Mat proceeds laundering would count as illegal. Also someone needs to go after whoever leaked the details - property theft and all that! If I had millions in the bank I'd pay all my taxes. Why ? Cos I had millions in the bank and I'm not a selfish greedy tosser Good for you - I obviously am a selfish, greedy tosser (or at least would be if I had the money to be!). The way SL probably sees it is that he has paid all the legal taxes for years - and he only moved to Guernsey when Labour, in the last couple of weeks of their government, stuck up the highest rate of tax, purely so they could whinge when the Conservatives reduced it. I have no love for SL and would love it if it was proved he has/had acted illegally, but I don't think he has. HMRC are frankly a useless organisation who leave gaping holes in their rules which of course will be exploited by those who can afford to exploit them. |
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Post by Gastroenteritis on Apr 5, 2016 18:52:33 GMT
Couldn't give a sh#t if Waels main business was the illegal trade of blood diamonds, as long he manages the gas to success I will approve.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 5, 2016 20:27:36 GMT
Knowing our luck that's probably more likely although Jordan itself seems like some kind of banking nation for the middle east! Given SL is already a tax exile I'm not sure what he'd actually gain hiding already offshore money offshore? That's the point though, isn't it? The Al-Quadis are Jordanian, they have made their fortune in Jordan and therefore their liabilities are to the Jordanian government and exchequer. Saint Sir Steve on the other hand is British. He has made his fortune through his business in the UK. He already has form for tax avoidance by being domicile in Guernsey, so I think there's every likelihood of him having made use of offshore investment opportunities to further "avoid" his tax responsibilities. This is very selfish of him when you think about it. By his actions he is directly depriving the supporters of his "beloved" Bristol City ( Bristol(City) Evning Post) description, of vital benefits and other state handouts. No doubt meaning that many of the waifs and strays of South Bristol have to go without their milk because Daddy (if he can be found) has spent the money on match tickets ann the 3 Lions. Think you are confusing illegal tax avoidance with clever, legal, tax accounting, linking SL to the Panama tax fraud w/o a shred of evidence is a dangerous game. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 21:01:06 GMT
Unfortunately SL has done nothing illegal nor probably have most of the British people named. If I had millions in my bank account I would do all I could to avoid tax within the law. Immoral, yes, illegal no. Obviously the Brinks Mat proceeds laundering would count as illegal. Also someone needs to go after whoever leaked the details - property theft and all that! If I had millions in the bank I'd pay all my taxes. Why ? Cos I had millions in the bank and I'm not a selfish greedy tosser No you wouldn't. Even politicians who encourage compliance often are caught out, as are pro state education politicians sending their kids to private education. We are all completely corrupt and wait until you get into that position and see what happens. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 21:14:18 GMT
Here are some things tax pays for:
Bombs for middle Eastern children who wander on to one of the oilfields we want control of.
Massive payments to corrupt African dictators.
Vast sums to prop up failed banking businesses whilst the common rotter pays the bill.
BMW M5s and 3 series for police to sit around on motorway bridges pointing cameras at you etc.
Planning officials which decide who is allowed to fulfil their God given right to build a home for their families on private land.
Massively incompetent civil and public services.
A meagre health service which only provides good quality rapid care for serious illnessss, with anything less than life threatening often requiring extra private funding.
A pensions system systematically robbed over decades providing barely enough for old folks to heat their homes and eat.
I'm not too sure on why tax is such a sacrosanct thing - it's required no doubt but so many unwanted things get wrapped up in it. When they want your money from your pay its all about being egalitarian, the welfare state, the NHS. Don't mention the corporate wars when they have their cheque book open!
So, when people avoid some of their tax, perhaps they're paying the NHS bit, but withholding the bombs and bullets funding?
This scam has been going for years. The sheriff of Nottingham wanted his taxes - presumably most of the serfs were policing each other as we do nowadays? Or have they got so clever at this racket they've got us demanding the sherif of Nottingham gets his full revenue, and were shopping both Starbucks and scroungers these days....
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Post by yattongas on Apr 5, 2016 21:16:38 GMT
If I had millions in the bank I'd pay all my taxes. Why ? Cos I had millions in the bank and I'm not a selfish greedy tosser No you wouldn't. Even politicians who encourage compliance often are caught out, as are pro state education politicians sending their kids to private education. We are all completely corrupt and wait until you get into that position and see what happens. We're not all completely corrupt thanks , and yes I would. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 21:25:22 GMT
No you wouldn't. Even politicians who encourage compliance often are caught out, as are pro state education politicians sending their kids to private education. We are all completely corrupt and wait until you get into that position and see what happens. We're not all completely corrupt thanks , and yes I would. You are in denial. If not, you should be promoted to run the place as the world has yet to find angels who don't get corrupted by money and power. Dead easy to say if you're not a millionaire. Just like its dead easy to say how terrible Tiger Woods was when you aren't a billionaire....or these footballers that get caught doing x y z....people are fallible and every attempt to find people who don't abuse their power, wealth or status in some way are like finding Jim Davidsons contributions to feminism. I'm not having a dig personally mate and I'm sure you'd dig paying tens of thousands of tax that you could easily avoid using a pen and a form. the majority of people, the most staunchest tax advocates included tend to say one thing and do another - especially when people have kids. Kids are the number one justificatioin for people being selfish |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 21:49:12 GMT
Here are some things tax pays for: Bombs for middle Eastern children who wander on to one of the oilfields we want control of. Massive payments to corrupt African dictators. Vast sums to prop up failed banking businesses whilst the common rotter pays the bill. BMW M5s and 3 series for police to sit around on motorway bridges pointing cameras at you etc. Planning officials which decide who is allowed to fulfil their God given right to build a home for their families on private land. Massively incompetent civil and public services. A meagre health service which only provides good quality rapid care for serious illnessss, with anything less than life threatening often requiring extra private funding. A pensions system systematically robbed over decades providing barely enough for old folks to heat their homes and eat. I'm not too sure on why tax is such a sacrosanct thing - it's required no doubt but so many unwanted things get wrapped up in it. When they want your money from your pay its all about being egalitarian, the welfare state, the NHS. Don't mention the corporate wars when they have their cheque book open! So, when people avoid some of their tax, perhaps they're paying the NHS bit, but withholding the bombs and bullets funding? This scam has been going for years. The sheriff of Nottingham wanted his taxes - presumably most of the serfs were policing each other as we do nowadays? Or have they got so clever at this racket they've got us demanding the sherif of Nottingham gets his full revenue, and were shopping both Starbucks and scroungers these days.... I.... Has it crossed your mind that if people paid the tax they were supposed to, we'd be able to pay for things like decent public services, our NHS etc. etc.? Do love a Gaschat politics thread, it usually spirals into stuff like this and then gets moved to General Chat. I look forward to it. |
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Post by yattongas on Apr 5, 2016 22:03:40 GMT
We're not all completely corrupt thanks , and yes I would. You are in denial. If not, you should be promoted to run the place as the world has yet to find angels who don't get corrupted by money and power. Dead easy to say if you're not a millionaire. Just like its dead easy to say how terrible Tiger Woods was when you aren't a billionaire....or these footballers that get caught doing x y z....people are fallible and every attempt to find people who don't abuse their power, wealth or status in some way are like finding Jim Davidsons contributions to feminism. I'm not having a dig personally mate and I'm sure you'd dig paying tens of thousands of tax that you could easily avoid using a pen and a form. the majority of people, the most staunchest tax advocates included tend to say one thing and do another - especially when people have kids. Kids are the number one justificatioin for people being selfish Blimey . I'd pay my taxes . When I'm a multi billionaire you can dig this post up . Not everyone acts the same |
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