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Post by supergas on Apr 11, 2016 1:38:44 GMT
Laughable comment - obviously you weren't at the Mem for Cambridge game when the teams came out or at the game yesterday or watched the videos on this thread - you know what was being meant by flares - A moderator that obviously doesn't moderate I was at the Northampton game and have seen the videos on this thread - they're not flares, they are smoke bombs. They are not the same things. I and others have made the point about flares and smoke bombs being different already in this thread. And the reason I originally made the point of differentiating between the two is because this was posted earlier in the thread: "Flares? Any pyro burns with a high temperature, so you let one off also burning another supporter. I would hope that the person suffering burns would sue so that they are paying for their "mistake" for the rest of their lives, and that's after you have been in prison."
But no Gashead was in danger of being burned at Northampton, because it was a smoke bomb and not a flare, and if it's the type of smoke bomb I believe it is then all you do is unscrew the top and the smoke comes bellowing out. No flame needed and no heat emitted when in use. A person who obviously can't read? Still illegal to let off at a football game. Not to mention dangerous (for a wide variety of reasons). The authorities (both legal and football) classify them exactly the same (http://www.fsf.org.uk/assets/Smoke-Bombs-Flares-and-Fireworks-Factsheet-for-FSF.pdf). So good news someone probably won't get burned, bad news for the individual and the club for lots and lots of other reasons...
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Post by RD on Apr 11, 2016 6:42:17 GMT
I was at the Northampton game and have seen the videos on this thread - they're not flares, they are smoke bombs. They are not the same things. I and others have made the point about flares and smoke bombs being different already in this thread. And the reason I originally made the point of differentiating between the two is because this was posted earlier in the thread: "Flares? Any pyro burns with a high temperature, so you let one off also burning another supporter. I would hope that the person suffering burns would sue so that they are paying for their "mistake" for the rest of their lives, and that's after you have been in prison."
But no Gashead was in danger of being burned at Northampton, because it was a smoke bomb and not a flare, and if it's the type of smoke bomb I believe it is then all you do is unscrew the top and the smoke comes bellowing out. No flame needed and no heat emitted when in use. A person who obviously can't read? Still illegal to let off at a football game. Not to mention dangerous (for a wide variety of reasons). The authorities (both legal and football) classify them exactly the same (http://www.fsf.org.uk/assets/Smoke-Bombs-Flares-and-Fireworks-Factsheet-for-FSF.pdf). So good news someone probably won't get burned, bad news for the individual and the club for lots and lots of other reasons... Just playing DA here (and stirring the pot lol), but is it illegal to Vape during the match? As there's not really any difference in reality.... So if it isn't illegal to Vape at a football match, surely it should be?
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Post by peterparker on Apr 11, 2016 7:02:06 GMT
Still illegal to let off at a football game. Not to mention dangerous (for a wide variety of reasons). The authorities (both legal and football) classify them exactly the same (http://www.fsf.org.uk/assets/Smoke-Bombs-Flares-and-Fireworks-Factsheet-for-FSF.pdf). So good news someone probably won't get burned, bad news for the individual and the club for lots and lots of other reasons... Just playing DA here (and stirring the pot lol), but is it illegal to Vape during the match? As there's not really any difference in reality.... So if it isn't illegal to Vape at a football match, surely it should be? don't know if it is illegal as such, but many places including Rovers don't allow you to
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Post by RD on Apr 11, 2016 7:08:06 GMT
Just playing DA here (and stirring the pot lol), but is it illegal to Vape during the match? As there's not really any difference in reality.... So if it isn't illegal to Vape at a football match, surely it should be? don't know if it is illegal as such, but many places including Rovers don't allow you to Ah ok, fair enough. Well that's the end of the point I was hoping to make then!
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 11, 2016 7:51:43 GMT
Still illegal to let off at a football game. Not to mention dangerous (for a wide variety of reasons). The authorities (both legal and football) classify them exactly the same (http://www.fsf.org.uk/assets/Smoke-Bombs-Flares-and-Fireworks-Factsheet-for-FSF.pdf). So good news someone probably won't get burned, bad news for the individual and the club for lots and lots of other reasons... Just playing DA here (and stirring the pot lol), but is it illegal to Vape during the match? As there's not really any difference in reality.... So if it isn't illegal to Vape at a football match, surely it should be? Sorry but how can you compare the "smoke" a vape gives off to the smoke pouring out from a smoke bomb, I guess the FA ban for some reason so why try and condone Rovers fans doing something illegal?
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Post by oldgas on Apr 11, 2016 7:55:22 GMT
All I know is that the smoke these devices emit is particularly acrid and unpleasant. When Plymouth equalised against us a green smoke bomb was let off by the away fans and the poxy smoke drifted straight up to where we were sitting. It tasted and smelt disgusting and the taste lingered for some considerable time. Apart from anything else, the dye used for the smoke is probably toxic to some extent, I imagine these things are probably manufactured in China where the health considerations come a distant second to cheapness and profit.
I thing anyone setting one of those bloody things off in a football stadium should be prosecuted for assault, I go to watch football, not to be gassed by some idiot who can't be satisfied with jumping up and down and shouting and clapping to celebrate a goal.
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Post by paulpirate on Apr 11, 2016 8:00:42 GMT
Green smoke is filthy and should be banned,red smoke should carry a hefty prison sentence Utg
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Post by RD on Apr 11, 2016 8:29:26 GMT
Just playing DA here (and stirring the pot lol), but is it illegal to Vape during the match? As there's not really any difference in reality.... So if it isn't illegal to Vape at a football match, surely it should be? Sorry but how can you compare the "smoke" a vape gives off to the smoke pouring out from a smoke bomb, I guess the FA ban for some reason so why try and condone Rovers fans doing something illegal? 1) I haven't condoned anything 2) Where have I said it's the same amount of smoke? My point is simple; it's smoke. If someone lets off an atom bomb or a nail bomb, ultimately a bomb has still been detonated; they are both classed as bombs despite the significant difference between the damage they'd cause. So my question was; if Vaping (sp) releases smoke, I assume the only difference between that and the smoke bomb is the amount of smoke it releases. But presumably the ban on smoke bombs is in place because they release smoke full stop - not because of the amount of smoke they release. I.e. if you bought a smoke bomb that let out a tiny poof of smoke, you'd still get punished for it in the same way you would if you had let off a smoke bomb that lets out a "standard" amount of smoke. Ergo if vaping releases smoke, is it fundamentally any different? It was a very simple question. But I accept that it's probably too difficult for you to grasp, judging by your reply.
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Post by newmarketgas on Apr 11, 2016 8:52:45 GMT
Vaping is not smoke it is vapour, no smoke !
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Post by paulpirate on Apr 11, 2016 8:57:26 GMT
Sorry but how can you compare the "smoke" a vape gives off to the smoke pouring out from a smoke bomb, I guess the FA ban for some reason so why try and condone Rovers fans doing something illegal? 1) I haven't condoned anything 2) Where have I said it's the same amount of smoke? My point is simple; it's smoke. If someone lets off an atom bomb or a nail bomb, ultimately a bomb has still been detonated; they are both classed as bombs despite the significant difference between the damage they'd cause. So my question was; if Vaping (sp) releases smoke, I assume the only difference between that and the smoke bomb is the amount of smoke it releases. But presumably the ban on smoke bombs is in place because they release smoke full stop - not because of the amount of smoke they release. I.e. if you bought a smoke bomb that let out a tiny poof of smoke, you'd still get punished for it in the same way you would if you had let off a smoke bomb that lets out a "standard" amount of smoke. Ergo if vaping releases smoke, is it fundamentally any different? It was a very simple question. But I accept that it's probably too difficult for you to grasp, judging by your reply. think it is the time of the month for a few on here today:( Monday's don't help
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Post by RD on Apr 11, 2016 9:06:55 GMT
Vaping is not smoke it is vapour, no smoke ! And there is the answer I guess - which is all I was looking for - thank you for the sensible reply and not accusing me of condoning anything.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Apr 11, 2016 9:29:24 GMT
Vaping is not smoke it is vapour, no smoke ! And there is the answer I guess - which is all I was looking for - thank you for the sensible reply and not accusing me of condoning anything. Not really, though. Vaping and smoke bombs are both particulates contained in an evaporating medium. So, really, neither are smoke, except smoke is also particulates, so they both are, depending on how you define it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 9:40:15 GMT
Since its illegal and there will be plenty of video evidence of the CRIMINALS. How many arrests are we expecting? There should be hundreds every week nationwide.
While we are at it, let's charge farters, burpers, coffee drinkers, and anything else that smells or leaves a linger that might offend ones nostril.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Apr 11, 2016 9:42:18 GMT
I was at the Northampton game and have seen the videos on this thread - they're not flares, they are smoke bombs. They are not the same things. I and others have made the point about flares and smoke bombs being different already in this thread. And the reason I originally made the point of differentiating between the two is because this was posted earlier in the thread: "Flares? Any pyro burns with a high temperature, so you let one off also burning another supporter. I would hope that the person suffering burns would sue so that they are paying for their "mistake" for the rest of their lives, and that's after you have been in prison."
But no Gashead was in danger of being burned at Northampton, because it was a smoke bomb and not a flare, and if it's the type of smoke bomb I believe it is then all you do is unscrew the top and the smoke comes bellowing out. No flame needed and no heat emitted when in use. A person who obviously can't read? Still illegal to let off at a football game. Not to mention dangerous (for a wide variety of reasons). The authorities (both legal and football) classify them exactly the same (http://www.fsf.org.uk/assets/Smoke-Bombs-Flares-and-Fireworks-Factsheet-for-FSF.pdf). So good news someone probably won't get burned, bad news for the individual and the club for lots and lots of other reasons... I wasn't disputing any of that. I'm not even condoning their use at games (although I think they look bloody class). All I'm doing is pointing out the differences between them in terms of their potential to harm somebody.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Apr 11, 2016 9:51:35 GMT
(although I think they look bloody class). Istm, they have organised pyrotechnics, fireworks and stuff like that at many sporting events. So, it can't be illegal for it to be done in an official, organised, safety-certificate sort of way. Therefore, you would think, they could release a load of smoke somewhere (say the centre circle) as the players walk out. And it will all dissipate by the time the game kicks off. That could be cool.
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Post by Okebournegas on Apr 11, 2016 9:55:49 GMT
Since its illegal and there will be plenty of video evidence of the CRIMINALS. How many arrests are we expecting? There should be hundreds every week nationwide. While we are at it, let's charge farters, burpers, coffee drinkers, and anything else that smells or leaves a linger that might offend ones nostril. Good morning handsome !
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Apr 11, 2016 9:59:52 GMT
Both the one as the teams came out and the one after the second goal went off right next to me. You literally can't breathe and it's more like powder than smoke to be honest. Made a right old mess of the lady in front's handbag. Got a good video of the celebrations after the equaliser with all the smoke etc. Looks quite good to be honest but I'd rather people didn't take the risk of the club getting in trouble.
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Apr 11, 2016 10:00:12 GMT
What do they use for the smoke colouring when they decide a new pope. Voting slips & dye I believe. Any council elections coming up with unwanted voting slips
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Post by thegasman on Apr 11, 2016 10:08:47 GMT
Just to add 1 other thing to this debacleate: If flares are banned from grounds, how come at internationals it's ok for organisers to set off those bloody giant flame throwers? heh? Double standards methinks.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 11, 2016 10:36:16 GMT
Just to add 1 other thing to this deb acleate: If flares are banned from grounds, how come at internationals it's ok for organisers to set off those bloody giant flame throwers? heh? Double standards methinks. Because that's controlled by experts employed to do the task not some random idiot letting a smoke bomb off without any thought for the safety of fans around him?
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