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Post by peterparker on Jun 24, 2016 10:42:43 GMT
There will be no negotistions until we invoke the actual leave clause which wont happen til the new PM takes over Yep, another Cameron lie. He did say if the vote was out, he'd send the Article 50 letter the very next day........... Meanwhile, live pictures from French side of the Channel Tunnel........ And what about Farage and the NHS lie he has already admitted
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 11:01:36 GMT
Yep, another Cameron lie. He did say if the vote was out, he'd send the Article 50 letter the very next day........... Meanwhile, live pictures from French side of the Channel Tunnel........ And what about Farage and the NHS lie he has already admitted Nobody believed that. It was used as an example I believe, in the same way that someone else would have said, "that money means we could fund an extra 3,000 Nurses or 1,000 Doctors!". It's the sort of language used by all politicians, but in reality it doesn't stack up. In a way, I'm hoping this vote will shake-up the political establishment. It's time they spoke honestly and openly, and they should stop with just giving out soundbites. I believe this could change the way politicians speak, because they are now aware that people are no longer prepared to listen to nonsense.
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Post by Bill Bones on Jun 24, 2016 11:02:17 GMT
Everybody on my Facebook is sharing the Farage video but I'm unsure as to what point they're trying to make. Farage isn't even an MP let alone the Chancellor or PM, so how can they criticise him for making a promise he obviously couldn't have made?
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Post by youmadethatup on Jun 24, 2016 11:11:18 GMT
I'm amazed how Wales voted considering the benefits they have had from the EU over the years ,do they really think they will get this same funding from westminster ? Wales will go backwards unless they become a conservative voting region. Especially as it looks like Scotland may now finally leave the union and govern itself ......which is a sentiment the brexit voters can not argue against . As for immigrants....well those already here have been promised they can stay......so expect an explosion of EU immigrants over the next two years. Um....the 'funding' Wales got from the EU was actually British Taxpayers money. Scotland had a turnout of 67%, of which 61% voted to Remain. That translates to way less than 50% of Scots voted to Remain. It may be UK taxpayer money but do you think it would really have gone to wales ? Or another train line for london..... 28% of voters in the UK didn't bother to vote...so well under half the people voted to leave the EU....the non vote should always be included in the result . Will France now be obliged to stop migrants getting on boats to come to the UK ? Genuine question as I don't know. I'm sure the people of Calais etc will be more than happy for the issue to move to Dover ,Weymouth,plymouth,southampton etc.
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Post by baggins on Jun 24, 2016 11:13:01 GMT
Seems the exit decision has had enough effect to make SH make an anouncement.
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Post by youmadethatup on Jun 24, 2016 11:16:47 GMT
And what about Farage and the NHS lie he has already admitted Nobody believed that. It was used as an example I believe, in the same way that someone else would have said, "that money means we could fund an extra 3,000 Nurses or 1,000 Doctors!". It's the sort of language used by all politicians, but in reality it doesn't stack up. In a way, I'm hoping this vote will shake-up the political establishment. It's time they spoke honestly and openly, and they should stop with just giving out soundbites. I believe this could change the way politicians speak, because they are now aware that people are no longer prepared to listen to nonsense. I hope you are right on this ,politics is a game played by those who have their own motives and it's about time it was shaken up. I do think it is funny that it's the northern English labour voter that has actually started the potential end of any chance of a labour government in the future should Scotland leave the UK.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 11:17:30 GMT
And what about Farage and the NHS lie he has already admitted Nobody believed that. It was used as an example I believe, in the same way that someone else would have said, "that money means we could fund an extra 3,000 Nurses or 1,000 Doctors!". It's the sort of language used by all politicians, but in reality it doesn't stack up. In a way, I'm hoping this vote will shake-up the political establishment. It's time they spoke honestly and openly, and they should stop with just giving out soundbites. I believe this could change the way politicians speak, because they are now aware that people are no longer prepared to listen to nonsense. On this point Nobby I completely agree with you. Hopefully what you suggest will be one of the positive outcomes of this
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 11:17:35 GMT
Um....the 'funding' Wales got from the EU was actually British Taxpayers money. Scotland had a turnout of 67%, of which 61% voted to Remain. That translates to way less than 50% of Scots voted to Remain. It may be UK taxpayer money but do you think it would really have gone to wales ? Or another train line for london..... 28% of voters in the UK didn't bother to vote...so well under half the people voted to leave the EU....the non vote should always be included in the result . Will France now be obliged to stop migrants getting on boats to come to the UK ? Genuine question as I don't know. I'm sure the people of Calais etc will be more than happy for the issue to move to Dover ,Weymouth,plymouth,southampton etc. You have to understand EU Grants. They would only fund 50% (max) of any project. The British Government would then fund the other 50%. So, a new road built in Wales may have 'funded by the EU' signs plastered everywhere, but in reality, 100% of the cost came from the British Taxpayer as the 50% frm the EU would just be taken from the billions we pay them! Yes, France are obliged to stop illegals travelling to the UK. This is an agreement between the UK and France to have passport control on the French side of the channel. This has nothing to do with the EU.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 11:20:23 GMT
Nobody believed that. It was used as an example I believe, in the same way that someone else would have said, "that money means we could fund an extra 3,000 Nurses or 1,000 Doctors!". It's the sort of language used by all politicians, but in reality it doesn't stack up. In a way, I'm hoping this vote will shake-up the political establishment. It's time they spoke honestly and openly, and they should stop with just giving out soundbites. I believe this could change the way politicians speak, because they are now aware that people are no longer prepared to listen to nonsense. On this point Nobby I completely agree with you. Hopefully what you suggest will be one of the positive outcomes of this For me, one of the big eye openers of the whole campaign was the way the politicians were openly treated with disdain by the public on all of the live debates.
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Post by youmadethatup on Jun 24, 2016 11:23:58 GMT
It may be UK taxpayer money but do you think it would really have gone to wales ? Or another train line for london..... 28% of voters in the UK didn't bother to vote...so well under half the people voted to leave the EU....the non vote should always be included in the result . Will France now be obliged to stop migrants getting on boats to come to the UK ? Genuine question as I don't know. I'm sure the people of Calais etc will be more than happy for the issue to move to Dover ,Weymouth,plymouth,southampton etc. You have to understand EU Grants. They would only fund 50% (max) of any project. The British Government would then fund the other 50%. So, a new road built in Wales may have 'funded by the EU' signs plastered everywhere, but in reality, 100% of the cost came from the British Taxpayer as the 50% frm the EU would just be taken from the billions we pay them! Yes, France are obliged to stop illegals travelling to the UK. This is an agreement between the UK and France to have passport control on the French side of the channel. This has nothing to do with the EU. So now the road won't get built Ha ha
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 11:24:40 GMT
Nobody believed that. It was used as an example I believe, in the same way that someone else would have said, "that money means we could fund an extra 3,000 Nurses or 1,000 Doctors!". It's the sort of language used by all politicians, but in reality it doesn't stack up. In a way, I'm hoping this vote will shake-up the political establishment. It's time they spoke honestly and openly, and they should stop with just giving out soundbites. I believe this could change the way politicians speak, because they are now aware that people are no longer prepared to listen to nonsense. I hope you are right on this ,politics is a game played by those who have their own motives and it's about time it was shaken up. I do think it is funny that it's the northern English labour voter that has actually started the potential end of any chance of a labour government in the future should Scotland leave the UK. Yep, agree with you. Corbyn should also resign, but I hope he doesn't because as long as he is the Labour Leader, they will never get elected. One Labour MP was on the tele this morning explaining that the vote was because people are fed-up with Zero Hour Contracts. Corbyn himself is claiming that is was just a protest vote against the Tory Government........they just don't get it. I also expect Osbourne to resign today. The sharks are in the water, and they can smell blood !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 11:26:28 GMT
You have to understand EU Grants. They would only fund 50% (max) of any project. The British Government would then fund the other 50%. So, a new road built in Wales may have 'funded by the EU' signs plastered everywhere, but in reality, 100% of the cost came from the British Taxpayer as the 50% frm the EU would just be taken from the billions we pay them! Yes, France are obliged to stop illegals travelling to the UK. This is an agreement between the UK and France to have passport control on the French side of the channel. This has nothing to do with the EU. So now the road won't get built Ha ha Why not? As I explained, the 'road' would have been funded 100% by the British Government. We actually save money by not having to put up all the 'Funded by the EU' signs
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Post by Bill Bones on Jun 24, 2016 11:29:04 GMT
I think the most worrying thing about all of this is arguably Cameron's resignation. The worry is that he sees things we don't and has woken up and gone "sh*t this is going to be a mess, better get myself as far away as possible". Add that to the fact that, regardless of what you think of him, he is an evidently competent politician, unlike many of the others. I pray that Corbyn stays, because it's the only surefire way to prevent a labour government in the event of a general election due to a new Tory leader. All of this from somebody who voted Leave - but as much as I believe it will do us good in the long run, there will be a period of instability, which Cameron's resignation will exacerbate.
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Post by youmadethatup on Jun 24, 2016 11:30:23 GMT
I hope you are right on this ,politics is a game played by those who have their own motives and it's about time it was shaken up. I do think it is funny that it's the northern English labour voter that has actually started the potential end of any chance of a labour government in the future should Scotland leave the UK. Yep, agree with you. Corbyn should also resign, but I hope he doesn't because as long as he is the Labour Leader, they will never get elected. One Labour MP was on the tele this morning explaining that the vote was because people are fed-up with Zero Hour Contracts. Corbyn himself is claiming that is was just a protest vote against the Tory Government........they just don't get it. I also expect Osbourne to resign today. The sharks are in the water, and they can smell blood ! It will just be the crazy gang of Boris and Nigel left ...with trump in the Whitehouse. Going to be interesting. Mr Putin is very pleased he was very keen for the UK to leave to weaken the EU and see its break up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 11:34:20 GMT
I think Andrea Leadsom would make either a good Tory Leader, or a very good Chancellor. She has extensive business experience working in the financial sector in London, so she must be able to do her sums. She also came across very well in the debates she took part in.
The team that handles the Brexit negotiations should be a cross-party team. Wouldn't Nigel Farage like a role in that. Gisela Stuart would be another good addition. She was actually on the EU team that wrote the EU Constitution/Lisbon Treaty. The fact that that experience made her vote Leave says a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 11:38:24 GMT
Yep, agree with you. Corbyn should also resign, but I hope he doesn't because as long as he is the Labour Leader, they will never get elected. One Labour MP was on the tele this morning explaining that the vote was because people are fed-up with Zero Hour Contracts. Corbyn himself is claiming that is was just a protest vote against the Tory Government........they just don't get it. I also expect Osbourne to resign today. The sharks are in the water, and they can smell blood ! It will just be the crazy gang of Boris and Nigel left ...with trump in the Whitehouse. Going to be interesting. Mr Putin is very pleased he was very keen for the UK to leave to weaken the EU and see its break up. Well, the EU didn't do itself any favours with Putin by stoking up the Ukraine situation did it! It is not the EU that is now putting troops in Poland and the Baltic States, it's NATO, of which we are still members. Nigel is not a MP.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2016 11:42:04 GMT
Good news. If the government act quickly we might be able to stop baggins coming back into the country! Every cloud and all that eh? Too late for that. Bugger.
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Post by baggins on Jun 24, 2016 11:44:00 GMT
The French tried to ruin my day with a 3 hour delay, but I got back in. Then woke up this morning to the exit news and wished I hadn't bothered.
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Post by youmadethatup on Jun 24, 2016 11:46:52 GMT
So now the road won't get built Ha ha Why not? As I explained, the 'road' would have been funded 100% by the British Government. We actually save money by not having to put up all the 'Funded by the EU' signs But..the road would not be built......it's in the wrong place :-)....the funding would never be made available without the EU arm bending about funding more impoverished areas. In the same way as all the Bristol schools were rebuilt and a new hospital built when a labour gov came in as'reward' for being labour voters. A Tory gov will not want a labour controlled council to look good (and vice versus) . I'm not a labour voter by the way before a party discussion evolves haha.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jun 24, 2016 11:48:22 GMT
I think the most worrying thing about all of this is arguably Cameron's resignation. The worry is that he sees things we don't and has woken up and gone "sh*t this is going to be a mess, better get myself as far away as possible". Add that to the fact that, regardless of what you think of him, he is an evidently competent politician, unlike many of the others. I pray that Corbyn stays, because it's the only surefire way to prevent a labour government in the event of a general election due to a new Tory leader. All of this from somebody who voted Leave - but as much as I believe it will do us good in the long run, there will be a period of instability, which Cameron's resignation will exacerbate. u Surely it was inevitable Cameron would leave if he couldn't have enough influence on us to vote remain?
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