B.R.E.X.I.T........implications.

Will that make him a migrant  ?  
If so that will qualify him for a free House/medical care/schooling/bongage leasons/car pass for the mem

Looking back in history: it's 2-0 to the Eng a land 2-0 to the Eng a land



and lets face it war is one way to keep the population down

What's more likely to happen without 'cheap' staff in the NHS is the government will say it can not afford to run the NHS as it is and allow the private market to run large sections of it .....for profit....with certain care treatments being chargeable to the patient.The government are already at loggerheads with jnr doctors that are being perceived as cheap (?)
The trade unions will go as will many workers rights.
There are good and bad things about staying in the EU or leaving and I don't think anybody should be in one camp 100%
The same arguments apply to the UK ...should the UK leave the EU I would assume the UK will finally be abandoned as many of the same arguments occur.

Our Welsh and Irish and Scottish players will soon count as overseas players ...

Ok - so if the NHS can't survive without the cheap staff, how did it survive BEFORE we had a stream of cheap labour?

Having worked in financial services for a long while, you see everyone's salaries and earnings and I can unequivocally say that one of the most, if not the all time number one well paid profession is healthcare.

The majority of GPs are a double millionaire at retirement.

Consultants hit that point late thirties early forties.

Junior doctors of course need to strike - they're so downtrodden with the capitalist classes laughing at them with their paltry million pound DB pension at retirement and tiny salary whilst they slave in NHS workhouses.

I am not to bothered about companies making profits as there are plenty of people making vast sums of money, well above what they are worth out of the NHS. its a terribly managed organisation.

The other huge drain is the fact anyone can come here and have any condition treated for free with no questions asked.

I don't want to lose free at the point of delivery healthcare. But beyond that I could not care if it's the NHS or BHS. In the same way I like TV but I don't like virgin media.

So no, I'm sure the NHS will survive as it always survived without Europe, as a free at delivery service. ijf we could do this in 1960,1970, 1980 why can't we do it now without millions of imported labour? We do not pay our doctors cheaply so we are not getting cheap doctors, that's for sure. £1k a shift for a German GP working here.

Health Care is very expensive no matter what country you live in.
The NHS just cannot exist in it's current state. The UK cannot afford to be the health provider for anyone in the world. With the cost of heathcare now, it is pretty easy, and quite cheap, to hop on a plane anywhere in the world, fly to the UK, and get your treatment for free. The world of 1948, when the NHS was formed, is a world away from the world of 2016.

Things have to change. This is not a Labour v Tory issue, as the current Tory Government are in reality spending more on the NHS than the previous Labour Government did. You cannot just keep throwing more and more money into the NHS. It's a bottomless pit, and until the British public wake-up to the fact that the NHS desperately needs reform, then it will always be in crisis.

Apologies if my last post was a little curt, I find out later today if I still have a job so I am a bit on edge.

For me, we need to take the politics out of the NHS. I would prefer to have an independent NHS like the Bank of England. Give it broad terms of reference and a minimum budget based on GDP so we can afford it. Then at least we can stop this bickering.

Hope it's good news fella. Let us know?

Shame this ended up in GC.
If you read my OP it was about BREXIT and implications for football,
particularly lower league clubs such as ours.
Seems to have been hijacked.....................

Interesting points. 2 points of reply;

1. Indeed DBs are valued at 20:1 for lifetime allowance purposes. That is indeed a notional value and not linked to a specific fund. The only really accurate comparison is to a level SL annuity which is roughly 6% not 5% so not really a difference.

If anyone outside of DB arrangements were to purchase the same value as the DB scheme with full service, you're looking at a million if you're in good health so the only way you can compare is on this basis. A £50k income for life, index linked is a VAST cost and just because you don't have it in cash, it is the same thing. It costs the country more than a million on a risk free asset or linker bonds. It is mainly public funded and the general public do not get anything like this - because it is unaffordable. When it is smudged by smoke and mirrors through opaque government tax spending it is allowed. This is because they want to keep it that way, and they will never do the decent thing, bite the bullet of longevity and realise that they need realistic planning which the rest of the world have - in proportion to the realities of mortality and near zero bond rates and slowing global growth.

Instead, the cost of healthcare goes up and up, because any changes are opposed with strikes and threats to your health "we need more tax otherwise we might not have the money to cure your condition". So why, if you are not the beloved guardians of health who really really care, why do you not sensibly agree to have pensions which are in line with the rest of the country - those who pay your wages? NO! Tantrum! The public don't understand the cost of DB schemes so we will paint this as "they're stealing our pensions and we will have to remove your treatments to preserve our pensions". That is the truth. If they were in line with 95% of pensions, it would indeed be theft. Instead, the taxpayer is the robbery victim.

Utterly upsets me that these selfish sods use the threat of letting your relatives die to keep their fat gov pensions alive - yet, the private sector are the greedy ones?

Secondly you speak of a world of insurance. This is not the only alternative to the NHS. You can keep the basic structure of free at delivery without having a national centralised service. Many ways this can be achieved.

Lastly, don't forget that over 55% of ALL your pay is taxed when you factor in VAT, petrol taxes, insurance tax etc.

If you weren't paying so much tax you might be able to afford insurance and have some money left over. Especially as you won't be paying for doctors who insist on vastly inflated pension schemes, they'd have to work at their market rate like everyone else.