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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 14:28:59 GMT
I note that you have not commented on the simple maths of value added spends per head. Says it all.
Well I have commented and i agree your maths are indeed "simple". So simple that you've failed to realise that VAT is applicable and your example is wrong by almost 100k. And you call Brian a half-wit I refer sir to my precious post about standard practice on the reporting of numbers in the hospitality industry and the fact that I quoted the term "Net Net" Maybe, for you, I should have spelt it out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 14:29:48 GMT
Oh dear Brian.
Are you going to correct this from the aptly named Philistine?
Its tosh, so please inform the poor fellow.
Incorrect, I would really love you to succeed and act out your legal role appropriately. Sorry that you cannot understand that.
But Brian as an executive director you are, absolutely, accountable for all of those functions, are you denying that?
Nonsense. As fans director you are supposed to report back to the SC for them to report back to their membership. I have already linked the rules and constitution which empowers your position. As for the unlucky lad who fell, you do realise that as a director your are responsible for the Health & Safety of your customers? Is that stairway fit for purpose and have you addressed it? Or is Beryl's problem?
No I don't, I want you to act appropriately, not like some half wit who passes the buck at every single opportunity. Do it properly and succeed and all power to you.
Tosh. You are accountable for all the issues raised yesterday, even if you are not directly responsible.
I note that you have not commented on the simple maths of value added spends per head. Says it all.
Oldie, I have realised that even attempting to get valid points across is skin to p1551ng into the wind. You just get soaked. As much as it pains me, I have just given up personally. The board have long been commented on by other clubs as " running the club like a Sunday pub team" and so we now find our club at a lifetime low. It can't be any surprise really. I know I will get stick for my last comment but I wish we were more City in our fight back. That lot, regardless of the billionaire owner, simply would not stand for it I spent yesterday with the dark sides old boys in a Keynsham. One thing I noticed and really surprised me. They didn't even mention us. That is how low we have sunk. It is evident that the majority will blindly accept the p155 poor and lax way the club is run. The board know it. I am stunned that the club felt it was fine to put signs up asking to spend more. That one really takes the biscuit. That would be comedy gold to the Reds, if they cared. It's evident that the older lot really do not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 14:32:08 GMT
Well said Brian and thanks for taking the time to report on here. Best to ignore Oldie as he clearly thinks he could run the football club better anyone else. He's even provided an example of how the much the club could benefit from additional match day sales. Unfortunately he's failed to take account of the VAT on food and drink sales. This would reduce his Sales Revenue from 575k down to 479k. An error of almost 100k !! Sorry oldie but you're really not so smart as you think and luckily don't have anything to do with running the club's finances. Clearly sir, You do not understand the concept of reporting net sales, standard practice in the hospitality industry. But there you go And yes I did quote....net net
I can assure you Sir that Gasheadblues is an extremely successful businessman in the Hospitality industry and does' not need educating from someone who's credentials are unknown to the majority of us on here and is continually attacking not only the management of the club but genuine posters on here like Gasheadblues.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 14:38:33 GMT
Clearly sir, You do not understand the concept of reporting net sales, standard practice in the hospitality industry. But there you go And yes I did quote....net net
I can assure you Sir that Gasheadblues is an extremely successful businessman in the Hospitality industry and does' not need educating from someone who's credentials are unknown to the majority of us on here and is continually attacking not only the management of the club but genuine posters on here like Gasheadblues. Well That is excellent then I am sure, if true, that he must be horrified at what goes on down at the Mem. By the way I am attacking nobody. I made a point, I do believe it was your illustrious friend who chose to go after me personally. The point stands Its a shambles
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 14:39:04 GMT
Well said Brian and thanks for taking the time to report on here. Best to ignore Oldie as he clearly thinks he could run the football club better anyone else. He's even provided an example of how the much the club could benefit from additional match day sales. Unfortunately he's failed to take account of the VAT on food and drink sales. This would reduce his Sales Revenue from 575k down to 479k. An error of almost 100k !! Sorry oldie but you're really not so smart as you think and luckily don't have anything to do with running the club's finances. Clearly sir, You do not understand the concept of reporting net sales, standard practice in the hospitality industry. But there you go And yes I did quote....net net
Oh I do understand very clearly and far more than you can begin to imagine. You have taken a Gross Sales figure as your starting point i.e an extra spend of £5 per person. Your example would only have been correct had you specified that every fan spends an additional £5 + VAT (i.e. £6) which you did not and therefore you are wrong. It's a pity that someone who spends all his time berating others for their mistakes and perceived stupidity that you are incapable of admitting your own mistake.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 14:43:20 GMT
Clearly sir, You do not understand the concept of reporting net sales, standard practice in the hospitality industry. But there you go And yes I did quote....net net
Oh I do understand very clearly and far more than you can begin to imagine. You have taken a Gross Sales figure as your starting point i.e an extra spend of £5 per person. Your example would only have been correct had you specified that every fan spends an additional £5 + VAT (i.e. £6) which you did not and therefore you are wrong. It's a pity that someone who spends all his time berating others for their mistakes and perceived stupidity that you are incapable of admitting your own mistake. Incorrect. I used the term "Net Net" and I referred to an operating loss that was clearly net of vat. But heh ho..keep plugging away Allegedly you are an expert in the Hospitality Industry, perhaps you would like to make a comment on what occurs at the Mem, and directly to what occurred yesterday. Or is that the standard you are comfortable with?
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Post by swissgas on Aug 10, 2014 14:47:06 GMT
Anything and everything to do with Rovers these days ends up with confrontation and squabbling.
When an organization is led with confidence and the leaders treat those they serve with respect this does not happen.
Unity is not something you demand from people it something you earn by gaining respect through your actions and behavior.
It is shocking to find a director of Bristol Rovers stating publicly that he does not want to get into a "slanging" match with a fellow supporter and then proceeding to do so.
Once you accept a position with leadership responsibility in any organization, limited company or otherwise, you have to face up to those responsibilities which include dealing with criticism in a courteous way and answering questions to the best of your ability.
If it is all getting too much for the directors, and the malfunctions yesterday are a symptom of that, then I would suggest they do everything possible to find people to take over the club who will be prepared to face up to the responsibilities which go with ownership. As custodians of the club it is up to the directors to find those people not the other way around.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 14:50:05 GMT
Hi Wow! what a debate which should not be about any individual at the club, but about what can be done together to improve the well being of our football club and greatly improve the matchday experience for you all as our supporters. I do not wish to get into a slagging match with Oldie which I'm sure he would love. Only to say (and this time only) that to qualify that by bringing the matters raised yesterday (as I have done many many times in the past) to the club's attention, what I mean is that I alone do not make decisions on for example the appointment of staff, what goes on on the field, I don't run the catering or fix the electrics and I don't collect money on the turnstiles amongst other jobs - we employ people at the club to do these jobs. As A Fans Director my job is draw matters / problems (many are dealt with privately such as the lad who fell last week) to the club's attention. I speak to the relevant person concerned at the club or / and with the Chairman and board if needs be to see what can be done to resolve these issues. That is the way any organisation should work - otherwise the result is complete and utter chaos. Now I know Oldie wants me to throw in the towel and resign because he seems to personally blame me for the entire club's dimese. However, to draw this conversation to a close. 1. I will continue to operate in the only way I know. 2. I have put myself up for election and if supporters feel someone else like Oldie could be doing the job better then that is your democratic right and I will rightly accept your decision. Until then: 3. Yes I am happy to post outcomes on here - when I know the outcomes - providing they are issues relating specifically to my remit such as the issues raised yesterday. best wishes Brian Brian, thanks very much for your open response, the speed of the response and the obvious empathy you show to people working at the club. Your open approach gets high marks from me. You deserve much better treatment. The fast majority will see you are doing your best and that's all we can ask. Together we are stronger. Thanks for taking this on.
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Post by bs10er on Aug 10, 2014 14:52:51 GMT
Well I will let Oldie and Gasheadblues battle it out,I know nothing about this. But getting back to the post by Brian,how anyone can belittle him for his post is beyond me. I dispare of our fans sometimes! He noticed/was told by fans,so he has done what a fans director ought to do,relayed back to the club and posted on here to let us know. Exactly the right thing to do. Thanks Brian.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 14:55:20 GMT
Oh I do understand very clearly and far more than you can begin to imagine. You have taken a Gross Sales figure as your starting point i.e an extra spend of £5 per person. Your example would only have been correct had you specified that every fan spends an additional £5 + VAT (i.e. £6) which you did not and therefore you are wrong. It's a pity that someone who spends all his time berating others for their mistakes and perceived stupidity that you are incapable of admitting your own mistake. Incorrect. I used the term "Net Net" and I referred to an operating loss that was clearly net of vat. But heh ho..keep plugging away Allegedly you are an expert in the Hospitality Industry, perhaps you would like to make a comment on what occurs at the Mem, and directly to what occurred yesterday. Or is that the standard you are comfortable with?
I'm not sure whether you're unable or unwilling to understand a simple point. I suggest you seek some advice from elsewhere and maybe they can get through.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 15:07:25 GMT
Well I will let Oldie and Gasheadblues battle it out,I know nothing about this. But getting back to the post by Brian,how anyone can belittle him for his post is beyond me. I dispare of our fans sometimes! He noticed/was told by fans,so he has done what a fans director ought to do,relayed back to the club and posted on here to let us know. Exactly the right thing to do. Thanks Brian. Like you I know little about the financial side of the likes of the Hospitality industry. I do however standby my comments about Gasheadblues. However I have noticed how in recent weeks on many threads on here, that Oldie has continually attacked many posters who disagree with his anti club this and that views and if anyone is belittling anybody on here it has to be Oldie. You are spot on in what you are saying, BSS does' his sincere best to get answers for the club supporters and as far as I am concerned the man is a gentleman who in no way deserves what some are trying to blame him for.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 15:29:15 GMT
So the man who won't answer a simple question with a straight answer proves himself once again that he is nothing but a hypocrite.Oldie you love to question don't you and you also push for an answer as well,but you don't give an answer yourself,hypocrite!I await your denial of my accusation and will pose you the question one more time.Why do you continue to post on here when your disdain of this forum, posters and their opinions is plain as day?I also note your input into on field matters is minimal to say the least.Your only interest appears to be the politics at the club but forget that an answer my question if you wouldn't mind.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 16:12:08 GMT
So the man who won't answer a simple question with a straight answer proves himself once again that he is nothing but a hypocrite.Oldie you love to question don't you and you also push for an answer as well,but you don't give an answer yourself,hypocrite!I await your denial of my accusation and will pose you the question one more time.Why do you continue to post on here when your disdain of this forum, posters and their opinions is plain as day?I also note your input into on field matters is minimal to say the least.Your only interest appears to be the politics at the club but forget that an answer my question if you wouldn't mind. I am sorry? I responded to Brian's post...that's all. Somebody else told us that the club were putting posters up about spends per head, not me. The disconnect between those posters and what happened yesterday is not of my making, its matter of material fact.
Gasheadblues I can assure you I need no financial advice. Why do you not comment on the standards at the Mem given your alleged experience?
For everyone else there is no battle over financial interpretation, I did quote net net, and I did quote a loss which is net of vat. Gasheadblues is just creating a strawman argument to divert from the point. Standard practice.
Anyway, point made....move on
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 16:50:21 GMT
So the man who won't answer a simple question with a straight answer proves himself once again that he is nothing but a hypocrite.Oldie you love to question don't you and you also push for an answer as well,but you don't give an answer yourself,hypocrite!I await your denial of my accusation and will pose you the question one more time.Why do you continue to post on here when your disdain of this forum, posters and their opinions is plain as day?I also note your input into on field matters is minimal to say the least.Your only interest appears to be the politics at the club but forget that an answer my question if you wouldn't mind. I am sorry? I responded to Brian's post...that's all. Somebody else told us that the club were putting posters up about spends per head, not me. The disconnect between those posters and what happened yesterday is not of my making, its matter of material fact.
Gasheadblues I can assure you I need no financial advice. Why do you not comment on the standards at the Mem given your alleged experience?
For everyone else there is no battle over financial interpretation, I did quote net net, and I did quote a loss which is net of vat. Gasheadblues is just creating a strawman argument to divert from the point. Standard practice.
Anyway, point made....move on
Well actually you quoted an example which yielded a profit of £272,250. You really are getting confused now. Thankfully people on here as not as stupid as you like to portray them. They will draw their own conclusions. As you say though time to move on, I've got a Burger Van to open up at 6.30pm
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Post by philbemmygas on Aug 10, 2014 17:22:26 GMT
Oldie. I'm not sure if that's BSSs part of ship? The other stuff though, you are right. First game on tv, weeks to get ready and there were a number of things wrong. Bad start with the microphone too!! That bloke who stands in front of the TV screen needs removing too! Worked it out now, the famous shout of "sit down you ****" was required
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Post by dmacca65 on Aug 10, 2014 17:41:08 GMT
That bloke who stands in front of the TV screen needs removing too! Worked it out now, the famous shout of "sit down you ****" was required You would never hear me complaining!
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Post by stigofthegas on Aug 10, 2014 17:43:48 GMT
So the man who won't answer a simple question with a straight answer proves himself once again that he is nothing but a hypocrite.Oldie you love to question don't you and you also push for an answer as well,but you don't give an answer yourself,hypocrite!I await your denial of my accusation and will pose you the question one more time.Why do you continue to post on here when your disdain of this forum, posters and their opinions is plain as day?I also note your input into on field matters is minimal to say the least.Your only interest appears to be the politics at the club but forget that an answer my question if you wouldn't mind. Oh my word, how much of a fool can one man make of himself in one string of posts. BSS responded with a not perfect but more than adequate response, thank you Brian. Oldie instantly attacked, ignoring any facts and then kept on and on and on, blowing all credibility and picking fights with many a respected and sensible posters in the process. Oldie, I don't know you and so I can only judge what I read. On the evidence of this I will now ignore everything you write as today you have made a complete ar$e of yourself.
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Post by beaver132 on Aug 10, 2014 17:55:09 GMT
For what its worth, not much I suspect, this debate and others like it since relegation just go to show how far any respect for the board, and thus the club has fallen. I hope everyone who matters realises the enormous mountain they have to climb to get the majority of the disaffected back on side. This and other threads like it should be pinned on the boardroom wall to remind them. Its a huge task, I really hope you understand that and take it seriously. If not, you really need a kick up the arse
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 10, 2014 18:11:54 GMT
Well i'm not going to get involved in a spat between two posters BUT
How can BRFC be responsible for a FRANCHISE HOLDER running out of pasties ??
Any complaints should be addressed to the FRANCHISE HOLDER not the club
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Post by peterparker on Aug 10, 2014 18:22:40 GMT
Well i'm not going to get involved in a spat between two posters BUT How can BRFC be responsible for a FRANCHISE HOLDER running out of pasties ?? Any complaints should be addressed to the FRANCHISE HOLDER not the club Which does raise another question about spending more money at the club as what cut do Rovers get from Pasty sales if they pay to be there?
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