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Post by Blackbeard on May 21, 2016 16:11:41 GMT
What a thread!
Ffs you can tell the season is over
Gone fishing.......
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Post by fanboy on May 21, 2016 16:12:25 GMT
Couldn't get past reading page one of this thread as it's clearly just going to be an argument.
However, it touches a nerve with me that he, and the SC, so massively failed to stop, or even voice the opinion of fans, whilst Nick Higgs took us to our lowest ever level, and now has a dig at our new owners who IMO have yet to make an error.
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Post by fanboy on May 21, 2016 16:13:56 GMT
Also, gonna say it now - if the Al-Qadi's hadn't taken over the club, I don't think we would have been top 3. Think that it definitely put a new found belief, desire and positive energy around the club that saw us make the final push. So sorry Nick.
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Post by fanboy on May 21, 2016 16:16:18 GMT
Promotion as champions or runners up? Open top bus tour Promotion as playoff winners (there's a cup) I open top bus tour. Promotion in third place? I no open top bus tour as it looks a bit desperate. Them's the rules. Basically when w got to the play offs we finished 7th and 2nd. The open bus tour for a play off win is all about 'bringing the trophy home'. We celebrated our promotion in the best way possible, anything we do now will be underwhelming when compared!
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Post by gasincider on May 21, 2016 16:27:36 GMT
Basically when w got to the play offs we finished 7th and 2nd. The open bus tour for a play off win is all about 'bringing the trophy home'. We celebrated our promotion in the best way possible, anything we do now will be underwhelming when compared! Sorry fanboy, but you are only expressing your opinion as I have done. Doesn't mean either of us are right. Bus tours are not for bringing the trophy home. At least I've never seen it written anywhere. They are for fans to get close to their heroes in order to thank them for achieving success that the fans totally relate to. You are probably to young to remember, but when we lost to Port Vale some years ago we had one and that too was a great success. A lot lot of us stayed off the pitch as requested, I thought because our chance would come at a properly organised bash as we have always done. I was on the Gloucs Road, but only six or seven hundred (according to police) others also had that enjoyment, so sadly most again missed out. The club had the chance to make money from a delighted audience but let it slide.
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Post by gasincider on May 21, 2016 16:32:09 GMT
Well I love the fact we didn't have an open top bus tour so that the players and management could go back to their families forget Bristol Rovers and enjoy a well earned rest as soon as possible.Does he expect Lee Brown to be there on the bus to wave at him instead of being with his family to await the birth of the new child? They all deserve so much thanks from us for their fantastic efforts for the last two seasons and we seem a more united club from top to bottom since Wael bought the club than any other time in my 61 years of being a supporter. I now question if those with the OP's attitude should be anywhere near the decision making as their attitude seems one of total negativity. Just because people give their time freely it doesn't mean they are having a positive affect on the club. I am grateful to the OP for exposing the type of attitude he has employed working away in the background for many years. It has been an attitude that has created very little for us and would have continued to do so if the new owners hadn't come in. Thankfully we all have a right to express ourselves too as an ordinary fan not connected to any particular group. I am confident the new positive attitude in the club will overcome the old negativity that has been festering away in the background for years. For once we have a chance to succeed lets all work TOGETHER to achieve that. C'mon Rovers c'mon you blues. Three players interviewed on TV all expressed that they thought something like a tour would happen. That's unless their wives were expecting as well of course.
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Post by dinsdale on May 21, 2016 16:38:48 GMT
spot on, these guys represent the old way, the sh**e way. Lets get some guys involved with 21st century knowhow. I look forward to you standing to run the club. In fact JC has been trying to step aside for some years. I'm sure he would welcome you with open arms. JC expressed a view which was shared by apparently hundreds of people who were asking why no bus tour, and I confess I was among them, on both my and my grandsons behalf. It was a poor decision. It didn't help that Mr Hamer kept giving different reasons for not doing it. Policy on the hoof I think they call it. As for the supporters club now being free to speak their mind, that's laughable, and indeed I believe may have led to this. The S/C directors are no longer welcome in box 1 yet former directors still make themselves known there. There have been no board meetings. There had been no official meeting between the s/c and the chairman to seek how best the s/c can help in ongoing fundraising etc. Basically it sounds like they are being sidelined. I hope I'm wrong. Im sure if it was Wael they were dealing with this would not happen. Sadly Mr Hamer had a similar effect at Swansea, where my cousin was a member of the supporters trust. With regard to travelling on s/c coaches, I too won't go on them. Not because of them, but because the rules governing what they can and can't do with regard to arriving at set times etc at away games cheeses me off, and no alcohol allowed. So I suppose the supporters club are to blame for that as well. But when trains get sorted they always do well. The last one to Norwich was brilliant, and no worries about the time of arrival. Still, we are where we are, and I don't see anything changing in the short term, but just hope that the investment in the playing side we all want will happen. The jury is still out on that one. One last point, if Mr Hamer reads this. Go and talk to the staff behind the scenes. They too feel totally out on a limb. Talk to them and give them some reassurance as to their futures. It's such a lazy response to criticism to say you do it then. If you can't critique anything you don't do yourself it would be a terrible world. As for sc directors not being in box 1 that's not true, I saw them in there at the last game. BRSC should be replaced by an independent Supporters club run by Technology savvy people with a skill for social media, design and P.R. It's run its course, we are rag bag Rovers no more. Their silence was unforgivable as we wongad ourselves to the eyeballs. New ideas are here, ideas that will bring progression, modernisation and success rather then luck, chemistry and bankruptcy. If a few feathers are ruffled and a few less chicken in baskets are eaten so be it. Viva the Jordanian revolution.
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Post by dinsdale on May 21, 2016 16:40:12 GMT
Ps the likes of the gascast boys are our future !!! Let's connect everyone not a small clique.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 21, 2016 16:46:47 GMT
Couldn't get past reading page one of this thread as it's clearly just going to be an argument. However, it touches a nerve with me that he, and the SC, so massively failed to stop, or even voice the opinion of fans, whilst Nick Higgs took us to our lowest ever level, and now has a dig at our new owners who IMO have yet to make an error. I think that's a shame as there have been some really well made points and counter arguments made all of which need to be made and discussed if we are to have progress and resolution.
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Post by gasincider on May 21, 2016 16:50:49 GMT
What Mr Chappell needs to realise is that he is effectively a voice for "us". Once again, his comments do not represent my - or the vast majority of fans views - and I'd rather he didn't run his mouth off in the nature he has. Time to step down in my opinion. Dinsdale sums it up perfectly - if a little too harshly for some. Sorry Roverdrive, but you don't know if he is expressing the majority view or not. Just keep to expressing your own view, as most are extremely sensible.
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Post by newmarketgas on May 21, 2016 16:52:55 GMT
These are hard nosed world business people, we wont have any say. They did not spend millions to have some smart arsed local revolutionary type tell them how to run it.
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Post by Strange Gas on May 21, 2016 16:56:04 GMT
What Mr Chappell needs to realise is that he is effectively a voice for "us". Once again, his comments do not represent my - or the vast majority of fans views - and I'd rather he didn't run his mouth off in the nature he has. Time to step down in my opinion. Dinsdale sums it up perfectly - if a little too harshly for some. Sorry Roverdrive, but you don't know if he is expressing the majority view or not. Just keep to expressing your own view, as most are extremely sensible. Maybe a poll on here is needed, all be it we aren't a true cross section.
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Post by Strange Gas on May 21, 2016 16:58:33 GMT
These are hard nosed world business people, we wont have any say. They did not spend millions to have some smart arsed local revolutionary type tell them how to run it. Successful hard nosed businessmen generally listen to paying customers, at least a little bit. This lot do seem to be doing that so far
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Post by Topper Gas on May 21, 2016 16:59:44 GMT
I look forward to you standing to run the club. In fact JC has been trying to step aside for some years. I'm sure he would welcome you with open arms. JC expressed a view which was shared by apparently hundreds of people who were asking why no bus tour, and I confess I was among them, on both my and my grandsons behalf. It was a poor decision. It didn't help that Mr Hamer kept giving different reasons for not doing it. Policy on the hoof I think they call it. As for the supporters club now being free to speak their mind, that's laughable, and indeed I believe may have led to this. The S/C directors are no longer welcome in box 1 yet former directors still make themselves known there. There have been no board meetings. There had been no official meeting between the s/c and the chairman to seek how best the s/c can help in ongoing fundraising etc. Basically it sounds like they are being sidelined. I hope I'm wrong. Im sure if it was Wael they were dealing with this would not happen. Sadly Mr Hamer had a similar effect at Swansea, where my cousin was a member of the supporters trust. With regard to travelling on s/c coaches, I too won't go on them. Not because of them, but because the rules governing what they can and can't do with regard to arriving at set times etc at away games cheeses me off, and no alcohol allowed. So I suppose the supporters club are to blame for that as well. But when trains get sorted they always do well. The last one to Norwich was brilliant, and no worries about the time of arrival. Still, we are where we are, and I don't see anything changing in the short term, but just hope that the investment in the playing side we all want will happen. The jury is still out on that one. One last point, if Mr Hamer reads this. Go and talk to the staff behind the scenes. They too feel totally out on a limb. Talk to them and give them some reassurance as to their futures. It's such a lazy response to criticism to say you do it then. If you can't critique anything you don't do yourself it would be a terrible world. As for sc directors not being in box 1 that's not true, I saw them in there at the last game. BRSC should be replaced by an independent Supporters club run by Technology savvy people with a skill for social media, design and P.R. It's run its course, we are rag bag Rovers no more. Their silence was unforgivable as we wongad ourselves to the eyeballs. New ideas are here, ideas that will bring progression, modernisation and success rather then luck, chemistry and bankruptcy. If a few feathers are ruffled and a few less chicken in baskets are eaten so be it. Viva the Jordanian revolution. I think that's the hope rather than them being here already as there's little communication about anything at present. I'm not sure why we need tech savy people to run the SC I think we can leave the club to employ them to run our own media dept?
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Post by gasincider on May 21, 2016 17:00:23 GMT
BTW - look at it from his point of view. A lot of VERY loyal SC volunteers aren't the sort of people who get watered on the Glouc Rd and he's just disappointed for them. Steve Hamer owns no shares in BRFC and gets (presumably) paid ok to be chairman, yet the SC now have to listen / answer to him. Whatever you think of Higgs he was majority shareholder & chair - simple arrangement. There will always be 'politics' in supporting YOUR team, especially when businessmen (it is always men...) own most or all of it. Like them or not the only people on the board who are actual Gasheads are Brian & Ken. Isn't Brian a West Brom supporter? No, he's Rovers simples.
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Post by yattongas on May 21, 2016 17:00:58 GMT
I look forward to you standing to run the club. In fact JC has been trying to step aside for some years. I'm sure he would welcome you with open arms. JC expressed a view which was shared by apparently hundreds of people who were asking why no bus tour, and I confess I was among them, on both my and my grandsons behalf. It was a poor decision. It didn't help that Mr Hamer kept giving different reasons for not doing it. Policy on the hoof I think they call it. As for the supporters club now being free to speak their mind, that's laughable, and indeed I believe may have led to this. The S/C directors are no longer welcome in box 1 yet former directors still make themselves known there. There have been no board meetings. There had been no official meeting between the s/c and the chairman to seek how best the s/c can help in ongoing fundraising etc. Basically it sounds like they are being sidelined. I hope I'm wrong. Im sure if it was Wael they were dealing with this would not happen. Sadly Mr Hamer had a similar effect at Swansea, where my cousin was a member of the supporters trust. With regard to travelling on s/c coaches, I too won't go on them. Not because of them, but because the rules governing what they can and can't do with regard to arriving at set times etc at away games cheeses me off, and no alcohol allowed. So I suppose the supporters club are to blame for that as well. But when trains get sorted they always do well. The last one to Norwich was brilliant, and no worries about the time of arrival. Still, we are where we are, and I don't see anything changing in the short term, but just hope that the investment in the playing side we all want will happen. The jury is still out on that one. One last point, if Mr Hamer reads this. Go and talk to the staff behind the scenes. They too feel totally out on a limb. Talk to them and give them some reassurance as to their futures. It's such a lazy response to criticism to say you do it then. If you can't critique anything you don't do yourself it would be a terrible world. As for sc directors not being in box 1 that's not true, I saw them in there at the last game. BRSC should be replaced by an independent Supporters club run by Technology savvy people with a skill for social media, design and P.R. It's run its course, we are rag bag Rovers no more. Their silence was unforgivable as we wongad ourselves to the eyeballs. New ideas are here, ideas that will bring progression, modernisation and success rather then luck, chemistry and bankruptcy. If a few feathers are ruffled and a few less chicken in baskets are eaten so be it. Viva the Jordanian revolution. I think it's perfectly apt to say "you do it then".
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Post by peterparker on May 21, 2016 17:03:16 GMT
spot on, these guys represent the old way, the sh**e way. Lets get some guys involved with 21st century knowhow. I look forward to you standing to run the club. In fact JC has been trying to step aside for some years. I'm sure he would welcome you with open arms. JC expressed a view which was shared by apparently hundreds of people who were asking why no bus tour, and I confess I was among them, on both my and my grandsons behalf. It was a poor decision. It didn't help that Mr Hamer kept giving different reasons for not doing it. Policy on the hoof I think they call it. As for the supporters club now being free to speak their mind, that's laughable, and indeed I believe may have led to this. The S/C directors are no longer welcome in box 1 yet former directors still make themselves known there. There have been no board meetings. There had been no official meeting between the s/c and the chairman to seek how best the s/c can help in ongoing fundraising etc. Basically it sounds like they are being sidelined. I hope I'm wrong. Im sure if it was Wael they were dealing with this would not happen. Sadly Mr Hamer had a similar effect at Swansea, where my cousin was a member of the supporters trust. With regard to travelling on s/c coaches, I too won't go on them. Not because of them, but because the rules governing what they can and can't do with regard to arriving at set times etc at away games cheeses me off, and no alcohol allowed. So I suppose the supporters club are to blame for that as well. But when trains get sorted they always do well. The last one to Norwich was brilliant, and no worries about the time of arrival. Still, we are where we are, and I don't see anything changing in the short term, but just hope that the investment in the playing side we all want will happen. The jury is still out on that one. One last point, if Mr Hamer reads this. Go and talk to the staff behind the scenes. They too feel totally out on a limb. Talk to them and give them some reassurance as to their futures. There are definitley thngs to consider. If the club brings more things in house with paid staff and eases the burden reduces the work loads of the SC i dont think that can be a bad thing. If that happens the SC will have to eveluate what it is and what it wants to be. It jusr seems such a queer point to speak out about when JC and the supporters club reps have been so quiet through years worth of sh** and held no one accountable. JC may have a point (and i say again the volunteers deserve many thanks) however it is hard to take seriously when the SC has towed the party line for so long through a stream of sh**
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Post by gasincider on May 21, 2016 17:03:20 GMT
I don't think any SC and fanbase should behave like lapdogs to a chairman and Board of directors - there should be an avenue available to raise issues, complain etc. But, in recent years it seems to me and many that the influence of SC and the general fanbase was frowned upon - WE supporters were regarded with contempt - ASTONISHING ! However, the SC, in my view, is filled with people who have probably been around for decades - I hope that some younger supporters (in this time of positivity) - under 50 !! can get involved - offer their talents and energy and get involved. The SC Directors - should also graciously step down and the new owners /directors should invite new people to stand - and listen to them through various committee/structures- and keep the fanbase abreast of what is going on ! Jim Chappell et al, Ken Masters and BBS PLEASE STEP DOWN !!! This from a guy who wanted fans to stay away in protest
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Post by newmarketgas on May 21, 2016 17:04:36 GMT
These are hard nosed world business people, we wont have any say. They did not spend millions to have some smart arsed local revolutionary type tell them how to run it. Successful hard nosed businessmen generally listen to paying customers, at least a little bit. This lot do seem to be doing that so far They have said ALL the right things, they have done next to bugger all, that might be down to the late stage of the season or better things to do ( UWE ) . I have no idea, but the idea that we are going to have more of a say is wide of the mark IMO. Who knows, time will tell I guess.
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Post by ricardo on May 21, 2016 17:06:36 GMT
not got time to read the whole thread so apologies if i am repeating what has already been said.
It seems strange he feels the need to have a dig at the new regime over this (I don't agree with him, but respect his right to his opinion) when he never once spoke out against the last regime despite (in my opinion and that of many) the long list of errors, embarrassments and injustices that took place.
Bizarre to say the least.
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