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Post by peterparker on May 21, 2016 17:06:37 GMT
These are hard nosed world business people, we wont have any say. They did not spend millions to have some smart arsed local revolutionary type tell them how to run it. Suprisingly those of us that have argued for progress and business sense are happy so far. They can get on with it and see where it goes Of course we could have retail guru Boycey who knows what sells and didnt really want to listen to the fans committee The last thing we need is revisionist bollox to insinuate the last lot were receptive to ideas and wernt turning away offers of help
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Post by aghast on May 21, 2016 17:10:01 GMT
It's not really about the bus tour though, is it? It's about why he expressed his opinion in the way he did, defending NH and criticising the Chairman and President in a slightly veiled way, when years of neglect on and off the pitch have passed without public comment.
If that means he's now at last doing his job by speaking out about some legitimate grievance, then about time too. But to me it reads like he's miserable because he's lost his power and influence and direct line to the Board, and not because the new owners are actually doing anything wrong so far.
For what it's worth, I thought a bus parade would be a good idea, but on this forum at least, most seemed to be against it or not worried either way.
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Post by newmarketgas on May 21, 2016 17:12:56 GMT
These are hard nosed world business people, we wont have any say. They did not spend millions to have some smart arsed local revolutionary type tell them how to run it. Suprisingly those of us that have argued for progress and business sense are happy so far. They can get on with it and see where it goes Of course we could have retail guru Boycey who knows what sells and didnt really want to listen to the fans committee The last thing we need is revisionist bollox to insinuate the last lot were receptive to ideas and wernt turning away offers of help I never said they were, I am simply saying, don't expect much input, they now pay people for that.
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Post by gasincider on May 21, 2016 17:13:34 GMT
It jusr seems such a queer point to speak out about when JC and the supporters club reps have been so quiet through years worth of sh** and held no one accountable. JC may have a point (and i say again the volunteers deserve many thanks) however it is hard to take seriously when the SC has towed the party line for so long through a stream of sh** Ask the club to reveal the minutes of board meetings under the old regime. You may then take a slightly different view. It used to get quite heated. I have asked for details many times, but that old adage 'boardroom confidentiality' would come up. And remember before you say ignore it, that if you divulged anything of detriment to the club, you could be sued for any costs associated with the leaks. Sadly it was a no win situation with a bully in charge.
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Post by peterparker on May 21, 2016 17:20:18 GMT
It jusr seems such a queer point to speak out about when JC and the supporters club reps have been so quiet through years worth of sh** and held no one accountable. JC may have a point (and i say again the volunteers deserve many thanks) however it is hard to take seriously when the SC has towed the party line for so long through a stream of sh** Ask the club to reveal the minutes of board meetings under the old regime. You may then take a slightly different view. It used to get quite heated. I have asked for details many times, but that old adage 'boardroom confidentiality' would come up. And remember before you say ignore it, that if you divulged anything of detriment to the club, you could be sued for any costs associated with the leaks. Sadly it was a no win situation with a bully in charge. Who needs to see the minutes. If there were arguments and the SC reps disagreed. They should have stood up. If the club was run by a bully than the SC directors were worthless so what did it serve to carry on regardless? Nothing would have to be revealed or leaked but the SC coyld have said unfortunatley the direction of the club, the sidelining of SC directors means the have decided to withdraw them and raise the real concerns to the fan base. Lets not forget aside from a chunk of money, the SC provide valuable services to thr club. What would NH and co have done if the SC had threatened.to withdrawl these? Trrading water and moaning behind closed doors benefitted the fans how? The fans the SC are supposed to represent
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Post by Henbury Gas on May 21, 2016 17:51:28 GMT
spot on, these guys represent the old way, the sh**e way. Lets get some guys involved with 21st century knowhow. I look forward to you standing to run the club. In fact JC has been trying to step aside for some years. I'm sure he would welcome you with open arms. JC expressed a view which was shared by apparently hundreds of people who were asking why no bus tour, and I confess I was among them, on both my and my grandsons behalf. It was a poor decision. It didn't help that Mr Hamer kept giving different reasons for not doing it. Policy on the hoof I think they call it. As for the supporters club now being free to speak their mind, that's laughable, and indeed I believe may have led to this. The S/C directors are no longer welcome in box 1 yet former directors still make themselves known there. There have been no board meetings. There had been no official meeting between the s/c and the chairman to seek how best the s/c can help in ongoing fundraising etc. Basically it sounds like they are being sidelined. I hope I'm wrong. Im sure if it was Wael they were dealing with this would not happen. Sadly Mr Hamer had a similar effect at Swansea, where my cousin was a member of the supporters trust. With regard to travelling on s/c coaches, I too won't go on them. Not because of them, but because the rules governing what they can and can't do with regard to arriving at set times etc at away games cheeses me off, and no alcohol allowed. So I suppose the supporters club are to blame for that as well. But when trains get sorted they always do well. The last one to Norwich was brilliant, and no worries about the time of arrival. Still, we are where we are, and I don't see anything changing in the short term, but just hope that the investment in the playing side we all want will happen. The jury is still out on that one. One last point, if Mr Hamer reads this. Go and talk to the staff behind the scenes. They too feel totally out on a limb. Talk to them and give them some reassurance as to their futures. I have noted Mr B that you have an interersting slant on our chairpersons ability to run our club sucessfully based on his experience many years ago. So far Our Chairperson has done all the right things in the past few months yet you continually have little digs at him I can understand your concerns but give the man some time before you hang him
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Post by Okebournegas on May 21, 2016 18:02:37 GMT
But hanging someone prematurely is the rovers way ;-)
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 18:58:02 GMT
Well I'm glad the SC are piping up now, when we REALLY have something to moan about. Top work everyone. There are and always will be questions that need answers and the SC should be one of the groups that should ask them. They didn't when it really mattered apparently. When I have more time in will edit this post to include the questions I think should be asked. Nick Higgs was a dictator. Where do you think the SC would have ended up if they had complained when we were slowly going down the plug hole under his reign? We have fans directors, so for all the finger pointing at JC, why didn't those people gobbing off on here put their issues forwards to BSS or Ken? The club were strangling the SC, the kingswood shop was put up for sale, privileges were taken away from the shop. The share scheme became insignificant. Half of the noisy ones on here are probably not even part of the SC. I've noticed a few people suggesting the Chairman step down? So maybe there is a queue of volunteers to take his place...
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Post by peterparker on May 21, 2016 19:04:09 GMT
There are and always will be questions that need answers and the SC should be one of the groups that should ask them. They didn't when it really mattered apparently. When I have more time in will edit this post to include the questions I think should be asked. Nick Higgs was a dictator. Where do you think the SC would have ended up if they had complained when we were slowly going down the plug hole under his reign? We have fans directors, so for all the finger pointing at JC, why didn't those people gobbing off on here put their issues forwards to BSS or Ken? The club were strangling the SC, the kingswood shop was put up for sale, privileges were taken away from the shop. The share scheme became insignificant. Half of the noisy ones on here are probably not even part of the SC. I've noticed a few people suggesting the Chairman step down? So maybe there is a queue of volunteers to take his place... And if all that was true, (as i say) why didnt the SC stand up and tell the fans, the fans they are supposed to represent. Why not a story to the BEP. supporters club chairman hits out at dictator Higgs? You cant complain they were screwing the SC, if the SC come across as doing nothing to highlight the problem. What exactly did they gain by keeping up a pretence and moaning in the background? Perhaps standing up would have forced the apparent dictator Higgs to move aside earlier or would NH the fan have killed the club? JC cant insinuate NH was a top bloke and people moan the SC was being screwed by him. Seems to be wanting.it both ways
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 19:12:42 GMT
Nick Higgs was a dictator. Where do you think the SC would have ended up if they had complained when we were slowly going down the plug hole under his reign? We have fans directors, so for all the finger pointing at JC, why didn't those people gobbing off on here put their issues forwards to BSS or Ken? The club were strangling the SC, the kingswood shop was put up for sale, privileges were taken away from the shop. The share scheme became insignificant. Half of the noisy ones on here are probably not even part of the SC. I've noticed a few people suggesting the Chairman step down? So maybe there is a queue of volunteers to take his place... And if all that was true, (as i say) why didnt the SC stand up and tell the fans, the fans they are supposed to represent. Why not a story to the BEP. supporters club chairman hits out at dictator Higgs? You cant complain they were screwing the SC, if the SC come across as doing nothing to highlight the problem. What exactly did they gain by keeping up a pretence and moaning in the background? Perhaps standing up would have forced the apparent dictator Higgs to move aside earlier or would NH the fan have killed the club? JC cant insinuate NH was a top bloke and people moan the SC was being screwed by him. Seems to be wanting.it both ways Are you pleading ignorance? Interesting how it's interpreted that JC was praising NH? I read that as a dig tbh. The "his team" but anyway.
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Post by You can call me Al. on May 21, 2016 19:15:37 GMT
While we're bloody winning and lots of people think we've reached utopia no one dare breathe a soddin word, but surely theres a few of us who have slight niggling doubts about Hamer?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 19:30:06 GMT
While we're bloody winning and lots of people think we've reached utopia no one dare breathe a soddin word, but surely theres a few of us who have slight niggling doubts about Hamer? Of course. We are all just fickle football fans who cheer rapist/thug/racist players unless they play for the other team.... We've been promoted so everything is rosey in the garden. It's just a shame that if we sit bottom of league 1 in 5 months time DC will be getting abused, JC will be out of a job and we will be at the mercy of Hamers cheesy grin and the odd word from a Jordanian geezer who likes a sing song outside the Victoria!
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Post by You can call me Al. on May 21, 2016 19:35:55 GMT
While we're bloody winning and lots of people think we've reached utopia no one dare breathe a soddin word, but surely theres a few of us who have slight niggling doubts about Hamer? Of course. We are all just fickle football fans who cheer rapist/thug/racist players unless they play for the other team.... We've been promoted so everything is rosey in the garden. It's just a shame that if we sit bottom of league 1 in 5 months time DC will be getting abused, JC will be out of a job and we will be at the mercy of Hamers cheesy grin and the odd word from a Jordanian geezer who likes a sing song outside the Victoria! I have to say young man - you my son are bloody spot on!
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Post by peterparker on May 21, 2016 19:39:38 GMT
And if all that was true, (as i say) why didnt the SC stand up and tell the fans, the fans they are supposed to represent. Why not a story to the BEP. supporters club chairman hits out at dictator Higgs? You cant complain they were screwing the SC, if the SC come across as doing nothing to highlight the problem. What exactly did they gain by keeping up a pretence and moaning in the background? Perhaps standing up would have forced the apparent dictator Higgs to move aside earlier or would NH the fan have killed the club? JC cant insinuate NH was a top bloke and people moan the SC was being screwed by him. Seems to be wanting.it both ways Are you pleading ignorance? Interesting how it's interpreted that JC was praising NH? I read that as a dig tbh. The "his team" but anyway. Im not saying he was praising Nick Higgs, Top bloke migght be overststing it, but amazing to suddenly find a voice and a gripe and air it now. There have been plenty of opportunities over the years. In not doing so comes across as though all was okay
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Post by You can call me Al. on May 21, 2016 19:42:24 GMT
Are you pleading ignorance? Interesting how it's interpreted that JC was praising NH? I read that as a dig tbh. The "his team" but anyway. Im not saying he was praising Nick Higgs, Top bloke migght be overststing it, but amazing to suddenly find a voice and a gripe and air it now. There have been plenty of opportunities over the years. In not doing so comes across as though all was okay I thought this was the bloody new start/move on from the past times we all yearned for. Now the bloke stands up and says his opinions and all bleedin hell breaks loose slating him for doing what you've all soddin wanted him to do!
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Post by Henbury Gas on May 21, 2016 19:43:14 GMT
I can sense battle lines being drawn up over our new chairperson.... much like it was with NH and GD
Nothing changes.......
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Post by peterparker on May 21, 2016 19:47:47 GMT
I can sense battle lines being drawn up over our new chairperson.... much like it was with NH and GD Nothing changes....... No battle line here over the chairman. Just seems a bit queer to me have all the apparent opportunity to speak up and maybe effect some change and the SC doesnt say boo to a Goose, but the moment they might be sidelined we get a watery fit over an open top Bus. Hardly the biggest issue that has plagued the club. And I will leave it there
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 21, 2016 19:47:58 GMT
I can sense battle lines being drawn up over our new chairperson.... much like it was with NH and GD Nothing changes....... That would be a very sorry state of affairs. It should not be a battle.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 19:51:10 GMT
Are you pleading ignorance? Interesting how it's interpreted that JC was praising NH? I read that as a dig tbh. The "his team" but anyway. Im not saying he was praising Nick Higgs, Top bloke migght be overststing it, but amazing to suddenly find a voice and a gripe and air it now. There have been plenty of opportunities over the years. In not doing so comes across as though all was okay Is the Rovers fans base as ignorant as you make out? Of course not. So we all needed telling that Higgs was running the club into the ground did we? That he is pig headed? Of course we didn't. That seat on the board is worthless,you and all Rovers fans know that. The real gripe with many in this thread is the share scheme money which the seat ' bought'. Perhaps that is where the ignorance lies; in those who actually believed that it would be an 'equal 'seat' with other directors. And you don't need telling that the person who willingly gave your money to the club was shown the door we we got relegated.
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Post by gashead1981 on May 21, 2016 20:55:07 GMT
spot on, these guys represent the old way, the sh**e way. Lets get some guys involved with 21st century knowhow. I look forward to you standing to run the club. In fact JC has been trying to step aside for some years. I'm sure he would welcome you with open arms. JC expressed a view which was shared by apparently hundreds of people who were asking why no bus tour, and I confess I was among them, on both my and my grandsons behalf. It was a poor decision. It didn't help that Mr Hamer kept giving different reasons for not doing it. Policy on the hoof I think they call it. As for the supporters club now being free to speak their mind, that's laughable, and indeed I believe may have led to this. The S/C directors are no longer welcome in box 1 yet former directors still make themselves known there. There have been no board meetings. There had been no official meeting between the s/c and the chairman to seek how best the s/c can help in ongoing fundraising etc. Basically it sounds like they are being sidelined. I hope I'm wrong. And that is what I was told from the horses mouth. i would happily do something for the club. I've put some money in this year through sponsorship of the blackthorn end and one of the exec boxes and I am looking to do more next season. I would happily give a bit more by giving my time. Perhaps i I could be contacted by those concerned.
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