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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2016 22:42:41 GMT
But how many times have we seen teams in this tournament like Iceland,Northern Ireland,Bales just defend with nine men behind the ball,nothing to lose everything to gain and fair play to them,it's very hard to break down. Lets see how we get on when we can break on teams who attack us,lets see how we get on when we are underdogs. We're still in it and other than Spain I haven't been that impressed with the rest.
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Post by puregas on Jun 20, 2016 23:23:24 GMT
What a f**king shambles of an organisation.
Around 40000 England fans leaving the stadium, with no extra transport, at around 11.30-12.00, trying to fit on the normal scheduled trains to Lyon.
Chaos!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 5:25:41 GMT
A bit of perspective.
Slovakia actually beat Spain in the qualifying group. They also won 3-1 in Germany in the last warm-up game. The tag of 'minnows' is a bit condescending.
However, Bertrand was a failure at Left Back. Danny Rose is the much better option. Wilshire - I was wrong. I had called for him to replace Rooney, but Wilshire was terrible. He should only appear again in the event of an extreme emergency. Henderson - I like him, I like his attitude, but unfortunately he is just not International class, although his ability to pick out the first defender from set-pieces can only be admired. Hart - Doesn't he make you nervous? Woy - His substitutions worked against Wales, but were terrible last night. Bringing off Sturridge when Vardy had completely disappeared was a bit baffling. Rooney - Sorry, but he is still not good enough. Not good enough to be a striker, not good enough for central midfield. Was brought on the play wide midfield! How does that work then? Vardy - Should only be used as an impact sub when the game opens up. If we have to break down a defence he is wasted. In International football there is not usually much space behind the defence. He needs that space to use his pace. It worked once in the first half, but he wasted it. Lallana - Works very hard at the pressing, as he has learnt under Klopp, however his work rate is wasted unless the rest of the team join in. Kyle Walker - would have had a field day. Rashford - Should have come on instead of Kane. England needed a bit of trickery from someone.......anyone. Rashford can do that, Kane can't.
Also, why play the Diamond Formation in midfield when it is a formation that NONE of the players use at their clubs?
Yet another evening spent shouting at the tele. Yet another day where the Germans in work just smirk as they walk past my desk. First comment this morning, "Nobby, is Joe Hart the best keeper you have? God help you"......complete with laughter as they walk away. Second comment, "Ha, ha, ha....Rooney...ha, ha ha!".
I have to keep a stiff upper lip as I am verbally assaulted by my Boche workmates.
In summary, Roy fecked up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 5:34:00 GMT
Oh, and why oh why are England the only team to do the following.....and they do this time and time again.
Centre halves have the ball, they pass it to a midfield player 10 yrds in front of them, who then plays it straight back to the centre half, who then doesn't have a friggin clue what to do with the ball? The opposition defence don't need to move or do anything, but just watch as England just waste time and slow everything down. The opposition are actually happy to see Smalling and Cahill with the ball at their feet because the whole world knows that they'd struggle to pass the salt, yet alone a football. Smalling and Cahill are not exactly a strong defensive unit. Put Stones in. The defence will still be suspect, but at least he can pass the ball, or at least advance with it. With about 10 minutes to go last night, Smalling actually tried to advance down the left channel with the ball, but he over ran the ball, had to stretch, and just 'passed' it out of play for a throwin to the other team. In reality, it should have been a simple pass to an England player. A German/Italian/French etc etc centre half would have made that simple pass.
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Post by newmarketgas on Jun 21, 2016 7:56:59 GMT
This is all Roy's big plan, he want's us to face Wales in the final, he knows that day is St Bahlambs day, they will have the mind set of over excited children on a day like that. Or............we are rubbish and it's the best we could do.
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Post by markczgas on Jun 21, 2016 8:18:41 GMT
Oh, and why oh why are England the only team to do the following.....and they do this time and time again. Centre halves have the ball, they pass it to a midfield player 10 yrds in front of them, who then plays it straight back to the centre half, who then doesn't have a friggin clue what to do with the ball? The opposition defence don't need to move or do anything, but just watch as England just waste time and slow everything down. The opposition are actually happy to see Smalling and Cahill with the ball at their feet because the whole world knows that they'd struggle to pass the salt, yet alone a football. Smalling and Cahill are not exactly a strong defensive unit. Put Stones in. The defence will still be suspect, but at least he can pass the ball, or at least advance with it. With about 10 minutes to go last night, Smalling actually tried to advance down the left channel with the ball, but he over ran the ball, had to stretch, and just 'passed' it out of play for a throwin to the other team. In reality, it should have been a simple pass to an England player. A German/Italian/French etc etc centre half would have made that simple pass. So what would your starting eleven be ?? sounds like you slagged them all off !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 8:38:02 GMT
Oh, and why oh why are England the only team to do the following.....and they do this time and time again. Centre halves have the ball, they pass it to a midfield player 10 yrds in front of them, who then plays it straight back to the centre half, who then doesn't have a friggin clue what to do with the ball? The opposition defence don't need to move or do anything, but just watch as England just waste time and slow everything down. The opposition are actually happy to see Smalling and Cahill with the ball at their feet because the whole world knows that they'd struggle to pass the salt, yet alone a football. Smalling and Cahill are not exactly a strong defensive unit. Put Stones in. The defence will still be suspect, but at least he can pass the ball, or at least advance with it. With about 10 minutes to go last night, Smalling actually tried to advance down the left channel with the ball, but he over ran the ball, had to stretch, and just 'passed' it out of play for a throwin to the other team. In reality, it should have been a simple pass to an England player. A German/Italian/French etc etc centre half would have made that simple pass. So what would your starting eleven be ?? sounds like you slagged them all off ! Hart in goal. Full backs Rose and Walker Centre Halves - Stones and Cahill Midfield - Lallana, Alli, Dier, Barkley...........Wilshire, Sterling, Rooney & Henderson have all failed. That only leaves Milner. Strikers - Sturridge, Rashford...........Kane, Rooney, Vardy, no. One other option is to play Dier at centre back, creating space in midfield for another player. I keep saying this, but it's easy to play against England. Just let Cahill and Smalling have the ball, mark the rest of the team, and England go nowhere! We need either Stones or Dier to move forward with the ball, attracting the opposition to them. This creates space and enables movement for the other players. Just watch Hummels and Boetang for Germany.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 21, 2016 8:46:50 GMT
Hodgeson f**ked up before we even got on the plane by bringing Milner, Sterling Wilshire and Henderson.
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Post by markczgas on Jun 21, 2016 8:48:38 GMT
Agree with most of this and understand what you are getting at as regards coming out from the back, but Barkley !? (he's been way off form) I'd still have Rooney there, and I don't know why you think Vardy has let England down - he scores pretty well every time he plays and is always a goal threat.
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Post by markczgas on Jun 21, 2016 8:51:08 GMT
Anyway chaps, Poland is my first team and for the first time in ages I think we can go further than England in the tournament but it REMAINs to be seen
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 8:52:18 GMT
Hodgeson f**ked up before we even got on the plane by bringing Milner, Sterling Wilshire and Henderson. I agree with you, but we've got what we've got.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 8:59:03 GMT
Agree with most of this and understand what you are getting at as regards coming out from the back, but Barkley !? (he's been way off form) I'd still have Rooney there, and I don't know why you think Vardy has let England down - he scores pretty well every time he plays and is always a goal threat. I say Barkley because all the rest (apart from Milner) have played, and played badly. Milner is Milner. He's not going to win any games for you, but he'll probably rate a 6.5 in any game. Vardy is only good if you uses his one and only asset, and that is his pace. You can only utilize that pace when there is space behind the defence. Take way that space, and therefore his one and only asset, his pace, and you've got a bang average striker (in my humble opinion). International defences don't normally leave a lot of space behind them. He disappeared for most of the game last night, and when he had the one chance, he fluffed it. Seriously, where was he in the second half? Something has to change because in the three games so far, England's most creative dangerous player has been the right-back in each game!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 9:01:25 GMT
Anyway chaps, Poland is my first team and for the first time in ages I think we can go further than England in the tournament but it REMAINs to be seen I think they will go OUT in the next round It'll be a swift EURO EXIT in my opinion!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 9:04:38 GMT
Oh, and why oh why are England the only team to do the following.....and they do this time and time again. Centre halves have the ball, they pass it to a midfield player 10 yrds in front of them, who then plays it straight back to the centre half, who then doesn't have a friggin clue what to do with the ball? The opposition defence don't need to move or do anything, but just watch as England just waste time and slow everything down. The opposition are actually happy to see Smalling and Cahill with the ball at their feet because the whole world knows that they'd struggle to pass the salt, yet alone a football. Smalling and Cahill are not exactly a strong defensive unit. Put Stones in. The defence will still be suspect, but at least he can pass the ball, or at least advance with it. With about 10 minutes to go last night, Smalling actually tried to advance down the left channel with the ball, but he over ran the ball, had to stretch, and just 'passed' it out of play for a throwin to the other team. In reality, it should have been a simple pass to an England player. A German/Italian/French etc etc centre half would have made that simple pass. Yep, this absolutely boils my water to the point I'm embarrassed for them. Worst ball playing centre halves we've had for years. Henderson would receive a pass from Cahill or smalling, in space, but without attempting to turn he would just knock it straight back. They just look sh** scared to do anything with it. Safe passes, every time. No one takes any responsibility. No confidence. Obviously it would've been different with walker, rose, Rooney and delle Ali playing but even the starting XI last night should've had some bollocks to play the ball forward.
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Post by I Voted For Kodos on Jun 21, 2016 9:13:03 GMT
Is a 0-0 (after changing a few players) that keeps us in contention a catastrophic result?
Maybe Slovakia = Stevenage?
DC Out!
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Post by p4perlant3rn on Jun 21, 2016 9:17:49 GMT
My biggest frustration was the complete lack of a plan B, they just passed the ball from side to side without any sort of cutting edge. It was crying out for someone like Andy Carroll after 70 mins or so to give an option of delivering balls into the box (if they could actually beat the first man) and then looking for second balls.
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Post by youmadethatup on Jun 21, 2016 9:21:23 GMT
Credit to the ITV commentary team - they strove manfully to big the England, er, team. It was pitiful towards the end the commentators voice sounded like he was about to cry except when Rooney was on the ball when it went up two notches and was aggressive in sound....made I chuckle like.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 21, 2016 9:21:51 GMT
Is a 0-0 (after changing a few players) that keeps us in contention a catastrophic result? Maybe Slovakia = Stevenage? DC Out! Nah,it's not that bad but the problem is if we were still playing now we wouldn't have scored yet.
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Post by socrates on Jun 21, 2016 9:24:47 GMT
It was crying out for us to get it to the byline and drill it across low and hard but I can't remember us doing that once. Every time we went wide it went back in to the middle and we gave away possession or we crossed to high to skirtels head. We tried to play like Spain we should have played it quicker and wider with more tempo and pysicallity, the English way, we haven't got the creativity of the more technical nations.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Jun 21, 2016 9:30:16 GMT
Look at it this way. Everyone we expected to be sh** were sh**. Even Roy can see this. We should still have a pretty straight forward game in the next round. Even if we play Portugal they're nothing special.
Someone mentioned that we would have to play France in the quarters potentially. The weight of expectation on their shoulders seems to affect them and they've struggled to break teams down.
I honestly think that if a team actually give us a game we can score goals. I would go with the team that started against Wales except Sturridge for Sterling and Rashford for Kane.
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