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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 21, 2016 9:34:00 GMT
i'm not one for voicing my opinion about football tactics because i don't know much about those sort of things, but watching England play last night was like watching a John Ward team, Utter Bollocks and crap to watch
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 9:42:46 GMT
Yeh that's ok.He was excellent first half against Russia and average the rest of the time imo.His time is gone,he's never been a midfield player anyway but we should have been playing the young guns in the qualifying group and let them get some preparation for the real thing. I mean I'm sure you're a terrific football pundit and everything mate but before I head to work I'll just leave you with the reports that he received from the head football writer at BBC Sport in their player ratings for the Russia and Wales games. <cough> man of the match twice <cough> vs Russia:Wayne Rooney (central midfield) 8 England's man of the match. Great range of passing and controlled the game until he was taken off. Outstanding. vs Wales:Wayne Rooney (midfielder) - 8 - man of the match England's best and most composed player again. Very consistent in the first two games of Euro 2016. Huge influence on the team.
All about opinions of course but good to know I'm not on my own on this one lol. He was very poor today though, there is no doubt about that. But I think he'd be at the back of the queue if we're looking for players who failed to turn up at this tournament for England. He is an easy target though of course. Ah yes that would be the same writer who rated Rooney as our best midfield/striker last night! It's bollox like this that fuel the 'easy target' jibes imo.The major frustration for me is seeing these millionaire primadonnas strut their stuff while our Rovers lads give their blood and guts for a pittance in relation to what these people are paid.Spoiled b@stards us gasheads eh!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 9:45:23 GMT
I mean I'm sure you're a terrific football pundit and everything mate but before I head to work I'll just leave you with the reports that he received from the head football writer at BBC Sport in their player ratings for the Russia and Wales games. <cough> man of the match twice <cough> vs Russia:Wayne Rooney (central midfield) 8 England's man of the match. Great range of passing and controlled the game until he was taken off. Outstanding. vs Wales:Wayne Rooney (midfielder) - 8 - man of the match England's best and most composed player again. Very consistent in the first two games of Euro 2016. Huge influence on the team.
All about opinions of course but good to know I'm not on my own on this one lol. He was very poor today though, there is no doubt about that. But I think he'd be at the back of the queue if we're looking for players who failed to turn up at this tournament for England. He is an easy target though of course. Ah yes that would be the same writer who rated Rooney as our best midfield/striker last night! It's bollox like this that fuel the 'easy target' jibes imo.The major frustration for me is seeing these millionaire primadonnas strut their stuff while our Rovers lads give their blood and guts for a pittance in relation to what these people are paid.Spoiled b@stards us gasheads eh! In fairness, there have also been a lot of prima donnas who strutted their stuff for Rovers in the past as well!
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Post by Okebournegas on Jun 21, 2016 9:50:12 GMT
Oh, and why oh why are England the only team to do the following.....and they do this time and time again. Centre halves have the ball, they pass it to a midfield player 10 yrds in front of them, who then plays it straight back to the centre half, who then doesn't have a friggin clue what to do with the ball? The opposition defence don't need to move or do anything, but just watch as England just waste time and slow everything down. The opposition are actually happy to see Smalling and Cahill with the ball at their feet because the whole world knows that they'd struggle to pass the salt, yet alone a football. Smalling and Cahill are not exactly a strong defensive unit. Put Stones in. The defence will still be suspect, but at least he can pass the ball, or at least advance with it. With about 10 minutes to go last night, Smalling actually tried to advance down the left channel with the ball, but he over ran the ball, had to stretch, and just 'passed' it out of play for a throwin to the other team. In reality, it should have been a simple pass to an England player. A German/Italian/French etc etc centre half would have made that simple pass. So what would your starting eleven be ?? sounds like you slagged them all off ! A German starting 11
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jun 21, 2016 9:51:48 GMT
Ah yes that would be the same writer who rated Rooney as our best midfield/striker last night! It's bollox like this that fuel the 'easy target' jibes imo.The major frustration for me is seeing these millionaire primadonnas strut their stuff while our Rovers lads give their blood and guts for a pittance in relation to what these people are paid.Spoiled b@stards us gasheads eh! In fairness, there have also been a lot of prima donnas who strutted their stuff for Rovers in the past as well! and still are...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 10:00:29 GMT
So what would your starting eleven be ?? sounds like you slagged them all off ! A German starting 11 Mmmmm, I have my views on the Boche team. However, I haven't seen any outstanding team performances yet, and I think it's down to the format. With the 3rd best teams going through in most groups it has encouraged teams to be more defensive, which has stifled the exciting stuff. I'm looking forward to the knock-out stages, as once any team scores, then the game must open up.
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Post by newbeginning on Jun 21, 2016 10:06:00 GMT
We've had a group where all the teams would have bit your hand off for a 0-0 before the game and we've had to be patient and try to break them down. Sometimes the build up play has been too slow but because we lack a ozil or silva type player we have no choice but to try and lure the other team out by playing it across the back. Only thing is Slovakia Wales and Russia weren't interested in trying to close us down. But when we come to play a better team who are more likely to be expansive I think England are going to surprise a lot of teams
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Post by newmarketgas on Jun 21, 2016 10:11:49 GMT
When we have a good manager we will do better, it's been a very long time since we had one of those.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 10:18:57 GMT
When we have a good manager we will do better, it's been a very long time since we had one of those. Here's one for the anoraks then....Look at, say, the last four World Cup's and the last four European Championship's, and how many of the winning manager's had successful club careers (as a Manager)?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jun 21, 2016 10:19:37 GMT
We've had a group where all the teams would have bit your hand off for a 0-0 before the game and we've had to be patient and try to break them down. Sometimes the build up play has been too slow but because we lack a ozil or silva type player we have no choice but to try and lure the other team out by playing it across the back. Only thing is Slovakia Wales and Russia weren't interested in trying to close us down. But when we come to play a better team who are more likely to be expansive I think England are going to surprise a lot of teams Unless we concede first, and then it's back to what you describe above.
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Post by yatetown85 on Jun 21, 2016 10:27:38 GMT
I'd love it if Wales end up getting Germany after topping the group, Woy could have pulled off a master stroke!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 10:28:47 GMT
We've had a group where all the teams would have bit your hand off for a 0-0 before the game and we've had to be patient and try to break them down. Sometimes the build up play has been too slow but because we lack a ozil or silva type player we have no choice but to try and lure the other team out by playing it across the back. Only thing is Slovakia Wales and Russia weren't interested in trying to close us down. But when we come to play a better team who are more likely to be expansive I think England are going to surprise a lot of teams Unless we concede first, and then it's back to what you describe above. Simples. We park the bus, then loft the ball long and high for Forrest Gump Jamie Vardy to chase like a greyhound on crack cocaine. It's a winner I tell ye.
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Post by Okebournegas on Jun 21, 2016 10:43:03 GMT
Mmmmm, I have my views on the Boche team. However, I haven't seen any outstanding team performances yet, and I think it's down to the format. With the 3rd best teams going through in most groups it has encouraged teams to be more defensive, which has stifled the exciting stuff. I'm looking forward to the knock-out stages, as once any team scores, then the game must open up. I think the only positive that I can get from the games in which we've played , and I am really grasping at straws here, is that when we play a team that actually sets out to play and not defend for 90 mins then I do think we may have a bit of success in front of goal , but then I still worry about our centre backs. Like you have said give stones a chance as he likes to come forward with the ball , it won't make our defence more solid but at least he would be another outlet.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 11:00:20 GMT
Mmmmm, I have my views on the Boche team. However, I haven't seen any outstanding team performances yet, and I think it's down to the format. With the 3rd best teams going through in most groups it has encouraged teams to be more defensive, which has stifled the exciting stuff. I'm looking forward to the knock-out stages, as once any team scores, then the game must open up. I think the only positive that I can get from the games in which we've played , and I am really grasping at straws here, is that when we play a team that actually sets out to play and not defend for 90 mins then I do think we may have a bit of success in front of goal , but then I still worry about our centre backs. Like you have said give stones a chance as he likes to come forward with the ball , it won't make our defence more solid but at least he would be another outlet. Tsk, England fans grasping at straws eh? When ever has that happened before eh! The first knock-out games will still be pretty uninspiring as teams like Iceland etc will look to take games to penalties if possible. I don't think the games will open up until the quarter finals. Oh, I'm going to have one more moan. Last night's kit! Red with blue socks!!! What the feckity feck was that all about? It was a fashion disaster. I know colour blocking is the in-thing amongst the Facebook Generation, but pleeeeaze.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 21, 2016 11:03:32 GMT
I think the only positive that I can get from the games in which we've played , and I am really grasping at straws here, is that when we play a team that actually sets out to play and not defend for 90 mins then I do think we may have a bit of success in front of goal , but then I still worry about our centre backs. Like you have said give stones a chance as he likes to come forward with the ball , it won't make our defence more solid but at least he would be another outlet. Tsk, England fans grasping at straws eh? When ever has that happened before eh! The first knock-out games will still be pretty uninspiring as teams like Iceland etc will look to take games to penalties if possible. I don't think the games will open up until the quarter finals. Oh, I'm going to have one more moan. Last night's kit! Red with blue socks!!! What the feckity feck was that all about? It was a fashion disaster. I know colour blocking is the in-thing amongst the Facebook Generation, but pleeeeaze. The home kit is just as wrong. f**k off Nike.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 11:06:15 GMT
Tsk, England fans grasping at straws eh? When ever has that happened before eh! The first knock-out games will still be pretty uninspiring as teams like Iceland etc will look to take games to penalties if possible. I don't think the games will open up until the quarter finals. Oh, I'm going to have one more moan. Last night's kit! Red with blue socks!!! What the feckity feck was that all about? It was a fashion disaster. I know colour blocking is the in-thing amongst the Facebook Generation, but pleeeeaze. The home kit is just as wrong. f**k off Nike. That red kit, with the darker red sleeves........It looks like a Lego figure!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 11:18:53 GMT
I have a confession to make. I lie to my five year old son.
Let me explain.
Basically, he's German, although he does have German and English football kits, he loves his German one. Yesterday he said to me, "today we'll both support England. And tomorrow we'll both support Germany"......bless him. He wants to join in with me, and for me to join in with him. Of course, as Father's do, I said, "yes, of course", as I smiled and ruffled his hair. He skipped off happy as a sand boy. However, we all know that I will be sat there tonight silently cheering on the Northern Irish....bugger, I'd cheer on a team of Orc's if they were playing against Germany ! There is no way on God's Earth that I would ever support a German football team.
Is it ok to lie to a young 'un? Does this make me a bad person?
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Post by newmarketgas on Jun 21, 2016 12:09:55 GMT
When we have a good manager we will do better, it's been a very long time since we had one of those. Here's one for the anoraks then....Look at, say, the last four World Cup's and the last four European Championship's, and how many of the winning manager's had successful club careers (as a Manager)? I don't want a manager who has won everything, I want a good manager, look at BRFC, a lot of I would say average players but a very good manager. That is what England need, but it is not easy to find one.
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Post by RD on Jun 21, 2016 12:46:39 GMT
Here's one for the anoraks then....Look at, say, the last four World Cup's and the last four European Championship's, and how many of the winning manager's had successful club careers (as a Manager)? I don't want a manager who has won everything, I want a good manager, look at BRFC, a lot of I would say average players but a very good manager. That is what England need, but it is not easy to find one. Claudio Ranieri perhaps?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 13:00:35 GMT
Here's one for the anoraks then....Look at, say, the last four World Cup's and the last four European Championship's, and how many of the winning manager's had successful club careers (as a Manager)? I don't want a manager who has won everything, I want a good manager, look at BRFC, a lot of I would say average players but a very good manager. That is what England need, but it is not easy to find one. The I'm trying to make is that the majority of World and European Championship winners/managers were people who didn't have that good a career at club level. Off the top of my head, look at Jürgen Löw (Germany), or previously Bertie Vogts, or Franz Beckenbauer, or Big Phil Scolatchi (or whatever his name is). Who was the french manager who won the World Cup? Being a successful club manager appears to have little bearing on what it takes to be successful at International level. Maybe, in the past, England have been looking at the wrong people.
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