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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 18:27:30 GMT
I am saying that I don't think the present manager is up to the job and needs to go. The simple fact is where we are is not acceptable we have not got the results required and that is the managers responsibility. It is then up to the club to appoint the right man to change our fortunes whether it works or not is a gamble that's football. I don't think that plodding along with an inept manager is the right option. It's the managers responsibility? So the BoD and the players don't count whatsoever? Whilst it maybe up to the club to appoint the right manager there is little evidence they have the capability to that, also would a new manager deal with DC's players with little money to bring in their own players, after all sacking JW last season was hardly a great move. I'd give DC 3 games to turn things around, as if we are still struggling by our third home game then we have big problems. I didn't say that the players BoD etc. do not count I think they both have a case to answer. However it is the manager who trains,prepares, selects and sends the team out onto the field of play. It is the managers responsibility to get the required results with what he has available.
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Post by newmarketgas on Aug 17, 2014 18:31:43 GMT
Am I the only idiot waiting ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 18:37:18 GMT
Am I the only idiot waiting ? No. Me too
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 19:23:41 GMT
Am I the only idiot waiting ? No. Me too ... and me. I'm on tenterhooks, and waiting to be reeled in!
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Post by Hugo Admin on Aug 17, 2014 19:32:20 GMT
Ok. Hold on its coming.
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Post by Hugo Admin on Aug 17, 2014 19:53:49 GMT
.Bear with me on this
For those of you that don't know, I am a fisherman. An angler if you like.
I am not one for sitting by the bank for hours waiting for something to bite, I like a bit more action. I lure fish. For those of you who don't know, lure fishing is a little bit different. You use short rods and little plastic/wood lures and you are constantly casting and retrieving to 'lure' the predatory fish in to biting your lure. If they don't, you move on. You fish the sea on rocky outcrops amongst the waves.
Here's how you catch a fish.
Firstly you choose a good place and time. When you have done this you attach a lure to your line and you begin to cast. If you are sensible, you cast left, then left of center, then center then right of center and then right. You try different types of retrieve to see where the fish are feeding. You start off with a slow retrieve, the a fast retrieve, low and high in the water. First low and fast and then low and slow. Then high and fast followed by high and slow.
If this doesn't work, you change lures. If the new lure doesn't work, you change again and if that doesn't work you move on to another spot.
My point is this.
In fishing you systematically change your approach until something works for you. You change the direction then you change the method of retrieve. You change the lure then you change the spot.
At the end of the day if you haven't caught anything (and I myself have been guilty of this) you go ***g mental. You're changing lures all the time you are casting here there anywhere you have just lost the plot because you haven't caught a fish yet. Yo lose complete control of the system and the worst thing is this... Even if you do somehow happen to catch something, you have no idea what it is that worked.
DC for me so far has been an awful lot like this. He is the fisherman who at the end of the day and desperately wanting to report back to his wife successfully with a fish for the table has mixed things up to the point of no return. Our system is now so far removed from the basics that we don't know where we are at. We are blindly casting around for a formation, a setup that might work instead of sticking with what we know did work at Grimsby for example and building from there.
My point is this. Darrell, stick to the trusted spots and trusting methods instead of losing the plot like you have done the last two games. What I have seen over the last couple of games is a man who doesn't know what direction he wants to go in and doesnt know what to do and is blindly casting about hoping for a miracle which isn't going to come.
Get back to basics and choose a formation. Choose a squad. these guys are not capable of playing this role or that role. The reality is they are footballers and most likely thick as pig sh*t. Find a system that works (?Grimsby) and stick to it. Then if you bring in players you can say hey you've seen us play you know how we play you are going in here, go out and do it.
At the moment he looks like a fisherman down on his luck.
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Post by Gas-Ed on Aug 17, 2014 20:03:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 20:13:22 GMT
So, you're tell us that DC is shacked up with NH, and that they enjoy cosy fish suppers? ![:scared:](http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/scared/scared0016.gif)
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Post by Hugo Admin on Aug 17, 2014 20:18:22 GMT
That's it? I pour my fishy soul in to that post and that's all I get back?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 20:21:18 GMT
That's it? I pour my fishy soul in to that post and that's all I get back? Actually, it was a very good analogy. But I'm now stuck with an image of DC in a Sou'wester and wellies.
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Post by ganymede on Aug 17, 2014 20:22:02 GMT
That's it? I pour my fishy soul in to that post and that's all I get back? Speechless mate ... speechless!
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Post by newmarketgas on Aug 17, 2014 20:43:16 GMT
I have given this 40 minutes thought, I have decided........Ras, you seem crazy as a coconut but then again, you might just have this right. Well done young man, get on to Mr Higgs and be in the dressing room next week. UTG.
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Post by aghast on Aug 17, 2014 21:17:12 GMT
That's it? I pour my fishy soul in to that post and that's all I get back? The problem seems to me that DC was promised this to do his fishing for new players: ![](http://www.jdunns.com/quetico2006/DSC01298.jpg) and in the end was given this: ![](http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01686/renault-puddle_1686823c.jpg)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 21:30:03 GMT
Two things I will say in defence of Clarke, although I do think he has to start getting results soon:
1) Defensive errors. Have we actually conceded a goal yet which wasn't due to individual defensive errors? I'm not 100% sure what a manager is supposed to do about them, aside from drop the defender/s who are making them. They're schoolboy, even comical errors. Here's Saturday's goals for Altrincham below, if anyone has the stomach to watch them.
2) The whole 'preparation thing'. Going up on the morning of a game which is realistically 3/4 hours away for a club the size of BRFC is water poor. Yes, I know the 'big club' attitude doesn't apply in the Conference, but we are big enough to be professional. I saw Accrington going to Cheltenham on Friday afternoon, a club who has always operated using a much lower budget than us on much lower crowds. Professionalism is the only way we will beat part-time teams, and not staying overnight before preparing properly on the day is half of the reason we lost. Fail to prepare, prepare to fail.
Point 2 is solely down to the board, and if it can't be sorted by them then I feel maybe the fans would have to raise the funds. Fecking appalling but it's true. Preparation is fundamental to getting results, and if we aren't professional about it then we may as well go part-time.
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Post by old_fogey on Aug 17, 2014 21:54:38 GMT
Two things I will say in defence of Clarke, although I do think he has to start getting results soon: 1) Defensive errors. Have we actually conceded a goal yet which wasn't due to individual defensive errors? I'm not 100% sure what a manager is supposed to do about them, aside from drop the defender/s who are making them. They're schoolboy, even comical errors. Here's Saturday's goals for Altrincham below, if anyone has the stomach to watch them. 2) The whole 'preparation thing'. Going up on the morning of a game which is realistically 3/4 hours away for a club the size of BRFC is water poor. Yes, I know the 'big club' attitude doesn't apply in the Conference, but we are big enough to be professional. I saw Accrington going to Cheltenham on Friday afternoon, a club who has always operated using a much lower budget than us on much lower crowds. Professionalism is the only way we will beat part-time teams, and not staying overnight before preparing properly on the day is half of the reason we lost. Fail to prepare, prepare to fail. Point 2 is solely down to the board, and if it can't be sorted by them then I feel maybe the fans would have to raise the funds. Fecking appalling but it's true. Preparation is fundamental to getting results, and if we aren't professional about it then we may as well go part-time. Agreed that the defensive errors are individual and comical, but we aren't creating a great deal either. Also agree the preparation was not ideal in terms of travelling BUT the Lincoln players and manager drove themselves to Barnet and beat the team that turned us over midweek. Maybe their players and club want it more! The excuses are just wearing very thin.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 22:02:05 GMT
Two things I will say in defence of Clarke, although I do think he has to start getting results soon: 1) Defensive errors. Have we actually conceded a goal yet which wasn't due to individual defensive errors? I'm not 100% sure what a manager is supposed to do about them, aside from drop the defender/s who are making them. They're schoolboy, even comical errors. Here's Saturday's goals for Altrincham below, if anyone has the stomach to watch them. 2) The whole 'preparation thing'. Going up on the morning of a game which is realistically 3/4 hours away for a club the size of BRFC is water poor. Yes, I know the 'big club' attitude doesn't apply in the Conference, but we are big enough to be professional. I saw Accrington going to Cheltenham on Friday afternoon, a club who has always operated using a much lower budget than us on much lower crowds. Professionalism is the only way we will beat part-time teams, and not staying overnight before preparing properly on the day is half of the reason we lost. Fail to prepare, prepare to fail. Point 2 is solely down to the board, and if it can't be sorted by them then I feel maybe the fans would have to raise the funds. Fecking appalling but it's true. Preparation is fundamental to getting results, and if we aren't professional about it then we may as well go part-time. Agreed that the defensive errors are individual and comical, but we aren't creating a great deal either. Also agree the preparation was not ideal in terms of travelling BUT the Lincoln players and manager drove themselves to Barnet and beat the team that turned us over midweek. Maybe their players and club want it more! The excuses are just wearing very thin. That's a fair enough point re: preparation, but at least Lincoln's situation wasn't their own doing. You don't lose games of football if you don't concede. Yes the attacking side of our game can be improved, but that can be changed with just 3 games gone. Stupid individual errors are not something DC can do a lot about, and we'll keep losing football games if we keep producing the same errors.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 6:32:18 GMT
Two things I will say in defence of Clarke, although I do think he has to start getting results soon: 1) Defensive errors. Have we actually conceded a goal yet which wasn't due to individual defensive errors? I'm not 100% sure what a manager is supposed to do about them, aside from drop the defender/s who are making them. They're schoolboy, even comical errors. Here's Saturday's goals for Altrincham below, if anyone has the stomach to watch them. 2) The whole 'preparation thing'. Going up on the morning of a game which is realistically 3/4 hours away for a club the size of BRFC is water poor. Yes, I know the 'big club' attitude doesn't apply in the Conference, but we are big enough to be professional. I saw Accrington going to Cheltenham on Friday afternoon, a club who has always operated using a much lower budget than us on much lower crowds. Professionalism is the only way we will beat part-time teams, and not staying overnight before preparing properly on the day is half of the reason we lost. Fail to prepare, prepare to fail. Point 2 is solely down to the board, and if it can't be sorted by them then I feel maybe the fans would have to raise the funds. Fecking appalling but it's true. Preparation is fundamental to getting results, and if we aren't professional about it then we may as well go part-time. I don't see point 1 as a valid ground for defending the manager. Defensive errors are usually forced. Barnets first goal built up from their own half so if the error is the keeper getting megged, I don't think that's fair. I guess it depends on what you seem an error? A striker out maneuvering(sp) a defender at a corner..... is that a well worked corner or a defender error, or both? There is a whole heap (walleep in patwa) of erroneous play by us atm , we are far from being competitive. That being said, I do feel sorry for DC as I did some of the others until they self destructed.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 18, 2014 7:53:02 GMT
Another thing in defence of Clarke is by judging on that video the defending was awful. The first thing he did as manager was break up the Parkes - McChrystal partnership. He can't replace either of them as they are both under contract. He couldn't play any other partnership as Lockyer was out the weekend.
The first thing I would do next week is drop one of them, probably Parkes.
Sinclair looked like he was putting himself about in that video. At the moment Mildenhall, Sinclair and Taylor are the only 3 I would trust. The rest are so inconsistent.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 18, 2014 8:24:51 GMT
Is the reason our defenders make so many mistakes is that they are always facing so much pressure, as we never hardly put any decent attacking moves together or put teams under pressure.
Plus it always seems easier to defend a 1-0 lead, which for us never seems to happen away from home.
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Post by inee on Aug 18, 2014 8:27:08 GMT
Think Ras and aghast both make good points, thing is though ras an awful lot of people dont understand the art of fishing and cant relate it to anyform of watching stalking and tactics, but aghasts picture fits in to the budget very well, did anyone else notice after the first game the team were back on the pitch after the final whistle, maybe for a warm down ,debrief, more training etc. Again we find ourselves with a newish team ,newish manager, signed relatively late in the season, lets just hope the team can gel quickly, short reply as off to the vets to get meself more meds
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