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Post by baggins on Jul 11, 2016 13:12:56 GMT
If anyone has a spare minute or 2, go onto youtube and search for 'soldiers coming home'. Hours of suprise home comings for US Marines with girlfriends, Moms, kids. If you can still see the screen for crying, put British infront of your search.
Makes you sick.
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Post by inee on Jul 11, 2016 19:02:18 GMT
The ones that get to me are the ones with pets, the dog ones are fantastic. If your refering to what i think you are(british) then yes i agree
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Post by baggins on Jul 12, 2016 11:25:07 GMT
The ones that get to me are the ones with pets, the dog ones are fantastic. If your refering to what i think you are(british) then yes i agree I cry at every one. Those US lads come home to heroes welcome, ours come home to protests and being spat on. It kills me.
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Post by Okebournegas on Jul 12, 2016 18:52:29 GMT
The ones that get to me are the ones with pets, the dog ones are fantastic. If your refering to what i think you are(british) then yes i agree I cry at every one. Those US lads come home to heroes welcome, ours come home to protests and being spat on. It kills me. Unfortunately that is all too true, my dad used to work for the mod and he said that the way in which our heroes were/are treated is an utter disgrace especially when they are injured in the line of duty and get no after care when they get home.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 12, 2016 19:20:38 GMT
Not just contemporary service either, my Somme thread and Nobby's DDay thread had a similar number of views and likes and fewer comments than one thanking Henbury for fixing a PC.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2016 19:53:45 GMT
Compliments to Mr Kipling......No baggins, not the bloke who makes the cakes...Doh !
Tommy
I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer, The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here." The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die, I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I: O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away"; But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play, The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play, O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play. I went into a theatre as sober as could be, They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me; They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls, But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls! For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside"; But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide, The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide, O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide. Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap; An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit. Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?" But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll, The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll, O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll. We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too, But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you; An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints, Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints; While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind", But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind, There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind, O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind. You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all: We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational. Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace. For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!" But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot; An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please; An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 13, 2016 7:42:35 GMT
The ones that get to me are the ones with pets, the dog ones are fantastic. If your refering to what i think you are(british) then yes i agree I cry at every one. Those US lads come home to heroes welcome, ours come home to protests and being spat on. It kills me. Maybe you should look a bit further back and see how the Vietnam veterans were treated on their return. They were vilified. The sad truth is that we haven't been involved in a "popular" war since WW2 (maybe the Falklands). A lot of people were opposed to both Gulf Wars here, seeing them as Oil Wars or American fights that we got roped in to. The Americans were really up for a fight post 9/11 but I'm less sure we were. It's obvious then that America feel their troops are hero's where as many here feel ours had no business being there. I'm not defending the poor treatment of our troops for the record, but I think that may explain a little the difference in how they are treated.
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Post by baggins on Jul 13, 2016 10:14:10 GMT
I cry at every one. Those US lads come home to heroes welcome, ours come home to protests and being spat on. It kills me. Maybe you should look a bit further back and see how the Vietnam veterans were treated on their return. They were vilified. The sad truth is that we haven't been involved in a "popular" war since WW2 (maybe the Falklands). A lot of people were opposed to both Gulf Wars here, seeing them as Oil Wars or American fights that we got roped in to. The Americans were really up for a fight post 9/11 but I'm less sure we were. It's obvious then that America feel their troops are hero's where as many here feel ours had no business being there. I'm not defending the poor treatment of our troops for the record, but I think that may explain a little the difference in how they are treated. I've seen a lot of footage of the Vets coming home from Vietnam. Again, pretty awful. Poor devils.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 13, 2016 10:27:51 GMT
I can definitely recommend a visit to the National Memorial Arboretum, the main memorial records the 16,000 who died in service since 1947, including over 3,000 killed in action.
Until recently, 1968 was famously the only year since WWII that no British serviceman was killed in action. Ironically the height of the Vietnam conflict.
The one that got me though was the memorial to the still born and neonatal deaths.
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Post by baggins on Jul 13, 2016 10:36:21 GMT
I can definitely recommend a visit to the National Memorial Arboretum, the main memorial records the 16,000 who died in service since 1947, including over 3,000 killed in action. Until recently, 1968 was famously the only year since WWII that no British serviceman was killed in action. Ironically the height of the Vietnam conflict. The one that got me though was the memorial to the still born and neonatal deaths. Didn't we have a small number of troops in Vietnam?
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 13, 2016 10:44:15 GMT
I can definitely recommend a visit to the National Memorial Arboretum, the main memorial records the 16,000 who died in service since 1947, including over 3,000 killed in action. Until recently, 1968 was famously the only year since WWII that no British serviceman was killed in action. Ironically the height of the Vietnam conflict. The one that got me though was the memorial to the still born and neonatal deaths. Didn't we have a small number of troops in Vietnam? No, there may have been some exchange posts or advisors particularly with the Australian forces but it is one we famously sat out. Harold Wilson backed it politically but stated "not even a bagpiper".
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 13, 2016 10:51:13 GMT
If anyone is interested, the Afghanistan figure was only up to 2012 so is now higher. www.armedforces.co.uk/mod/listings/l0021.htmlUK ARMED FORCES - FATAL CASUALTIES SINCE 1945 The names of the UK service personnel who lost their lives during Operation Banner are listed on the Armed Forces Memorial, Staffordshire. The Memorial, which opened to the public in October 2007, remembers all those killed on duty in conflicts or on training exercises, by terrorist action or on peacekeeping missions - www.forcesmemorial.orgKorea: 765 Northern Ireland: 763 (includes military deaths on UK mainland and Germany attributed to Irish terrorism) (171 died in 1972) Malaya: 340 The Falklands: 255 Palestine: 233 Iraq 2003-2009: 179 Afghanistan: 404 (March 2012) Cyprus: 105 Aden: 68 Egypt: 54 Balkans: 48 The Gulf 1990: 47 Yangtse River: 46 Oman & Dhofar: 24 Suez: 22 Borneo: 126 Kenya: 12 Sierra Leone: 1 This list does not include those wounded (over 12,000) or those killed on "non-active" service duties, training or through accidents.
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Post by baggins on Jul 13, 2016 10:51:49 GMT
Didn't we have a small number of troops in Vietnam? No, there may have been some exchange posts or advisors particularly with the Australian forces but it is one we famously sat out. Harold Wilson backed it politically but stated "not even a bagpiper". Ah my mistake. Maybe Korea then?
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Post by inee on Jul 13, 2016 19:02:59 GMT
Didn't we have a small number of troops in Vietnam? No, there may have been some exchange posts or advisors particularly with the Australian forces but it is one we famously sat out. Harold Wilson backed it politically but stated "not even a bagpiper". If we live long enough we may find out as and when records are declassified, im sure the british army handed out a few vietnam bars
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Post by inee on Jul 13, 2016 19:16:37 GMT
Not just contemporary service either, my Somme thread and Nobby's DDay thread had a similar number of views and likes and fewer comments than one thanking Henbury for fixing a PC. I think in the main, when i was young most had a relative alive who had fought in ww1 the majority would have had a close relative who had fought in ww2(ie grandparent) , so it was more real to us. My lad went on a battlefield trip to belgium and said that it wasn't until he saw the trenches and other stuff that he finally realised why 11th november is so important, as it bought it home to him a bit more etc .
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 13, 2016 22:57:33 GMT
No, there may have been some exchange posts or advisors particularly with the Australian forces but it is one we famously sat out. Harold Wilson backed it politically but stated "not even a bagpiper". Ah my mistake. Maybe Korea then? We were there from the start and remains the most costly conflict for us in terms of deaths since 1945, and we've been quite busy. Palestine (1945–48) Greek Civil War (1946–47) Malayan Emergency (1948–60) Korean War (1950–53) Mau Mau Uprising (1952–60) Cyprus Emergency (1955–59) Suez Crisis (1956) Brunei Revolt (1962) Dhofar Rebellion (1962–75) Indonesia-Malaysia confrontation (1963–66) Aden Emergency (1963–67) Northern Ireland Troubles (1969–mid-1990s) Falklands War (1982) Gulf War (1990–91) Bosnian War (1992–96) Kosovo War (1999) Sierra Leone Civil War (2000) War in Afghanistan (2001–14) Iraq War (2003–11) Libyan Civil War (2011) Military intervention against ISIS (2014–Ongoing)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 8:41:47 GMT
Ah my mistake. Maybe Korea then? We were there from the start and remains the most costly conflict for us in terms of deaths since 1945, and we've been quite busy. Palestine (1945–48) Greek Civil War (1946–47) Malayan Emergency (1948–60) Korean War (1950–53) Mau Mau Uprising (1952–60) Cyprus Emergency (1955–59) Suez Crisis (1956) Brunei Revolt (1962) Dhofar Rebellion (1962–75) Indonesia-Malaysia confrontation (1963–66) Aden Emergency (1963–67) Northern Ireland Troubles (1969–mid-1990s) Falklands War (1982) Gulf War (1990–91) Bosnian War (1992–96) Kosovo War (1999) Sierra Leone Civil War (2000) War in Afghanistan (2001–14) Iraq War (2003–11) Libyan Civil War (2011) Military intervention against ISIS (2014–Ongoing) Feck me, it really brings it home when you see a list like that. We've pretty much been involved in some sort of conflict since 1939.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 14, 2016 9:33:27 GMT
We were there from the start and remains the most costly conflict for us in terms of deaths since 1945, and we've been quite busy. Palestine (1945–48) Greek Civil War (1946–47) Malayan Emergency (1948–60) Korean War (1950–53) Mau Mau Uprising (1952–60) Cyprus Emergency (1955–59) Suez Crisis (1956) Brunei Revolt (1962) Dhofar Rebellion (1962–75) Indonesia-Malaysia confrontation (1963–66) Aden Emergency (1963–67) Northern Ireland Troubles (1969–mid-1990s) Falklands War (1982) Gulf War (1990–91) Bosnian War (1992–96) Kosovo War (1999) Sierra Leone Civil War (2000) War in Afghanistan (2001–14) Iraq War (2003–11) Libyan Civil War (2011) Military intervention against ISIS (2014–Ongoing) Feck me, it really brings it home when you see a list like that. We've pretty much been involved in some sort of conflict since 1939. I read somewhere that there have only been 11yrs out of the last 200 where there has not been a war somewhere in the world.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 14, 2016 18:50:16 GMT
Feck me, it really brings it home when you see a list like that. We've pretty much been involved in some sort of conflict since 1939. I read somewhere that there have only been 11yrs out of the last 200 where there has not been a war somewhere in the world. Something like 3 days of peace since 1945.
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Post by pirateman on Jul 20, 2016 19:03:56 GMT
Didn't we have a small number of troops in Vietnam? No, there may have been some exchange posts or advisors particularly with the Australian forces but it is one we famously sat out. Harold Wilson backed it politically but stated "not even a bagpiper". No wonder they lost. The VC would have surrendered rather than listen to bagpipes. Agree with the general thrust of the thread BTW
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