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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 14, 2016 5:09:33 GMT
How's capitalism working out? Has that ideology solved the world's problems? I suppose it has for some. Hugo, there have been many people throughout history who have tried to find the best solution. The only thing I know is that Socialism is not the solution. Nor is capitalism. |
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Post by peterparker on Jul 14, 2016 5:42:58 GMT
Read/listwn to Mrs May's latest speecg. She is firmly placing herself in the centre ground. clearly and deliberatley putting herself where she needs to be to sttract floatting voters. Whilst Labour decide and argue how left wing they want to be
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Post by William Wilson on Jul 14, 2016 6:55:05 GMT
Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Netherlands. And Germany. Venezuela. |
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Post by beaver132 on Jul 15, 2016 5:40:15 GMT
To be a true democracy you need opposing views and an effective opposition. Extremes on either side should be avoided. With Thatcher you had no effective opposition and a drift to extremism. With Blair you eventually had no real opposing views, just a bit mote of the same. Sometimes you need a period of upheaval o produce effective opposition or differences. Well, we certainly have that all round at the moment.
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Post by inee on Jul 15, 2016 11:19:54 GMT
Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Netherlands. And Germany. It hasn't worked in most of those countries though has it |
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Post by baggins on Jul 15, 2016 11:56:13 GMT
Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Netherlands. And Germany. It hasn't worked in most of those countries though has it Seen the price of a pint in Sweden? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 13:51:55 GMT
I think describing Germany as 'Socialist' would have the vast majority of CDU (Christian Democratic Union, the ruling Party) supporters spitting feathers !
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Post by aghast on Jul 15, 2016 15:42:34 GMT
I think describing Germany as 'Socialist' would have the vast majority of CDU (Christian Democratic Union, the ruling Party) supporters spitting feathers ! The question was 'where has Democratic Socialism worked?' For around 20 years in various periods from 1970 to 2005 the SPD brought success to Germany. Just answering the question. |
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Post by inee on Jul 16, 2016 22:45:55 GMT
I think describing Germany as 'Socialist' would have the vast majority of CDU (Christian Democratic Union, the ruling Party) supporters spitting feathers ! The question was 'where has Democratic Socialism worked?' For around 20 years in various periods from 1970 to 2005 the SPD brought success to Germany. Just answering the question. The question was socialist you added the democratic bit, oh hang on are you a fan of socialism perchance,  , sweden never really worked though did it |
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Post by peterparker on Jul 17, 2016 10:56:09 GMT
Owen Smith potential leader would raise the higher rate of tax back to 50% and increase capital gains tax.
Good luck winning !n election with that
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Post by beaver132 on Jul 17, 2016 17:18:56 GMT
Owen Smith potential leader would raise the higher rate of tax back to 50% and increase capital gains tax. Good luck winning !n election with that You cannot fund public services without collecting tax. The more tax you collect, the more money you have. The mantra of successive governments has been 'more for less' when it comes to the funding of those services. From the inside I can tell you that translates as more managers to manage the fewer staff to produce just about what they could before, to a much lower standard. Standards drop and eventually people will notice. Then the Govt of the day will criticise those staff for the falling standards while forgetting it was there cuts that started the whole thing. The balance is making the level of tax attractive to just enough people that they stay and pan it. The problem with taxing the richest 20% say, is that they're rich enough to employ people ti make sure they don't have to pay it, so again it falls on middle income earners to shoulder the majority of the tax burden. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 19, 2016 15:16:49 GMT
Most Labour MPs vote for Trident (as per the election manifesto pledge) against JC's wishes, albeit on a free vote and the Times reports an increase in his popularity with the grass roots support.
If it wasn't so important it would be funny. We need a strong opposition to hold the Government to account.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 19, 2016 16:18:59 GMT
Corbyn is a tool.
Watson should take over.
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Post by inee on Jul 20, 2016 11:54:19 GMT
Hugo he said he cant as he's to busy with holmes
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Post by baggins on Jul 20, 2016 12:05:57 GMT
Hugo he said he cant as he's to busy with holmes What's he doing to him? |
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Post by inee on Jul 20, 2016 12:10:01 GMT
Glad you asked bags watson jammed a lemon drop up holmes arse, and said can you guess wad tis. Holmes replied Why it's a lemon drop i believe Shocked watson asked How did you know holmes Holmes Replied Lemon Entry my dear watson Lemon Entry im here all week rotten tomatoes re 75 quid for 3 |
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Post by baggins on Jul 20, 2016 12:25:31 GMT
Glad you asked bags watson jammed a lemon drop up holmes arse, and said can you guess wad tis. Holmes replied Why it's a lemon drop i believe Shocked watson asked How did you know holmes Holmes Replied Lemon Entry my dear watson Lemon Entry im here all week rotten tomatoes re 75 quid for 3 Here all week? Thank crap it's Wednesday. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 20, 2016 22:54:11 GMT
Corbyn is a tool. Watson should take over. Would be a good choice in my view. Do you watch PMQs? Have a look at Watson when JC asks a question, how he doesn't make any obvious "My God!" faces is very impressive, especially when Cameron made some very humorous jokes at his expense. One Labour MP asked a question today, preambled by the comment of congratulating the PM for the Trident vote and saying how nice it was to hear Labour party policy being spoken at the Despatch Box.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 12:41:48 GMT
It is now quite obvious that the old Labour Party has been taken over by Momentum, and Momentum is just a re-brand of Militant Tendency. Momentum are now taking over the structures and the finances of old Labour. Just look at this nonsense from yesterday. They really are not very nice. "9:46am: Corbyn tells Jewish peer who quit Labour over anti-Semitism to “reflect“. 9:56am: Corbyn says he backs war crimes investigations into British troops. 10:00am: Corbyn says he opposes giving more resources to MI6. 10:22am: McDonnell defends calling Esther McVey “a stain on humanity”. 10:40am: Yvette Cooper tells McDonnell to apologise. 11:06am: McDonnell doubles down, says “yes I do” think they were the right words. 11:15pm: Derek Hatton spotted in the conference hall. 11:52am: Ken Livingstone talks about Hitler on the BBC. 1:42am: Delegate rants about “Jewish MPs” and “Jewish plot to oust Corbyn”. 1:50pm: Fringe speaker compares Tory welfare policy to Nazis’ Arbeit Macht Frei. 5:00pm: Momentum host speaker who called for a Jewish man’s throat to be cut. 5:25pm: Anti-war merchandise mocking injured British soldiers on sale. 6:00pm: Jackie Walker says anti-Semitism in Labour is “exaggerated“. 6:30pm: Leaflets circulated: “Jewish Labour Movement does not belong in Labour”." Order Order |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 13:20:48 GMT
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, sweden never really worked though did it 