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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2016 20:00:05 GMT
Just had to start a thread on the gift that keeps giving.........
So, after today's farce, what is the future for the Labour Party? I think Corbyn will get elected again. Then the Party will split, with the majority of MP's forming a new Party with a new Leader. This new Party will far outnumber the old Labour Party, so will become the new opposition, with Corbyn and a few of his followers sitting in a small group on the back benches.
However, the Labour vote will be split, meaning they will not have a chance of being elected for many years. Happy days.
PS - Still only three quid to get a vote, or one quid for veterans.
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Post by peterparker on Jul 12, 2016 20:21:33 GMT
Could Labour (the ones that quit anyway) join with the Liberals?
I guess they would have to all stand down if Corbyn wins and we would have a load of by-elections. not sure how 100 plus MPs could remain if he won again
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2016 20:32:30 GMT
Could Labour (the ones that quit anyway) join with the Liberals? I guess they would have to all stand down if Corbyn wins and we would have a load of by-elections. not sure how 100 plus MPs could remain if he won again No, they don't have to stand down or trigger a by-election. It's quite common for an MP to 'cross the floor' to another party. The only MP I can think of who actually resigned and triggered a by-election was Douglas Carswell when he switched to UKIP. It is the honourable thing to do, but not many do it. Remember, when you vote in a General Election, in theory you are voting for the person. The 170 or so MP's who oppose Corbyn could just form a new Party, although I now expect to see attempts made to de-select a lot of those Labour MP's. Corbyn and his Union backers now have the names of those MP's. |
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Post by peterparker on Jul 12, 2016 20:43:01 GMT
Could Labour (the ones that quit anyway) join with the Liberals? I guess they would have to all stand down if Corbyn wins and we would have a load of by-elections. not sure how 100 plus MPs could remain if he won again No, they don't have to stand down or trigger a by-election. It's quite common for an MP to 'cross the floor' to another party. The only MP I can think of who actually resigned and triggered a by-election was Douglas Carswell when he switched to UKIP. It is the honourable thing to do, but not many do it. Remember, when you vote in a General Election, in theory you are voting for the person. The 170 or so MP's who oppose Corbyn could just form a new Party, although I now expect to see attempts made to de-select a lot of those Labour MP's. Corbyn and his Union backers now have the names of those MP's. I dont reckon the NEC wanted Corbyn on the ballot (well 14 didnt for sure) as they know/are sh** scared he is going to win again and the party will be in peices. One thing to say about the Tories is they got their sh** together. Once May became the clear favourite they all got on the same page and i imagineany discussions and agreements.were made in principle behind the scenes |
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Post by peterparker on Jul 12, 2016 20:59:30 GMT
Only those who joined Labour on or before 12 January will be able to vote in the leadership contest.
Anyone who joined after then will have to pay an extra £25 to become a "registered supporter" - and will get a two-day window in which to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2016 21:07:25 GMT
Only those who joined Labour on or before 12 January will be able to vote in the leadership contest. Anyone who joined after then will have to pay an extra £25 to become a "registered supporter" - and will get a two-day window in which to do so. Didn't I read that last week they had a surge of people signing up? I believe it was something like 50,000......can't believe they all paid 25 quid! How can the unemployed afford that? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 13, 2016 5:51:53 GMT
I utterly despise the Tory party but I can at least recognize that a lack of an opposition party is very bad for our country regardless of your political leanings. It was when Thatcher was in power and it was when Blair was in power.
Can't really understand your delight on this one Nobby.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 18:17:08 GMT
My delight is based around one word.....Socialism.
Yes, a strong opposition is necessary, but when that opposition is so totally incompetent there isn't much we can do about it.
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Post by aghast on Jul 13, 2016 19:04:16 GMT
I do from time to time wonder where this country would be if the Tories had won the day in their determined opposition to votes for women, the NHS, legalisation of homosexuality, legalisation of abortion, equal pay for women and the minimum wage.
Mid July 1864 I reckon.
There's a big, big difference in condemning socialism and the current incompetent incumbents.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 13, 2016 19:11:02 GMT
My delight is based around one word.....Socialism. Yes, a strong opposition is necessary, but when that opposition is so totally incompetent there isn't much we can do about it. I would advocate socialism. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 19:13:11 GMT
Look, Socialism is a fine idea.........but it hasn't worked anywhere, no matter what name you give it, or what 'flavour' of Socialism it was. It's a failed ideology.
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Post by aghast on Jul 13, 2016 19:58:15 GMT
Someone's confusing Socialsim with Communism. Most of the way Western Eurpoe operates today is based on Democratic Socialism.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 20:11:31 GMT
As I mentioned earlier about the 'flavour' of Socialism. I'm not confusing it with Communism, because Communism is just another flavour of Socialism.
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Post by inee on Jul 13, 2016 20:17:03 GMT
Someone's confusing Socialsim with Communism. Most of the way Western Eurpoe operates today is based on Democratic Socialism. So where has it worked |
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Post by inee on Jul 13, 2016 20:18:44 GMT
My delight is based around one word.....Socialism. Yes, a strong opposition is necessary, but when that opposition is so totally incompetent there isn't much we can do about it. I would advocate socialism. What atracts you to socialism over captialism, and would you personally be willing to live under a socialist regime |
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Post by inee on Jul 13, 2016 20:22:38 GMT
I utterly despise the Tory party but I can at least recognize that a lack of an opposition party is very bad for our country regardless of your political leanings. It was when Thatcher was in power and it was when Blair was in power. Can't really understand your delight on this one Nobby. but it's like a merry go round labour gets support labour f**ks up big time, look at how labour had lost control of government when maggie became pm, the only reason blair stayed in power is because he turned the labour party into mild tories, blair also introduced more laws in his term than the third reich managed |
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Post by aghast on Jul 13, 2016 20:28:19 GMT
Someone's confusing Socialsim with Communism. Most of the way Western Eurpoe operates today is based on Democratic Socialism. So where has it worked Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Netherlands. And Germany. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 13, 2016 20:54:12 GMT
Look, Socialism is a fine idea.........but it hasn't worked anywhere, no matter what name you give it, or what 'flavour' of Socialism it was. It's a failed ideology. How's capitalism working out? Has that ideology solved the world's problems? I suppose it has for some. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 21:39:02 GMT
Look, Socialism is a fine idea.........but it hasn't worked anywhere, no matter what name you give it, or what 'flavour' of Socialism it was. It's a failed ideology. How's capitalism working out? Has that ideology solved the world's problems? I suppose it has for some. Hugo, there have been many people throughout history who have tried to find the best solution. The only thing I know is that Socialism is not the solution. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 13, 2016 22:36:11 GMT
What was that saying? If you are not a socialist by the time you are 18, you have no heart, if you are not a conservative by the time you are 40 you have no head.
Why does it have to be one or the other, though? Maybe I am just politically schizophrenic.
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