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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 13, 2016 15:30:35 GMT
I'm getting fed up tbh, not because we're not throwing stupid money about and not because of the MT saga, but because people on here just moan and moan,for no reason at all! I don't know why but Rovers fans are horribly negative. I could just about understand it a few years ago, but we've had back to back promotions. DC has worked wonders with players the majority said would be crap and he turned down Leeds to stay with us. People are slagging off the new owners but they've done more in their short time here than NH and co did, debts cleared, no more Wonga loan, negotiating over the stadium to make sure everything is right for us. Remember when NH said we had a watertight contract and we never? What's to say the stadium issue isn't massively flawed and the new board are working to resolve that? But no slag them off, that's the Rovers way. DC has said he only signs players who are the right fit for the club. Its worked out for him so far and yet people are moaning because we're not going after the likes of Jay Simpson who was on 15K a week last season and scored less than MT who was probably on 2K tops. People are telling us to get rid of MT, he's used us and then the same people moan when rumors arise of MT signing for Oxford on 4K a week and say we should have paid him 7K. DC has said he won't pay more than he believes a player is worth. If DC thinks MT is worth so much in League One he would have gave him it, from what we know, he hasn't and therefore he believes he could sign better with the money MT is asking for and that's why we're not giving in to him. WAQ said we are taking things season by season and we won't be chucking money around for the sake of it, which plenty praised but now people want him to chuck thousands and thousands on players for the sake of it. I'm sure a striker of MS credentials knows whether our strikers he see's every day can hit the back of the net on a regular basis more than the Rovers fans who seem to just sit behind their keyboard and complain 24/7. Let DC and co do what they do best. They haven't let us down yet, but you wouldn't believe that if you read this place. This a hundred times. I like this forum and use it as my first port of call for Rovers news and there's often lots of good info and debate on here, but my word there's some sh*te spouted on here at times. One thing I would say is that I'm not convinced football forums (fora?) are necessarily representative of entire fanbases. Those who post tend to be more outspoken than your average fan and so I think we see a polarisation of opinions. That said if I was DC I would laugh until I cried at some of the people on here and their "insight" in to managing a football club. Just let him do his job because if you haven't yet noticed, he's quite good at it. Then again if fans just accepted the status quo perhaps the club would have never moved forward? Plus for all we know DC shares posters views and is hoping Wael will back him with transfer funds for a replacement for MT should he not re-sign?
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Post by lpgas on Jul 13, 2016 15:46:32 GMT
Well £360,000 on Andy Tilson: £240,000 on Barry Hayles. Yes we have spent large money (for us). But it isn't about transfer fees it's about Wages: Tax: Signing on fees: Performance fee: Insurance: Living expenses: Moving Expenses, and on and on. Pointless spending all that if we have someone in our ranks already OR about to pick someone up on a free.
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Post by aghast on Jul 13, 2016 15:59:04 GMT
Well £360,000 on Andy Tilson: £240,000 on Barry Hayles. Yes we have spent large money (for us). But it isn't about transfer fees it's about Wages: Tax: Signing on fees: Performance fee: Insurance: Living expenses: Moving Expenses, and on and on. Pointless spending all that if we have someone in our ranks already OR about to pick someone up on a free. Yes, but we don't have a team potentially able to challenge for promotion, more a team able to survive safely in League 1. If that's our ambition next season, then so be it. If we aspire to something more then DC will need to be able to spend some money. I don't understand this frugal cautious approach above everything else. That's not very inspiring. I'm not suggesting we spend £750k and £10k per week, but to get a good striker we would have to spend decent money. We're on a roll with perhaps the best young manager we've ever had. He turned down Leeds to stay with us, and no doubt gets well-paid now. But to tell DC he's got next to nothing to spend, and mid-table will do nicely, thank you, will frustrate him no end, in my opinion.
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Post by oddsongas on Jul 13, 2016 16:04:53 GMT
Well £360,000 on Andy Tilson: £240,000 on Barry Hayles. Yes we have spent large money (for us). But it isn't about transfer fees it's about Wages: Tax: Signing on fees: Performance fee: Insurance: Living expenses: Moving Expenses, and on and on. Pointless spending all that if we have someone in our ranks already OR about to pick someone up on a free. Yes, but we don't have a team potentially able to challenge for promotion, more a team able to survive safely in League 1. If that's our ambition next season, then so be it. If we aspire to something more then DC will need to be able to spend some money. I don't understand this frugal cautious approach above everything else. That's not very inspiring. I'm not suggesting we spend £750k and £10k per week, but to get a good striker we would have to spend decent money. We're on a roll with perhaps the best young manager we've ever had. He turned down Leeds to stay with us, and no doubt gets well-paid now. But to tell DC he's got next to nothing to spend, and mid-table will do nicely, thank you, will frustrate him no end, in my opinion. He's obviously not been told that though as he would have left for Leeds? He's obviously happy with what's happening here
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 16:09:05 GMT
We will struggle if we don't sign another striker in my opinion. How many goals did Harrison score last season if you take away the pens? How many goals did Gaffney score after he signed permanently? Easter has managed 9 goals in 51 appearances since joining us in the Conference? James has managed 3 goals in his last 68 games! Until last season Bodin had never scored more than 5 in a season and I'd personally prefer he stayed on the wing anyway. If Taylor doesn't re-sign we need to sign a replacement. Not too sure why you got a dislike for your post. It is pretty much correct. I've said it previously, the strikers we have at the club now will not score more than 12 goals in this league, we need an experienced striker(or maybe even two) in as soon as possible. If he does play Bodin upfront, then that means we need another winger in to replace him.
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Post by peterparker on Jul 13, 2016 16:17:41 GMT
Well £360,000 on Andy Tilson: £240,000 on Barry Hayles. Yes we have spent large money (for us). But it isn't about transfer fees it's about Wages: Tax: Signing on fees: Performance fee: Insurance: Living expenses: Moving Expenses, and on and on. Pointless spending all that if we have someone in our ranks already OR about to pick someone up on a free. Yes, but we don't have a team potentially able to challenge for promotion, more a team able to survive safely in League 1. If that's our ambition next season, then so be it. If we aspire to something more then DC will need to be able to spend some money. I don't understand this frugal cautious approach above everything else. That's not very inspiring. I'm not suggesting we spend £750k and £10k per week, but to get a good striker we would have to spend decent money. We're on a roll with perhaps the best young manager we've ever had. He turned down Leeds to stay with us, and no doubt gets well-paid now. But to tell DC he's got next to nothing to spend, and mid-table will do nicely, thank you, will frustrate him no end, in my opinion. And who says he hasn’t got any money? Maybe he just hasn’t found the right value
Remember when we went down to the conference and DC was saying players/agents wanted silly money because of our reputation? I don’t think DC would shy away from spending money but it has to be the right deal for the team and the club. If it was I am sure DC would go to the board. If he thinks said player/agent is being unrealistic I am sure he would tell them.
Perhaps all and sundry spouting off and reporting that we have a Billionaire owner (with no evidence of this), players and agents think they can screw even more out of us and DC and the club won’t be held to ransom.
The only exception is Matty Taylor who has been (as far as we have been told) a reasonable offer to stay and the only reason we haven’t withdrawn it in my view is we know what we are getting wit Taylor and is a lower risk than forking out for someone who might not fit in
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 16:26:40 GMT
Yes, but we don't have a team potentially able to challenge for promotion, more a team able to survive safely in League 1. If that's our ambition next season, then so be it. If we aspire to something more then DC will need to be able to spend some money. I don't understand this frugal cautious approach above everything else. That's not very inspiring. I'm not suggesting we spend £750k and £10k per week, but to get a good striker we would have to spend decent money. We're on a roll with perhaps the best young manager we've ever had. He turned down Leeds to stay with us, and no doubt gets well-paid now. But to tell DC he's got next to nothing to spend, and mid-table will do nicely, thank you, will frustrate him no end, in my opinion. He's obviously not been told that though as he would have left for Leeds? He's obviously happy with what's happening here I think your right but you have to believe we're now a year ahead of schedule with last seasons promotion,and our progress will probably slow a little until the new stadium is totally sorted.Could we even survive in the Championship at the Mem?Not without serious money ploughed into the team and that would be unsustainable anyway.Look at the money the sh** are throwing at it now and they are far from being one of the big hitters.
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Post by mjhgas on Jul 13, 2016 16:30:06 GMT
How many people on here have doubted Darrell Clarke in the past two seasons!? We could have said at any stage in the last two years that our squad won't be good enough, and in both seasons we have been proved wrong! I'm leaving it to DC and I firmly believe that he thinks that L1 isn't that difficult to get out of! Not convinced that we need to spend, but to get in the right players with the qualities that DC likes (as we have done already!). The players will be told (same as last two seasons) that they have to be in and around the top seven or it's cheerio! Some will survive and others will fall away (another of DC's strengths!). If we have the same bonus structure in place as last season, you watch those same players get us in to the top seven!!! It might be a different story in the Championship or Premier League, but we'll worry about that later
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 13, 2016 18:01:45 GMT
That's assuming DC/Wael wants promotion this season rather than just to consolidate in Div 1, whilst the UWE is built and we have a ground suitable for Championship football.
As far as posters now down playing the Al-Qadi's wealth it seems clear the family who own the club are billionaires, or at least the bank they own is worth billions. Whether they want to spend more of their wealth at Rovers is any other matter but financing a training ground and getting the UWE built won't come cheap.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 18:24:09 GMT
How many people on here have doubted Darrell Clarke in the past two seasons!? We could have said at any stage in the last two years that our squad won't be good enough, and in both seasons we have been proved wrong! I'm leaving it to DC and I firmly believe that he thinks that L1 isn't that difficult to get out of! Not convinced that we need to spend, but to get in the right players with the qualities that DC likes (as we have done already!). The players will be told (same as last two seasons) that they have to be in and around the top seven or it's cheerio! Some will survive and others will fall away (another of DC's strengths!). If we have the same bonus structure in place as last season, you watch those same players get us in to the top seven!!! It might be a different story in the Championship or Premier League, but we'll worry about that later DC is fully aware of the criticism he has received from forums like this. He has said as much in interview. Maybe people predicting failure for him and the team is helping him to achieve results by proving the doubters wrong. Lots of people use that as motivation.
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Post by Newton Abbot Gas on Jul 13, 2016 18:24:41 GMT
I'm getting fed up tbh, not because we're not throwing stupid money about and not because of the MT saga, but because people on here just moan and moan,for no reason at all! I don't know why but Rovers fans are horribly negative. I could just about understand it a few years ago, but we've had back to back promotions. DC has worked wonders with players the majority said would be crap and he turned down Leeds to stay with us. People are slagging off the new owners but they've done more in their short time here than NH and co did, debts cleared, no more Wonga loan, negotiating over the stadium to make sure everything is right for us. Remember when NH said we had a watertight contract and we never? What's to say the stadium issue isn't massively flawed and the new board are working to resolve that? But no slag them off, that's the Rovers way. DC has said he only signs players who are the right fit for the club. Its worked out for him so far and yet people are moaning because we're not going after the likes of Jay Simpson who was on 15K a week last season and scored less than MT who was probably on 2K tops. People are telling us to get rid of MT, he's used us and then the same people moan when rumors arise of MT signing for Oxford on 4K a week and say we should have paid him 7K. DC has said he won't pay more than he believes a player is worth. If DC thinks MT is worth so much in League One he would have gave him it, from what we know, he hasn't and therefore he believes he could sign better with the money MT is asking for and that's why we're not giving in to him. WAQ said we are taking things season by season and we won't be chucking money around for the sake of it, which plenty praised but now people want him to chuck thousands and thousands on players for the sake of it. I'm sure a striker of MS credentials knows whether our strikers he see's every day can hit the back of the net on a regular basis more than the Rovers fans who seem to just sit behind their keyboard and complain 24/7. Let DC and co do what they do best. They haven't let us down yet, but you wouldn't believe that if you read this place. What is important is the badge on the front of the shirt not the name or number on the back of it ....UTG
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Post by paulpirate on Jul 13, 2016 18:47:08 GMT
Christ do we have any ambition at this club? We have a billionaire owner yet we still want to keep the rag bag rovers tag Have we not tried this technique before and failed? I see why you want Wael to throw the chequebook at players but it doesn't always work. Many clubs have tried and failed at this method. I'd rather us build a squad that gels and plays with passion that a team with a few big time attitudes who don't care. bournemouth?
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Post by Gasshole on Jul 14, 2016 8:56:41 GMT
Just a thought. If we paid MT another 2K a week on a 2 year deal. If he has a good season he is then worth $2 to $3 million which is a good return. Like Oxford cashing in on Roofe. The intrest on that sum would then fund wages of $3k a week for his replacement. Probably explains why Oxford can fork out $3 to $4K a week for a free agent.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 12:56:05 GMT
Just a thought. If we paid MT another 2K a week on a 2 year deal. If he has a good season he is then worth $2 to $3 million which is a good return. Like Oxford cashing in on Roofe. The intrest on that sum would then fund wages of $3k a week for his replacement. Probably explains why Oxford can fork out $3 to $4K a week for a free agent.
If that happened we would be better off than Oxford as we would not have to pay his previous club a sell-on fee.
I would personally say "sign with us where we know we suit your game, bang in a few goals in L1 then you will have much better offers on the table and we'll let you speak to other clubs come Jan or the end of the season".
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Post by mariobalotelli on Jul 14, 2016 14:08:00 GMT
We don't need to spend. C*ty spent their way out of League 1 yes, but Yeovil did it with loans and good free agents. Burton didn't break the bank. Not splashing the cash doesn't mean we won't compete.
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 14, 2016 14:30:13 GMT
I agree Mario that we don't need to spend. But I'd rather be where City are than where Yeovil are! I think Yeovil over relied on loans and short term contracts and it caught them out eventually as you go higher.It will be interesting to see how Burton do. Them and Crewe are probably better models for us. It's good that we have not relied on loans but our own players in a very tight knit squad which is why signing them on again is so important. One of the lessons is that small clubs don't survive long (over 3/4 years) in the Championship and growing in a sustained way like Reading, Brighton and Swansea would be the best way to go IMO. That makes it very important that Wael and co get the plans for the new stadium spot on with freehold not leasing. That way we will grow and not be like Coventry and the Ricoh or Oxford and the Kassam. And as you say we can still compete and hopefully challenge. UTG!
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