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Post by kivorover on Jul 26, 2016 20:13:43 GMT
Looking very dodgy defensively for the first game Lockyer not featured pre-season Hartley injured again Parkes gone McChrystal L1 standard??? What do we do?
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Post by 84gas on Jul 26, 2016 20:15:56 GMT
Looking very dodgy defensively for the first game Lockyer not featured pre-season Hartley injured again Parkes gone McChrystal L1 standard??? What do we do? Dont worry, j clarke and mansell 👍
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 20:17:01 GMT
Looking very dodgy defensively for the first game Lockyer not featured pre-season Hartley injured again Parkes gone McChrystal L1 standard??? What do we do? We're Billionaires, we can go and buy whomever we want. I heard John Stones was watching the game from the stands tonight.
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Post by paulpirate on Jul 26, 2016 20:34:39 GMT
Nah lets see if Peterborough have got anyone they don't want
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 20:52:27 GMT
i much prefer to lose pre season games than win,,always find its a good sign were going to have a good season. a good season relative to a team promoted twice would be 18th place obviously,,,, but i actually think we can be a tad higher than that.
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Post by spiess1 on Jul 26, 2016 20:53:24 GMT
Kivorover...we could panic like you, or pick James Clarke who you conveniently forgot.
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Post by kivorover on Jul 26, 2016 21:34:38 GMT
Not sure Spiess1 but has James Clarke been out injured or did he play tonight?
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Post by Windmill Hill Gas on Jul 26, 2016 22:04:36 GMT
Puddy Greenslade Broom Hartley Macca Lawrence Lines Sinclair Easter Gaffney James Obviously it's a friendly so no biggie, but why make such an event of it, with all those fans going out and Wael and Steve Hamer, and then put out that team?
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Post by Bill Bones on Jul 26, 2016 22:09:39 GMT
Puddy Greenslade Broom Hartley Macca Lawrence Lines Sinclair Easter Gaffney James Obviously it's a friendly so no biggie, but why make such an event of it, with all those fans going out and Wael and Steve Hamer, and then put out that team? But then the counter argument is that it's more ridiculous to interfere with the professionalism of pre-season just because of fans and Wael and Steve. The trip is nothing to do with Darrell, who is paid to manage a football team not be a holiday rep. He wanted to have another look at Greenslade etc, and presumably would have done so whether it was Barcelona or Mangotsfield. If Lee Brown breaks his leg in Sabadell does it not matter because the fans have got to see him in a meaningless game rather than Greenslade?
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Post by socrates on Jul 26, 2016 22:14:16 GMT
Puddy Greenslade Broom Hartley Macca Lawrence Lines Sinclair Easter Gaffney James Obviously it's a friendly so no biggie, but why make such an event of it, with all those fans going out and Wael and Steve Hamer, and then put out that team? The manager doesn't pick the team to suit the fans in a friendly, a cup match or a league match. in a friendly he picks the team that best suits the squad he's got at that stage of pre- season and takes injuries , fitness, trialists and lots of other things in to consideration. Our supporters who understand this know that and being the football man Wael is he'll know that too. The only important match we've got coming up in terms of result is Scunthorpe then closely followed by our other competitive games.
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Post by socrates on Jul 26, 2016 22:24:07 GMT
Looking very dodgy defensively for the first game Lockyer not featured pre-season Hartley injured again Parkes gone McChrystal L1 standard??? What do we do? We're Billionaires, we can go and buy whomever we want. I heard John Stones was watching the game from the stands tonight. Joking aside I think we need to bring in another good experienced championship / league 1 centre half. I said in another thread that if Locks and Hartley start the season injured I'll be crapping myself at our defence and that days getting closer.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Jul 27, 2016 1:38:40 GMT
Lets not get precious or prickly; we have shipped 9 goals in two preseason games, granted DC has not been able to select his strongest side during preseason, but he has said he needs to add at least 3 "quality" players to the squad and he is correct. I would imagine he already regrets offering contracts to all of last terms squad, Puddy really !, plus others.
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Post by Gasshole on Jul 27, 2016 4:25:51 GMT
Maybe we should just bring the other team home. To be Franco with you , we got royally gored in the ring. I hope DC will be having an inquisition. Attachment DeletedHorse punchers beware. Manyana amigos
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Post by Qatar Gas on Jul 27, 2016 4:40:56 GMT
All these niggles and knocks are quite concerning, especially as its for many defenders.
I am also a little confused as to why DC has not started his best 11 (from those available) in any of the recent friendlies. Last night it looked like half the first team started on the pitch and the other half on the bench. I am a little worried and predicting another tough start but I trust DC.
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Post by bs9trymer on Jul 27, 2016 5:03:37 GMT
I went to Sabadell twice when they were nearly in the play offs (2nd division) 2 years ago,I saw them stuff Barcalona B in a brilliant game ( its on Youtube). Their players control and passing were superb,with the lovely playing surface at the Mem now those type of players could thrive,maybe after last night people at Rovers might be interested in giving some Spanish lads a trial,whats to lose? I also think that some of Rovers younger players could benefit from some time on loan in Spain,perhaps there could be a benefit to both clubs from this 'friendship'.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 27, 2016 6:54:10 GMT
Obviously it's a friendly so no biggie, but why make such an event of it, with all those fans going out and Wael and Steve Hamer, and then put out that team? But then the counter argument is that it's more ridiculous to interfere with the professionalism of pre-season just because of fans and Wael and Steve. The trip is nothing to do with Darrell, who is paid to manage a football team not be a holiday rep. He wanted to have another look at Greenslade etc, and presumably would have done so whether it was Barcelona or Mangotsfield. If Lee Brown breaks his leg in Sabadell does it not matter because the fans have got to see him in a meaningless game rather than Greenslade? Lee Brown played in the second half, why would he be more likely to break his leg if he started? Although the starting 11 did OK as if Gaffney's offside goal had counted it would have been 1-1 at half time. Once again we lost our way once Lines & Gaffney were subbed. Plus missing Lockyer has to be a big loss at the back.
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Post by Bill Bones on Jul 27, 2016 7:09:39 GMT
But then the counter argument is that it's more ridiculous to interfere with the professionalism of pre-season just because of fans and Wael and Steve. The trip is nothing to do with Darrell, who is paid to manage a football team not be a holiday rep. He wanted to have another look at Greenslade etc, and presumably would have done so whether it was Barcelona or Mangotsfield. If Lee Brown breaks his leg in Sabadell does it not matter because the fans have got to see him in a meaningless game rather than Greenslade? Lee Brown played in the second half, why would he be more likely to break his leg if he started? Although the starting 11 did OK as if Gaffney's offside goal had counted it would have been 1-1 at half time. Once again we lost our way once Lines & Gaffney were subbed. Plus missing Lockyer has to be a big loss at the back. Well quite obviously the more minutes he plays the more likely he is to get injured, a child can see that. Regardless, that isn't really the main point I was making, as I'm fairly sure you're well aware.
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Post by RD on Jul 27, 2016 8:14:21 GMT
A tad concerning if I'm honest. We can't read too much in to pre-season games, that's true - I remember some very good pre-seasons followed by dismal and even disastrous league campaigns. That said, the results are a bit of a concern (against the pro sides); very few goals scored and a lot of goals shipped. That said, we haven't really played our starting 11 much (at all?) yet and we are really suffering at the back due to injuries. DC has said he wants to bring in another 3 quality players and, based on that, I don't think we should be worrying too much yet. But it is absolutely ESSENTIAL that he does that as we are clearly a little short on quality based on the step up to L1; the bottom half of L2 was pretty dire IMO, where as in L1 the whole league looks strong. I would never fault DC on handing out contracts to last years squad as; 1) he promised he would and it's good to see that he's a man of his word and 2) they've earned it. That said, it is vital that some of those players get pushed back to the bench due to new players with more quality coming in. IMO we desperately need: 1) A new CM - I'm not truly convinced Lines will chip in with enough goals or enough assists at this level. I know he's played at this level before (and indeed higher) but it's just a gut feeling. He wasn't first choice for much of last season, so IMO it seems DC must at least partially agree with this too. A new CM with the real quality required won't come cheap though - IMO this is Wael's first real test on the transfer front; we need to put our hands in our pocket IMO - maybe as much as £200-£250k!? Very much doubt that would happen, but that might be the sort of money we're talking in order to bring in someone of REAL quality 2) A new goalkeeper - not necessarily to replace Mildenhall, but certainly to properly push him; I personally don't believe Puddy is good enough for L1 football 3) A new left back - someone to provide genuine competition for Lee Brown should he pick up an injury/suspension/etc - We might also need a new striker. However, seeing as we do have a fair few on our books already, maybe we wait to Christmas to address this. The benefit is that we may find we don't need one. The downside is that if we do need one, we'll end up having to pay a fortune! But if our club president truly does have a fair bit of wealth then this might not be a problem (especially if it was seen as an investment and we felt we could always recoup the money [or even make money] on him further down the line). There's also the argument that if buying one was to keep us in L1 then some of the costs would have been offset due to avoiding the drop to L2 which would have certainly seen a drop in income - We could maybe do with a new winger - still fear we might be a little short of quality on the flanks - Given the injuries at the back and Macca only getting older, I do wonder whether we could do with another CB as well - even if it were purely a short-term (3 month) loan whilst we get our current centre backs fit All in all I'm not too worried as I have every confidence DC will bring in at least 3 new players and, based on (the vast majority) of his previous signings, I'm sure they will really improve us. As long as we avoid relegation this coming season then that is the main thing IMO. As we can then clear out anyone who has failed to make the step up at the end of the season and then seriously look at bringing in players of real L1 quality; this season it was always going to be difficult due to everyone from last seasons (bar one) re-signing. A mid-table finish would be an excellent achievement IMO and I would personally be very happy with that. Of course, this is subject to chance if DC suddenly goes out and spends a ton of money over the next few weeks (unlikely though, let's be fair!). Anything more than that (playoffs/automatics etc) would be truly unbelievable and DC might be next England manager if things don't work out for Big Sam! UTG!
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 27, 2016 8:16:40 GMT
Incidentally, why do you feel the trip is nothing to do with DC, you'd hope he would have approved it and a pre season trip to Barcelona must be a fantastic training/team building opportunity for a club at our level.
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Post by stevek192 on Jul 27, 2016 8:24:09 GMT
It has been very clear in the Mango, Aston Villa and Swansea friendlies I have seen that with Lockyer,James Clarke and Hartley injured we really have been down to bare bones. It is also clear to see Greenslade, Kilgour and in many ways Broom are not up to League 2 standard let alone League 1 and probably none of them would get in a top Conference side at the PRESENT TIME. In all honesty there is at least three League 1 players required and NOW not at the end of August. Other clubs in our division are signing quality but we don't really know how good our team will be because Darrell likes to keep his cards close to his chest and mix up his team. Some of this has been necessity but others by choice. Only time will tell what our season holds for us. The problem as I see it is we have too many average players but there again say we had signed Nelson from Plymouth it would be a straight choice between Lockyer and Nelson and if both were fit it would be a problem -0 a nice problem yes but one which would be very difficult to manage.
What I am trying to say is that it is important to get players in the areas where we don't have a first choice option ie the first choice is probably not good enough or we have no suitable back up. In my mind that is goalkeeper, left back and central midfield with another physical striker as well. The injury situation looks like we need a centre half signed urgently if either Hartley or Lockyer are not going to be fit.
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