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Post by aghast on Aug 4, 2016 20:36:11 GMT
Sigh. In my opinion anyone who attends a B team game in this competition is harming our club but it is their right to do so. The arguments put forward for attending seem flimsy and hollow to me but I don't really see the need to call them names. Misguided perhaps, but Scab is a bit unnecessary. Shame that once again we can't discuss anything without it ending up like this. Chewy justs like to offer an alternative view to whatever the thread happens to be about. Scab was a tempting nibble and someone took it like a demented trout.
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Post by philbemmygas on Aug 4, 2016 20:57:06 GMT
LP, that is how I currently view the situation. Likely we will play our youngsters and fringe players in this game.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 4, 2016 21:21:07 GMT
Personally I hope we play a strong team and beat them 4 or 5 nil, three heavy defeats and no fans turning up my, hopefully, kill the idea.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 22:01:09 GMT
lets face the powers that be want crappy b teams in league one and 2 and this is there little tester. i very much hope the experiment is a total disaster
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Post by chewbacca on Aug 5, 2016 6:59:15 GMT
Sigh. In my opinion anyone who attends a B team game in this competition is harming our club but it is their right to do so. The arguments put forward for attending seem flimsy and hollow to me but I don't really see the need to call them names. Misguided perhaps, but Scab is a bit unnecessary. Shame that once again we can't discuss anything without it ending up like this. I reserve the right to call a "supporter" taking actions that are incredibly detrimental to the club's future anything I like. In this case scab is probably the kindest thing I could call them. By attending you legitimise B teams, you say I think this is acceptable", you help pave the way for league three and b teams in the pyramid. Anyone that thinks that was has clearly been labotomised or is genuinely a scab. You attend and you're playing with the club's future. If you want to give the club your enterence fee fine, pop it into the FFS, that's what I've done. Don't be a scab though.
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Post by peterparker on Aug 5, 2016 7:35:57 GMT
Sigh. In my opinion anyone who attends a B team game in this competition is harming our club but it is their right to do so. The arguments put forward for attending seem flimsy and hollow to me but I don't really see the need to call them names. Misguided perhaps, but Scab is a bit unnecessary. Shame that once again we can't discuss anything without it ending up like this. I reserve the right to call a "supporter" taking actions that are incredibly detrimental to the club's future anything I like. In this case scab is probably the kindest thing I could call them. By attending you legitimise B teams, you say I think this is acceptable", you help pave the way for league three and b teams in the pyramid. Anyone that thinks that was has clearly been labotomised or is genuinely a scab. You attend and you're playing with the club's future. If you want to give the club your enterence fee fine, pop it into the FFS, that's what I've done. Don't be a scab though. I am against B Teams in this comp and the league and wont hlgo the Reading game I stilk dont get the against League 3 thing I dont think channge and restructure is necessarily a bad idea as long as it doesnt.involve B team being parachuted in
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Post by spiess1 on Aug 5, 2016 7:38:39 GMT
Register, and send out, our Walking Football team agst U21s.
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Post by chewbacca on Aug 5, 2016 7:50:40 GMT
I reserve the right to call a "supporter" taking actions that are incredibly detrimental to the club's future anything I like. In this case scab is probably the kindest thing I could call them. By attending you legitimise B teams, you say I think this is acceptable", you help pave the way for league three and b teams in the pyramid. Anyone that thinks that was has clearly been labotomised or is genuinely a scab. You attend and you're playing with the club's future. If you want to give the club your enterence fee fine, pop it into the FFS, that's what I've done. Don't be a scab though. I am against B Teams in this comp and the league and wont hlgo the Reading game I stilk dont get the against League 3 thing I dont think channge and restructure is necessarily a bad idea as long as it doesnt.involve B team being parachuted in It will.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 7:58:55 GMT
That said, to criticise a fellow gashead for the crime of wishing to support the team regardless of football league politics shows a real lack of class in my opinion. None of us have all the answers - respect the beliefs of other gasheads, especially when they are grown men clearly capable of using their own reasoning to come to their own decision. With all due respect they appear to be struggling to comprehend the implications of this trial being a success. That success will largely be defined by income and attendance levels. The answer for stopping B/U21's entering the lower leagues is quite simple; do not attend games. Those that attend on the basis that the club need our support are seriously jeopardising football as we know and love it.
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Post by chewbacca on Aug 5, 2016 8:02:29 GMT
That said, to criticise a fellow gashead for the crime of wishing to support the team regardless of football league politics shows a real lack of class in my opinion. None of us have all the answers - respect the beliefs of other gasheads, especially when they are grown men clearly capable of using their own reasoning to come to their own decision. With all due respect they appear to be struggling to comprehend the implications of this trial being a success. That success will largely be defined by income and attendance levels. The answer for stopping B/U21's entering the lower leagues is quite simple; do not attend games. Those that attend on the basis that the club need our support are seriously jeopardising football as we know and love it. Spot on. You give an inch and they'll take a mile.
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Aug 5, 2016 8:02:59 GMT
The B team thing has been long in the making but will only serve the big boys. It will almost certainly mean historically smaller clubs will either disappear or become part time. It's also the reason why so many clubs are throwing caution to the wind to get into the top two divisions.
It's just like the business world, the big guns will do anything to remain big and get even bigger and couldn't give a flying chuffk about the collateral damage.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Aug 5, 2016 8:08:55 GMT
I reserve the right to call a "supporter" taking actions that are incredibly detrimental to the club's future anything I like. In this case scab is probably the kindest thing I could call them. By attending you legitimise B teams, you say I think this is acceptable", you help pave the way for league three and b teams in the pyramid. Anyone that thinks that was has clearly been labotomised or is genuinely a scab. You attend and you're playing with the club's future. If you want to give the club your enterence fee fine, pop it into the FFS, that's what I've done. Don't be a scab though. I am against B Teams in this comp and the league and wont hlgo the Reading game I stilk dont get the against League 3 thing I dont think channge and restructure is necessarily a bad idea as long as it doesnt.involve B team being parachuted in Put in simple terms the FL will be desperate to spin this as a success anyway they can. If there are good attendances against U21 teams that'll be flagged as a success, if those attendances are crap then they'll look at attendances across all games if that is up they call the competition a success. And they'll continue digging until they find something better this season than last. It seems with fans thinking so simply then the FL won't need to try very hard to out think them.
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Post by peterparker on Aug 5, 2016 9:29:48 GMT
I am against B Teams in this comp and the league and wont hlgo the Reading game I stilk dont get the against League 3 thing I dont think channge and restructure is necessarily a bad idea as long as it doesnt.involve B team being parachuted in Put in simple terms the FL will be desperate to spin this as a success anyway they can. If there are good attendances against U21 teams that'll be flagged as a success, if those attendances are crap then they'll look at attendances across all games if that is up they call the competition a success. And they'll continue digging until they find something better this season than last. It seems with fans thinking so simply then the FL won't need to try very hard to out think them. I understand the boycott here, although i am of the opinion it better to turn up for the real games and ignore the B matches to highlight the difference and what we actually want. Attendences are generally poor as it is and part of the trial is because not many turn up for the real games The League 3 thing is a bigger issue and i am against B Teams full stop, but that doesnt mean restructure doesnt warrant discussion, after all the FL hasnt been the same format for it 130 odd years
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Post by chewbacca on Aug 5, 2016 9:42:10 GMT
Put in simple terms the FL will be desperate to spin this as a success anyway they can. If there are good attendances against U21 teams that'll be flagged as a success, if those attendances are crap then they'll look at attendances across all games if that is up they call the competition a success. And they'll continue digging until they find something better this season than last. It seems with fans thinking so simply then the FL won't need to try very hard to out think them. I understand the boycott here, although i am of the opinion it better to turn up for the real games and ignore the B matches to highlight the difference and what we actually want. Attendences are generally poor as it is and part of the trial is because not many turn up for the real games The League 3 thing is a bigger issue and i am against B Teams full stop, but that doesnt mean restructure doesnt warrant discussion, after all the FL hasnt been the same format for it 130 odd years ...and the Football League is still the best pyramid in the world with regards to structure, attendances, quality, levels of professionalism and history. You also seem to forget the addition of a second division in 1892, regional third tiers than ran from 1921-1958 and the creation of a new smaller top flight in 1992. Small levels of restructure are fine but the creation of a League 3 is only for the benefit of inserting B Teams. We have 4 professional leagues in this country and a two thirds of another league that is professional, other countries can only dream of having such strength and depth.
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Post by peterparker on Aug 5, 2016 9:51:35 GMT
I understand the boycott here, although i am of the opinion it better to turn up for the real games and ignore the B matches to highlight the difference and what we actually want. Attendences are generally poor as it is and part of the trial is because not many turn up for the real games The League 3 thing is a bigger issue and i am against B Teams full stop, but that doesnt mean restructure doesnt warrant discussion, after all the FL hasnt been the same format for it 130 odd years ...and the Football League is still the best pyramid in the world with regards to structure, attendances, quality, levels of professionalism and history. You also seem to forget the addition of a second division in 1892, regional third tiers than ran from 1921-1958 and the creation of a new smaller top flight in 1992. Small levels of restructure are fine but the creation of a League 3 is only for the benefit of inserting B Teams. We have 4 professional leagues in this country and a two thirds of another league that is professional, other countries can only dream of having such strength and depth. And 90% of the clubs have to vote it through. One of the suggestions was to have 8 of the conference teams enter the league. If that happened would that be bad necessarily?
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Post by countygroundhotel on Aug 5, 2016 9:52:15 GMT
Put in simple terms the FL will be desperate to spin this as a success anyway they can. If there are good attendances against U21 teams that'll be flagged as a success, if those attendances are crap then they'll look at attendances across all games if that is up they call the competition a success. And they'll continue digging until they find something better this season than last. It seems with fans thinking so simply then the FL won't need to try very hard to out think them. I understand the boycott here, although i am of the opinion it better to turn up for the real games and ignore the B matches to highlight the difference and what we actually want. Attendences are generally poor as it is and part of the trial is because not many turn up for the real games The League 3 thing is a bigger issue and i am against B Teams full stop, but that doesnt mean restructure doesnt warrant discussion, after all the FL hasnt been the same format for it 130 odd years As I said it is the FL that will decide how to judge it a success but it is your decision, even when you have had the logic explained to you, to attend and contribute to their 'success'. I won't be contributing and helping them.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 5, 2016 10:00:02 GMT
One of the suggestions was to have 8 of the conference teams enter the league. If that happened would that be bad necessarily? It left eight places open, which were to go to teams yet to be decided on. Then they hinted that it might go to conference teams (which would have been a decent vote-winner, I would have thought), but that was just unofficial. I wouldn't have been surprised if it had got voted in, they would have turned around and given the places to B teams, saying no one said anything about conference teams. If the point of the change was to get Conference teams in why wouldn't they have said that at the time? What could possibly be the point of expanding the league to accommodate hypothetical teams?
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Post by baggins on Aug 5, 2016 10:05:32 GMT
It's absolutely disgusting how some people don't show #solidarity with #comrades picketing. If you tolerate B Teams in this competition you simply cannot moan when League 3 happens, when we play these disgusting, muggy little sloths every other week. If you don't stand up now you are a scab, you are culpable and frankly it's your f**king fault. What if you're going just because you fancy watching the Rovers?
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Post by chewbacca on Aug 5, 2016 10:08:25 GMT
...and the Football League is still the best pyramid in the world with regards to structure, attendances, quality, levels of professionalism and history. You also seem to forget the addition of a second division in 1892, regional third tiers than ran from 1921-1958 and the creation of a new smaller top flight in 1992. Small levels of restructure are fine but the creation of a League 3 is only for the benefit of inserting B Teams. We have 4 professional leagues in this country and a two thirds of another league that is professional, other countries can only dream of having such strength and depth. And 90% of the clubs have to vote it through. One of the suggestions was to have 8 of the conference teams enter the league. If that happened would that be bad necessarily? You trust them? The B Teams EFL Trophy muck was voted through as Under 21's and Premier League clubs, we've now got Under 23's and Championship clubs. I don't trust these scumbags at all, they're a disgusting excuse for custodians of a fantastic league. I'm also against tearing into the Conference as well, the Conference is a fantastic league what's the benefit of scalping it of eight teams. Would you pick the biggest? Get them to apply to go up? Would you take the top eight (last season that would have been Cheltenham, Forest Green, Braintree, Grimsby, Dover, Tranmere, Eastleigh & Wrexham). I mean if they're going for quality of stadium Kidderminster & Halifax who were both relegated have two of the better grounds in the league. Certainly better than Braintree & Dover... It's a Dam mess the lot of it. The whole EFL board should resign.
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Post by chewbacca on Aug 5, 2016 10:09:06 GMT
It's absolutely disgusting how some people don't show #solidarity with #comrades picketing. If you tolerate B Teams in this competition you simply cannot moan when League 3 happens, when we play these disgusting, muggy little sloths every other week. If you don't stand up now you are a scab, you are culpable and frankly it's your f**king fault. What if you're going just because you fancy watching the Rovers? Then you're a dastardly .
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