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Post by stevek192 on Aug 29, 2016 8:06:55 GMT
Personally I would love to see two quality signings in the more creative part of the team that will enable Darrell to play 4-4-2 and also will enable DC to start off with the better players in the team rather than sat on the bench. Whether this is 2 central midfielders or 1 central midfielder and a winger or 1 central midfielder and a striker to be honest I don't care but I just hope it will be two players who can make a big difference as to be honest for all the brilliance of the last two seasons we are at present a team who will hover around mid table to bottom 4 . I can see why Darrell protects what he has at the start of the game but IMO it is his job now to find the 2 pieces of the jigsaw which will enable us to positively attack teams from the start. I honestly don't want to watch many more of the first half Saturday where some will say we were heading for a typical DC tactical 3 points and maybe we were but in all honesty it would have been down to luck more than tactical genius. My question is Do you think we can unearth a couple of gems before the deadline ? This seasons new rules on loans means we have to get it right or its January before we can put right any problems. DC's use of loans in the past two seasons has been brilliant but this time it is different and I very much hope the 2 players he wants are watertight and are worth waiting all this time for.
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Post by albaron on Aug 29, 2016 8:31:33 GMT
I want two quality midfielders. ( what happened to the guy we were after that went to Brighton ? )I honestly believe the forwards are sorted and so are the backs now after securing Roberts services.It is definitely in midfield where we lack quality.Also believe we will need to pay at least one transfer fee with the other being a loan.Hopefully DC sees it this way also.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 8:47:53 GMT
We have the players who can't spread the ball from midfield, we just need that Stewart Campbell type player to play alongside Lines/Easter. In a 4.4.2 I would play Bodin every time but we need another option on the left.
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Post by madgas on Aug 29, 2016 9:11:10 GMT
Would like another midfielder mainly.
Maybe two.
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Post by pucklegas on Aug 29, 2016 9:18:19 GMT
I want muzzy as the creative winger, and a quality midfielder who will sorry Wael cost money!
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 29, 2016 9:41:54 GMT
I'd like a deep lying midfielder, who can ping a pinpoint pass out to the wingers, or to a target man, or to someone running through on goal, or who is capable of beating his man in midfield and shooting from range into the top corner, or who can beat two more midfielders about thrity yards out and go even further with the ball at his feet, beating the central defender and then turning the covering fullback inside and out while stepping over on the edge of the box, turning inside once more before giving the keeper the eyes, and causing him to dive in vain for the far post while jinking once more to throw off an opposition midfielder who has come back to defend, while calmly slotting the ball inside the near post for his hattrick goal, who then runs to the Blackthorn in celebration, and tears off a face mask, to reveal that she is actually a hot chick, who then distributes free pizza to everyone in the Blackthorn.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 9:42:40 GMT
Ball winning midfielder (a la Boateng from Palace, hope that deal is still on the cards) and a winger probably. Although if Moore returns from injury soon maybe another winger would be too much.
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 29, 2016 9:43:41 GMT
I will be very surprised if either are a permanent signing and even more surprised if we pay a signing fee.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 29, 2016 9:49:22 GMT
A lot depends on Mansell's and Lawrence's fitness as if they are nearing a return then they could answer some of our problems?
If they are likely to be fit soon then we need a younger version of LM as back up/for the future.
After that for me it's a toss up between another right winger or a striker, if Gaffney's really struggling for form.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2016 10:03:10 GMT
i just wish the bloody transfer window would close so we can stop speculating.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 29, 2016 10:03:52 GMT
A lot depends on Mansell's and Lawrence's fitness as if they are nearing a return then they could answer some of our problems? If they are likely to be fit soon then we need a younger version of LM as back up/for the future. After that for me it's a toss up between another right winger or a striker, if Gaffney's really struggling for form. Striker?!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 29, 2016 10:05:08 GMT
2 midfielders for me. One deep lying midfielder who hopefully can get first 11 and a backupfor Lines.
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Post by GasAttacK on Aug 29, 2016 10:05:19 GMT
I think everyone agrees at least one needs to be a central midfielder and it needs to be someone of real quality because with the exception of Lines none of our central midfielders are L1 quality in my opinion. They're grafters and not without their uses but they're not comfortable on the ball and create nothing for our forwards.
The position of the other player is more difficult.
If we're going to play 3-5-2 a lot it could be argued we need another CB. We do lack a bit of pace in the back 3 and if the right player was available I wouldn't be against signing him.
I think like most I'd edge towards a winger which would give us more opportunities to play 4-4-2. Moore hasn't kicked a ball yet but wasn't rated by Vale fans, Bodin has started the season poorly and Monty never seems to be given much of a chance. If we had another quality wide man might persuade DC to opt for 4-4-2 more often.
It could be a striker. We haven't got anyone in that department proven at this level. Gaffney looks very low on confidence, James is not a goalscorer as 2 goals in 70 games would suggest, Easter might chip in with 4-8, Harrison 8-12 if he's taking the pens and hopefully Taylor 12-16. If there was a striker out there who could net us 20+ it might be worth bringing him in and sending one of our existing forwards out on loan.
I wouldn't even be against 2 central midfielders.
As long as both are quality players who improve our starting 11 and at least one of those is a central midfielder I'll be happy.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Aug 29, 2016 10:08:43 GMT
Part of their wages.
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Post by singupgas on Aug 29, 2016 10:26:41 GMT
Midfielders, and ready made ones, not players that are going to sit on the bench.
I think if we could bring in a 2 players, maybe spend a few quid to do so, get some genuine hungry - I mean starving - players who want to be here and have something about them. If we do this I think we can go from being bottom half to playoff contenders, our defence and and strikers are set think we have enough options, a strengthened midfield will really push us on.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 29, 2016 10:49:34 GMT
A lot depends on Mansell's and Lawrence's fitness as if they are nearing a return then they could answer some of our problems? If they are likely to be fit soon then we need a younger version of LM as back up/for the future. After that for me it's a toss up between another right winger or a striker, if Gaffney's really struggling for form. Striker?! We're hardly scoring goals for fun in league so far, until we sort out the midfield it's not clear whether that's down to them or our strikers but once the window closes we're stuck until January, if it turns out to be our strikers who are struggling. Last season with Gaffney on form DC still added Fallon and McBurnie to the squad, with him struggling for form surely we need another one now more than we did last season? As Steve would say it's pointless DC getting more wingers in if DC doesn't even use the ones he's got already!
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 29, 2016 11:00:29 GMT
I would agree with you Topper Gas.Wingers get the roughest deal under DC which is very surprising when in many ways he is a positive manner., I would start Easter and Montano every week and if he was fit Byron Moore as well. They all have a bit of quality about them. I work on the basis that the opponents can't do much if they haven't got the ball. Clarke and Sinclair create very little between them so to play them both is suicidal. Neither of our wingbacks look happy in the role. Get two players in who bring an end to becoming very predictable. The way we play has become predictable rather than the Team Selection which is unbelievably difficult to predict from one week to the next.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 29, 2016 11:14:28 GMT
I would agree with you Topper Gas.Wingers get the roughest deal under DC which is very surprising when in many ways he is a positive manner., I would start Easter and Montano every week and if he was fit Byron Moore as well. They all have a bit of quality about them. I work on the basis that the opponents can't do much if they haven't got the ball. Clarke and Sinclair create very little between them so to play them both is suicidal. Neither of our wingbacks look happy in the role. Get two players in who bring an end to becoming very predictable. The way we play has become predictable rather than the Team Selection which is unbelievably difficult to predict from one week to the next. I think DC's problem is losing Mansell as it means OC & SS have to replace him, meaning DC has to play w/o wingers as neither is good enough to partner Lines alone in midfield .
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Post by bs11gas on Aug 29, 2016 11:35:53 GMT
I want two quality midfielders. ( what happened to the guy we were after that went to Brighton ? )I honestly believe the forwards are sorted and so are the backs now after securing Roberts services.It is definitely in midfield where we lack quality.Also believe we will need to pay at least one transfer fee with the other being a loan.Hopefully DC sees it this way also. Richie Towell? Seems to be a bit of a forgotten man at Brighton, only a couple of first-team appearances and a handful of games bench warming. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that DC has made an enquiry.
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Post by slam on Aug 29, 2016 12:28:52 GMT
When we play in the 3-5-2 mould (or even in the 4-5-1 mould as we did at Chelsea) we do not seem to have the capability to retain possession of the ball for periods of the game, certainly not to the extent that would enable us to exert some sort of control on the game. In those formations we are actually well drilled from a defensive standpoint it is very difficult to break us down. However, we always seem to give the ball away cheaply and then the pressure is exerted back on us. Because we can't retain possession, it is very difficult to bring the wing backs into play and they can become almost redundant at times (especially when the opposition is in control and is therefore able to "press high").
What I am struggling to understand is whether this is a function of the formation itself or if it is a function of the personnel that we use within it.
In the higher league and against better opposition, I think that we are being found out a bit. So for me, if we are going to persist with 3-5-2 I would like to see a controlling midfielder, who is calm and assured on the ball, who can bring the rest of midfield into play and who looks to make space to receive the ball back. I am not sure that we need an out and out ball winner - at this level, our defensive organisation is good enough to allow the opposition to play in front of us and to regain possession when they try to play through us. I personally think that Easter could fulfil this role and I am not sure why DC hasn't tried him in that sort of position yet. It would mean that we would have to drop either Clarke or Sinclair - they are ball "harriers" but I do not fully understand why we need two of them in the engine room of the side - surely it is better to keep the ball better rather than concentrating so much on winning it back.
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