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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 30, 2016 10:42:00 GMT
Well....now my turn to say something. Having read through all the threads on here, there will be just one loser tonight - and that will be Bristol Rovers Football Club. The reason I say that is because Bristol Rovers have to pay the wages for all the staff that is needed - Bar Staff, Catering Staff, Stewards, Turnstile Operators. Lots of people are saying that they will not attend tonight's game, even though the price to get in is £5 for adults. We are all Gasheads. But tonight it seems this a game to far. What ever the merits of the game, we need a good turnout to help the club make a profit on the night. As I read it, the club will lose money on this game. Yes, the EFL and FA did not consider the fans when they changed the outlook of the competition. BUT.....isn't the games against Yeovil and Portsmouth PROPER Games? I will be at the game tonight in some capacity...after all there no game on Saturday!!!! Think you're missing the point as surely boycotting the Academy games is an attempt to stop the "trial" continuing, if all the FL clubs suffer a loss on these games perhaps they all won't vote for the "trial" to end, by attending fans are encouraging clubs to vote in favour next summer? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 10:43:32 GMT
Sorry for upsetting you lads but its not the boycotting by people that annoys me.It's the being "told" by others not to attend. Is this any different to the FA's attitude? All I've done is say the opposite!! and obviously you don't like being dictated to. At the end of the day it is PERSONAL choice and nobody needs being urged one way or the other. At the point at which you made your post nobody was 'dictating' anything. There have been 'true supporter' comments from both sides which I don't think is fair, but as I say both sides have been guilty. Lots of the pro-boycott people have been trying to inform others on the cons of this tournament over the last few weeks. I think that's fair enough, if people don't know or whatever it may have swayed them. If posters are simply trying to play devil's advocate on here its a bit weird, given how controversial the subject has been for months now. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 30, 2016 10:44:53 GMT
That's more they'd take for a championship game! I thought that myself, think they were probably making it up. They said there local paper was reporting it, but I just went on there website and it says buy tickets on the way. So unless it's changed, I don't think tickets were even on sale in advance for them. He tweeted a reply after, saying it was a joke. See they can't even bring a full strength u23 team, as they are missing players on international duty. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 30, 2016 10:47:59 GMT
You're right, it's a massive statement to make. I'd happily make it again. Big respect to your 50 years of support but it's time to consider the future for younger generations of Gasheads and the club as a whole. It amazes me that any passionate supporter who has sampled the highs and the lows over the years would attend tonight's game and effectively vote for the introduction of U23/B teams. The whole idea fundamentally goes against everything which has made the Football League so special and the envy of other footballing countries across the world. The Premier League have ripped up the soul from their competition and they're coming knocking to do the same to the Football League and it cannot be tolerated. Tonight supporters of lower league sides will come together and vote with their feet to register their opposition to the introduction of U23/B teams and I for one hope the trial is a spectacular failure. and did you object when the League decided to introduce 3 points for a win ? What makes you think this cup competition is going to be the death nail of the football league, do you have any evidence that it will ? At the end of the day its only a trial, not set in stone The football league have a new Chairman now and he is very bullish about keeping the league "traditional" - whatever that means these days Well his CE, if it's not the same person, seems to have other ideas? www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/08/28/english-football-league-to-consider-celtic-and-rangers-for-inclu/It would be easy to have the two Scottish giants join 6 Academy teams if the EFL Trophy was a success should the football league ever increase to 100 clubs? It always seemed a bit odd the suggestion that another 8 National sides would join the FL. |
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Post by pauldon on Aug 30, 2016 10:57:36 GMT
Copy of an email I received today from the against league 3 campaign.
Open Letter To Supporters Ahead Of Tonight's EFL Trophy #BTeamBoycott
Tonight sees the first matches of the newly revamped EFL Trophy – and as such the first games of the #BTeamBoycott
Against League 3 is asking supporters not to attend games in the EFL Trophy. We ask this of all supporters, from The Premier League down to League 2, to neutrals and non-league fans. Lower league football is increasingly under threat – and the EFL Trophy sets a damaging irreversible precedent that accelerates and assists the deconstruction of the greatest football pyramid structure in the world.
Whether you choose to boycott B-Team games or the entire competition is your decision. We feel boycotting the entire competition sends a greater message – but we understand supporters when they tell us that they have nothing against playing regular teams in this competition. This is especially relevant when considering the clubs that voted against these measures.
Asking supporters to boycott is a decision that we took with a heavy heart. No-one wants to deliberately avoid going to watch their team. It’s a horrible feeling. Against League 3 has always been a campaign that was run on the wishes and direction provided by our campaign supporters. When the Trophy changes were announced, our Twitter feed and our emails were overwhelmed by fans telling us to organise the boycott of this competition – so we did.
Boycotting doesn’t make you any less loyal or any less of a true supporter. Boycotting means you reject the idea that our teams should become just another tool for the Premier League youth development conveyor belt. Boycotting means you are willing to stand up and be counted to try and improve football for all levels – not for just the select few.
Boycotting these games may have some impact on your team – but a national boycott will have serious damage to the Football League executive – a group that betrayed football supporters for a tiny payday. This vote was forced on teams – and they accepted the idea following promises that were quickly broken. Everyone watched the farcical process of waiting for invitations to be returned from the Premier League. The Football League made promises that it simply could not deliver.
When Greg Dyke’s commission first suggested B-Teams in May 2014 – Against League 3 was started by two lower league football fans that fully rejected the idea that our teams should regularly play reserve sides for the benefit of the National Team. Many agreed with us, and 34,000 supporters signed a petition against these plans. Such was the public pressure that The FA ditched the proposals.
The Football League has always been fully aware that these measures are not supported by fans of the lower leagues. We’re told that “something had to be done” – that “the trophy needed rejuvenating” and Football League executives and chairmen have fallen over themselves to announce that this isn’t “the thin end of the wedge” for B-Teams entering the pyramid structure.
Yes, something had to be done about The EFL Trophy – but attempting to “rejuvenate” a trophy using measures supporters were firmly against is incompetent at best – arrogant at worst.
Serious concerns were raised regarding the voting procedure for these EFL Trophy plans. Representatives from several clubs confirmed to AL3 that they were given minimal notice by The Football League to ask supporters what they thought of the changes.
The decline of The JPT has been steady over a number of years. Why the rush to act? Why the deliberate prevention of supporter consultation? Where is the evidence that the changes truly help the national team?
In Shaun Harvey – The Football League has a chief executive that is overseeing the slow destruction of our pyramid and competition system. Following his exploits at Bradford City and Leeds – it’s unlikely he would himself pass the “Fit & Proper Persons Test” required for owning a football club. Harvey has told government he does not support supporter ownership, been accused by OFCOM of organising harassing radio broadcasts, banned the supporters trust at Leeds from buying tickets after questioning the regime, oversaw the awful EFL rebrand and has pushed for B-Teams despite vocal fan protestations. Against League 3 continues to call for his resignation.
English football is changing. There is genuine pressure from UEFA over England’s fixture scheduling considering that European domestic and international football will see changed formats over the next few years. What supporters must do is ensure we do not get stuck with an unworkable pyramid system for the next number of years. FA Cup replays are under increasing threat. Supporters must be open to change, but they have to be the right changes that benefit the many over the few.
If you decide to protest tonight – please do so safely, peacefully and legally. Please be understanding of fans that do decide to attend and try to educate rather than berate them. Don’t forget to stay involved with your supporters trust – or consider starting one if you don’t have one.
Supporters can be a real force for positive change in football. Let’s start tonight.
Thank you for supporting AL3 and the #BTeamBoycott
James Cave
AL3 Campaign Manager
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Post by miltongas on Aug 30, 2016 10:58:35 GMT
What attendance do you think will be considered a success or failure? Last season our only JPT game at home attendance was 3243. Given that we are pulling in 8000+ for league games what attendance is needed for the FL to say it is a success and how low for it to be a failure. I am not going tonight as I disagree with the academy/youth teams experiment but I might consider the Yeovil game as that is still within the tradition of the cup and sends a message that it is a lower league trophy not to be invaded by the premiershi*e.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 11:14:02 GMT
What attendance do you think will be considered a success or failure? Last season our only JPT game at home attendance was 3243. Given that we are pulling in 8000+ for league games what attendance is needed for the FL to say it is a success and how low for it to be a failure. I am not going tonight as I disagree with the academy/youth teams experiment but I might consider the Yeovil game as that is still within the tradition of the cup and sends a message that it is a lower league trophy not to be invaded by the premiershi*e. I would really hope for a crowd less than 1k tonight, from our perspective. Anything less than 50% of bog standard JPT attendance for each club (<1500 for us) would still send out a message though. |
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Post by mjhgas on Aug 30, 2016 11:25:50 GMT
Under the figure where the club makes a loss will be a failure! It will also be a failure if Reading "B" don't have a full team of English players (to further improve the England national team)!!!
I'm going for less than 1,500, and a loss to the football club.
The Chairman of the EFL should then be called to resign as he has failed miserably!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2016 11:25:57 GMT
Well....now my turn to say something. Having read through all the threads on here, there will be just one loser tonight - and that will be Bristol Rovers Football Club. The reason I say that is because Bristol Rovers have to pay the wages for all the staff that is needed - Bar Staff, Catering Staff, Stewards, Turnstile Operators. Lots of people are saying that they will not attend tonight's game, even though the price to get in is £5 for adults. We are all Gasheads. But tonight it seems this a game to far. What ever the merits of the game, we need a good turnout to help the club make a profit on the night. As I read it, the club will lose money on this game. Yes, the EFL and FA did not consider the fans when they changed the outlook of the competition. BUT.....isn't the games against Yeovil and Portsmouth PROPER Games? I will be at the game tonight in some capacity...after all there no game on Saturday!!!! We wouldn't have budgeted to play Chelsea. That will cover it. Excess staff will get stood down if needs be, since that what management is there for... |
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Post by orgasmic on Aug 30, 2016 11:27:33 GMT
SH has confirmed we can't opt out, we can't even field a weakened team without facing a £5,000 fine, it's all skewed in the Academy teams favour. If fans don't protest by not attending tonight then how else can they protest/get their point across? I honestly feel fans who need attend are being selfish as if it eventually leads to Academy teams entering the FL, is that what they really want? Is missing one meaningless cup game that bigger an issue ? Incidentally the thread title is incorrect as it now seems it's not Academy teams we'll face but teams made of just a minimum of 6 Academy/U23 players the rest can be over 23! All these supporters not attending tonight, would you like to donate your £5 fee to help pay this if DC fields a crap team..... thought not Definitely. |
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 30, 2016 11:31:01 GMT
SH has confirmed we can't opt out, we can't even field a weakened team without facing a £5,000 fine, it's all skewed in the Academy teams favour. If fans don't protest by not attending tonight then how else can they protest/get their point across? I honestly feel fans who need attend are being selfish as if it eventually leads to Academy teams entering the FL, is that what they really want? Is missing one meaningless cup game that bigger an issue ? Incidentally the thread title is incorrect as it now seems it's not Academy teams we'll face but teams made of just a minimum of 6 Academy/U23 players the rest can be over 23! All these supporters not attending tonight, would you like to donate your £5 fee to help pay this if DC fields a crap team..... thought not I would, actually. |
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Post by philbemmygas on Aug 30, 2016 11:33:21 GMT
As I said on the other thread about this game, I am going tonight to see the Gas play. I haven't seen enough football yet this season to not attend.
For what it means, I think the message has probably been received by the FL due to social media campaigns. It just remains to be seen if they heed that message before foisting a load of johhny foreigner youngsters on us again in the near future.
UTG
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Post by gassince1957 on Aug 30, 2016 11:33:42 GMT
This seems to be as divisive as the EU Referendum! The reason this got voted through mainly by the "smaller" clubs, is purely and simply because the big boys put £1m into the prize fund. That sort of money means a lot to teams like Accrington Stanley, less to Rovers, Portsmouth etc. Personally, I think the whole thing stinks, but I don't think boycotting this game (which I can't attend anyway) will make any difference to the outcome, as money is more important than principles in the football world unfortunately. Sort of contradictory though. Not every club will reach the final, and say a <50% of average JPT crowd turnout (so under 1500 for us, hopefully its much less) would send a financial warning to all clubs. I'm pretty certain I read somewhere that clubs get £10k for each win - maybe more in the later rounds. Most clubs only got around 1,000 fans for the early rounds anyway, so possibly not much difference. |
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 30, 2016 11:40:40 GMT
Sorry for upsetting you lads but its not the boycotting by people that annoys me.It's the being "told" by others not to attend. Is this any different to the FA's attitude? All I've done is say the opposite!! and obviously you don't like being dictated to. At the end of the day it is PERSONAL choice and nobody needs being urged one way or the other. When you wrote SUPPORT in caps, you implied that others are lesser supporters for not attending. |
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Post by Icegas on Aug 30, 2016 11:41:30 GMT
See I am 100% with people boycotting this game tonight as if this was ten years ago I would have done the same as I used to go to every home game and half our aways games also.I hate what they have done to this competition thru greed from the very top.
However,due to work I don't get the chance to go to the Gas very often ( Max 10 games per season ) so with as I'm off work today I am thinking about dropping down this tonight,even tho I hate what's happened..
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Post by orgasmic on Aug 30, 2016 11:44:48 GMT
Sorry for upsetting you lads but its not the boycotting by people that annoys me.It's the being "told" by others not to attend. Is this any different to the FA's attitude? All I've done is say the opposite!! and obviously you don't like being dictated to. At the end of the day it is PERSONAL choice and nobody needs being urged one way or the other. All I said was I wasn't attending and I hope others would boycott too. I've not told you what to do at all, but you were the one implying I wasn't a supporter for not attending. Re-read your posts Steve, you were patronising and divisive. It is a personal choice and there are pros and cons to both but this is a forum for debating those pros and cons, not for implying you are a better supporter for attending. |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 30, 2016 11:46:46 GMT
It seams that lots of people on here are happy to donate £5 to the club if DC play'S a substandard team tonight, Fair play to you all, but i don't think DC would do this, So how about donating it to Jon The Stripe and help support the rug rats this way ?
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Post by thegasman on Aug 30, 2016 11:52:36 GMT
My choice is not to attend any U23/has-beens teams we will play against, will ensure my money gets to the club. Its also about time the new sponsors were also put under pressure. Checkatrade would soon withdraw, if they receive many thousands of emails.
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Post by blackthorngas on Aug 30, 2016 12:15:25 GMT
£5 gone to FFSC in lieu of match ticket
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 30, 2016 12:16:48 GMT
It was not in any way meant to mean those people missing this fixture are any lesser or greater supporter however it is a fact that those who miss the game are not supporting the club. I am lucky (or some would say unlucky!!) enough to see every game home and away but does that make me more or less a fan? My personal feeling is that it does not. My first mail on this was against those who were insinuating that nobody should go to this game rather than say it was a Personal choice. Rant over.
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