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Post by countygroundhotel on Sept 5, 2016 18:14:15 GMT
That's because the majority boycotted.Are you not that bothered about B/U23 teams being permanently introduced into lower league competitions? Maybe 50 people on here boycotted the game, 1400 ish didnot... good majority you got there Yes i'm bothered but it won't happen Ah here's Henbury the keyboard warrior. Know that all 1,400 that went are on here do you?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 18:23:09 GMT
That's because the majority boycotted.Are you not that bothered about B/U23 teams being permanently introduced into lower league competitions? Maybe 50 people on here boycotted the game, 1400 ish didnot... good majority you got there Yes i'm bothered but it won't happen Our previous JPT home game saw an attendance of 3,243. Last Tuesday saw 1,418. By my reckoning and factoring in conditions and lack of a Saturday game, just shy of 2,000 boycotted. That's a majority.
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Post by socrates on Sept 5, 2016 18:24:09 GMT
An unfortunate comment against fellow Gasheads.
It is up to each individual Gashead where they show their support without this denigration.
It's not "against fellow Gasheads", it's stating facts. If people really gave a sh** they would not have attended. They attended so ergo they don't give a sh**. Of course that's their right, their opinion, their choice... I bet about a third maybe more of those that went were non the wiser of the repercussions of supporting that night. The rest were made up of people that knew but decided to support their club, people that knew but it was their first game for ages so took the opportunity maybe because they live a distance away and were in the area that day or work weekends so can't make weekend matches. I didn't go but everybody has their reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 18:28:13 GMT
Put the, put the, put the, put the, put the, record on the replay
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Post by socrates on Sept 5, 2016 18:39:22 GMT
End of the day less than 1500 people turned up for a competitive match which must be near if not the record lowest attendance for a Rovers game. I think the majority got their point across. It was never a situation where nobody was going to turn up and people getting their knickers in a twist about it need to get real. We've got tremendous support at Rovers through thick and thin and we're always banging on about how great it is, you can't just turn that off completely. We just turned it down to a trickle that night, end of.
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Post by peterparker on Sept 5, 2016 19:07:22 GMT
The only thing I am advocating is it is right for the FL to consider the future of it's competitions (We don't have to agree with their proposals) and that it should be discussed not dismissed.
why not have 26 team in League One and Two and have 4 extra teams from the conference and scrap the EFL Trophy that not many care about?
Good to see you're changing your views a day or so ago it was where the teams come from not if. Wonder when the Football League are going to open this debate? Seems at the moment their approach is take it or leave it, much like with the Football Trophy which seems to have gone swimmingly well so far ..... I was replying to your comment about loss.of games and income, so suggested an alternative to discuss to increase it The FL have sent out a prospective proposal. Why cant, why shouldnt the clubs come back with their own suggestions for potential revamp? Or should they just blindly carry on before something eventually they really dont want
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Post by orgasmic on Sept 5, 2016 20:05:25 GMT
I explained on one of the other threads about this subject as to why I attended, do I care YES. Can I affect the decision of the F.A. hierarchy, I don't believe I can that is down to the Chairmen of the football league clubs to ensure their voices are heard. By not attending games wholesale the FL management may see dissatisfaction, but the power is with the members of the league. Andy, you know me I am a pretty pragmatic sort of guy who is open and honest. I will happily discuss viewpoints over a beer, I am not one for internet wrangling. I allowed myself to get ill after one such event on here, no longer will a point of view effect me to that degree. UTG, lets sse you all at the Mem this Saturday Just because I disagree with you and others that go to these games doesn't mean I don't respect the right of people to disagree with me. For me the Chairmen have the deciding vote. If they feel it will cost them money in low gate receipts they will vote against it. Not one for wrangling either...will be there Saturday but tiny people mean can't stay for a drink after. Will have a good old mushroom catchup soon though! Utg
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Post by orgasmic on Sept 5, 2016 20:16:32 GMT
Genuine Question: To those that believe it will never happen or that they can't change anything. Why?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 5, 2016 20:50:30 GMT
Genuine Question: To those that believe it will never happen or that they can't change anything. Why? In fairness I'd ask what evidence is there that us boycotting will make a difference. When was the last time the powers that be in any walk of life gave a sh** about what people want? They will do what they like either way. When was the last time taking a stand for what we believe in ever actually worked?
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Post by aghast on Sept 5, 2016 20:52:21 GMT
Genuine Question: To those that believe it will never happen or that they can't change anything. Why? A good question, to which I would say: it might well, and they can if they make their opinions clear. Something, for instance, a large portion of the near-40% of 18-24 year olds who couldn't be bothered to vote in the Brexit referendum are now regretting. Of course we have no vote in this, but there were and are options. Don't go to the match, or pay for the ticket but don't go in, or go and stand facing away from the pitch whilst playing Grand Theft Auto on your phones. Just turning up and cheering on the team like it's any old normal game sends the message to the FL that all is well and it's all systems go for phases B, C and D in the years ahead.
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Sept 5, 2016 20:57:16 GMT
Genuine Question: To those that believe it will never happen or that they can't change anything. Why? In fairness I'd ask what evidence is there that us boycotting will make a difference. When was the last time the powers that be in any walk of life gave a sh** about what people want? They will do what they like either way. When was the last time taking a stand for what we believe in ever actually worked? Oh go on then..... Bastille, Martin Luther King, Boston Tea Party, South African Independence, Berlin Wall ......
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Post by socrates on Sept 5, 2016 21:51:28 GMT
Yeah it's crazy to say that making a stand about something wont make a difference. It usually depends on numbers, if enough people stick to their principles then it can and often does make a difference. Saying" I don't agree with it "but then going won't make any difference that is for sure.
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Post by Gasshole on Sept 6, 2016 4:16:49 GMT
One of the greatest things about English football is it's pyramid system. Gives everyone a chance of progressing, and keeps things fresh and exciting. Been watching a lot of A League for the last 12 years. One league, ten teams, no relagation or promotion. Only way to join is if they increase the number of franchises or take someone's franchise away. In short it's sh1thouse, like being trapped in some kind of fkin Groundhog Day. You've kept watching it for 12 years though? Good point Weeezy. I loathe myself.
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Post by orgasmic on Sept 6, 2016 6:15:49 GMT
Genuine Question: To those that believe it will never happen or that they can't change anything. Why? In fairness I'd ask what evidence is there that us boycotting will make a difference. When was the last time the powers that be in any walk of life gave a sh** about what people want? They will do what they like either way. When was the last time taking a stand for what we believe in ever actually worked? But the powers that be need Chairmen to vote this through; they can't make the changes otherwise. This is why I feel this is different. Unlike the powers that be, these chairmen will have to face fans every other Saturday for the rest of their tenure. There is no hiding place for them. Like it or not, we are also their customers. If a business man has the choice of voting for something he believes will upset his customers with many not buying his product anymore, he won't do it. Take Wael for example, he bought the club because of its enormous fan potential (I'm sure there were other reasons too). If he now votes for something they don't want he loses that potential. He'd be barking to do it. Obviously there are exceptions to this rule as fans of Blackpool will no doubt tell you, but in the main we still have the power on this issue. Chairmen won't vote for something that could destroy their customer base. If it was down to the FA and EFL I have no doubt in my mind they would just make the changes they want, but it isn't.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 6, 2016 12:12:49 GMT
In fairness I'd ask what evidence is there that us boycotting will make a difference. When was the last time the powers that be in any walk of life gave a sh** about what people want? They will do what they like either way. When was the last time taking a stand for what we believe in ever actually worked? Oh go on then..... Bastille, Martin Luther King, Boston Tea Party, South African Independence, Berlin Wall ...... Hull Tigers Cardiff shirts
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Post by lympstonegas on Sept 6, 2016 12:28:17 GMT
Same old spoiling for a fight bored now as Higgs has gone so let's see what's new we can split the fan base over next
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 6, 2016 12:50:56 GMT
In fairness I'd ask what evidence is there that us boycotting will make a difference. When was the last time the powers that be in any walk of life gave a sh** about what people want? They will do what they like either way. When was the last time taking a stand for what we believe in ever actually worked? Oh go on then..... Bastille, Martin Luther King, Boston Tea Party, South African Independence, Berlin Wall ...... Bastille led to bloodletting via the guillotine and the rise of Napolean plus the wars attributed to his name. Martin Luther King was killed for his troubles, the Boston Tea Party was the spark that led to the takeover of vast swathes of Indian land the British promised to honour, South Africa became a one party state under the ANC and Jacob Zuma and the Berlin Wall led to the reemergence of Germany and its dominance of the EU (I don't actually believe that but some will get the in joke;-) ) Then there was the Levellers, Wat Tyler, Chartists, Tolpuddle Martyrs..... Sorry Jon, I only joke and couldn't resist. I actually agree with you. There were the abolitionists, Anti Corn Law League and many more.
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 6, 2016 12:55:44 GMT
Same old spoiling for a fight bored now as Higgs has gone so let's see what's new we can split the fan base over next Can't comment on the individual posters, but one thing I have noticed since the takeover is the the IF has gone native and very quiet, also pretty positive about the stadium amongst other things. This forum has become a little more sceptical, not necessarily a bad thing if not taken too far.
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Sept 6, 2016 13:41:00 GMT
Oh go on then..... Bastille, Martin Luther King, Boston Tea Party, South African Independence, Berlin Wall ...... Bastille led to bloodletting via the guillotine and the rise of Napolean plus the wars attributed to his name. Martin Luther King was killed for his troubles, the Boston Tea Party was the spark that led to the takeover of vast swathes of Indian land the British promised to honour, South Africa became a one party state under the ANC and Jacob Zuma and the Berlin Wall led to the reemergence of Germany and its dominance of the EU (I don't actually believe that but some will get the in joke;-) ) Then there was the Levellers, Wat Tyler, Chartists, Tolpuddle Martyrs..... Sorry Jon, I only joke and couldn't resist. I actually agree with you. There were the abolitionists, Anti Corn Law League and many more. I know exactly what you mean, oh and don't forget a little favourite of mine William Wilberforce - top bloke, wish we had a few more like him in the world today.
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 6, 2016 13:46:55 GMT
Bastille led to bloodletting via the guillotine and the rise of Napolean plus the wars attributed to his name. Martin Luther King was killed for his troubles, the Boston Tea Party was the spark that led to the takeover of vast swathes of Indian land the British promised to honour, South Africa became a one party state under the ANC and Jacob Zuma and the Berlin Wall led to the reemergence of Germany and its dominance of the EU (I don't actually believe that but some will get the in joke;-) ) Then there was the Levellers, Wat Tyler, Chartists, Tolpuddle Martyrs..... Sorry Jon, I only joke and couldn't resist. I actually agree with you. There were the abolitionists, Anti Corn Law League and many more. I know exactly what you mean, oh and don't forget a little favourite of mine William Wilberforce - top bloke, wish we had a few more like him in the world today. Too true. I would add Robert Peel, a Prime Minister who put country before party.
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