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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 9:26:13 GMT
It sounds defensive but it doesn't have to be, what about a 4-5-1?
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Post by syg on Oct 19, 2016 9:29:28 GMT
yes
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Post by newmarketgas on Oct 19, 2016 9:32:22 GMT
Where would the fun be in that ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 9:39:27 GMT
It sounds defensive but it doesn't have to be, what about a 4-5-1? i think with players like colkett,easter and boateng that is a credible option especially away from home
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Post by markczgas on Oct 19, 2016 9:42:45 GMT
I would go with 4-5-1, Taylor lone striker. Allows movement from attacking midfield particularly suited when Easter is available. Solid at the back with variety upfront. I haven't seen a two striker combination upfront that looks like any sort of partnership. A good name for you DARK - I remember the dark, dark days of John Ward's 4 - 5 -1 's not only couldn't we score but it made me not want to see The Gas it was that dull !!
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 19, 2016 9:45:18 GMT
Carry on doing what we're doing, it's great shithousing clubs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 10:10:58 GMT
I would go with 4-5-1, Taylor lone striker. Allows movement from attacking midfield particularly suited when Easter is available. Solid at the back with variety upfront. I haven't seen a two striker combination upfront that looks like any sort of partnership. A good name for you DARK - I remember the dark, dark days of John Ward's 4 - 5 -1 's not only couldn't we score but it made me not want to see The Gas it was that dull !!
John Ward was the guy who used to bring all our players back for corners remember. This formation can be defensive but it also can be quite attacking if the attacking midfielders get forward quickly to support the loan striker.
It might be that its only worth doing on certain pitches or against certain sides but that's up to DC ultimately.
You've got to hand it to DC, he certainly knows how to turn things around but rarely seems to get it right from the start. If we could only find a consistent level throughout the full 90 mins we would be dynamite.
It does make for bloody exciting games 2nd halfs though!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 16:07:07 GMT
Why change successful strategy? So if we go 1 down in 442, then what? Carry on and score,which we do more playing 442 than any other formation. Also is it a strategy,DC said after last night he is fed up of having to change the starting eleven all the time at HT,so it sounds like more a necessity than a strategy.
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Post by socrates on Oct 19, 2016 16:27:57 GMT
We seem to score the majority of our goals playing 4-4-2 and look our most comfortable at the back and every player seems to know their job and I've been saying for that for years. However DC does like to mix it up and we've done incredibly well over the last 2 years. If we'd played 4-4-2 every game would we be higher in the league than we are now ? I don't know nobody does. DC is crazy the way he chops and changes I've never known any manager do what he does but hes also extremely successful so I'm happy for him to do whatever he wants really. It's bizarre really how for example Boateng was our best player against Sheff UTD but hasn't played since , absolutely crazy but in that time we've won two and drawn one so its worked. Mad init !!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 16:37:42 GMT
433 doesn't feature wingers. You have 3 forwards, the full backs sometimes get forward but usual the two wider forwards will cut in. Not get to the byline.
DC has stated 433 is a formation we use when the opposition like to play it out from the back. It's a pressing formation which gives the opposition limited options , esp passing teams
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 16:39:46 GMT
Home or away, wing backs wont work because we don't have the players who can play wing backs.
Lee Brown is a sound player but all his worse games are when playing as a wing back.
4-4-2 is fine, there is nobody in this league we should be changing formations for, maybe just the personnel for select games.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 16:48:54 GMT
433 doesn't feature wingers. You have 3 forwards, the full backs sometimes get forward but usual the two wider forwards will cut in. Not get to the byline. DC has stated 433 is a formation we use when the opposition like to play it out from the back. It's a pressing formation which gives the opposition limited options , esp passing teams Well they played through us with ease and our three forwards were spread across the pitch isolated and easily played around,we didn't press the ball at all.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 19, 2016 16:53:29 GMT
Home or away, wing backs wont work because we don't have the players who can play wing backs. Lee Brown is a sound player but all his worse games are when playing as a wing back. 4-4-2 is fine, there is nobody in this league we should be changing formations for, maybe just the personnel for select games. You say that but what team in this league currently knows how to set up against us? Jesus, we go every week and none of us can call the team or formation! And even then he just goes and changes it at half time anyway. There is also the opposite argument that we are only getting results because he changes it every week. Become predictable, teams will set up to play us and we may end up losing a lot more. Lets just enjoy the ride.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 17:00:47 GMT
433 doesn't feature wingers. You have 3 forwards, the full backs sometimes get forward but usual the two wider forwards will cut in. Not get to the byline. DC has stated 433 is a formation we use when the opposition like to play it out from the back. It's a pressing formation which gives the opposition limited options , esp passing teams Well they played through us with ease and our three forwards were spread across the pitch isolated and easily played around,we didn't press the ball at all. I wasn't there but every time we have played 433 we have looked poor so I don't doubt it!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 19, 2016 17:01:07 GMT
As unpredictable as his lines up are, does anyone else find hos subs rather predictable?
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 19, 2016 17:04:06 GMT
Does it really matter what we think, as unless DC ask us to pick the formation on Saturday he pick what he thinks his best?
I think most of us will accept he seems to know what he's doing?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 19, 2016 17:16:39 GMT
As unpredictable as his lines up are, does anyone else find hos subs rather predictable? Yes, but it seems pretty clear that our team is much more able to adapt to major changes half way through a game much better than our opponents.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 17:25:32 GMT
Does it really matter what we think, as unless DC ask us to pick the formation on Saturday he pick what he thinks his best? I think most of us will accept he seems to know what he's doing? I think his strength is in everything. However it does appear he lays the squad kit on the centre circle and beheads 11 chickens, and wherever the headless chicken stops gets a first team place. Then, 4 random shirts are chosen by enineniminimo. The 15 shirts are then placed into the crystal maze magic ticket air blowerdome. The first four that Steve Yates can grab in his stint (provides he has crystals, won by completing training tasks) are placed on the subs bench with the remaining team the starting X1. Then, an American injun, winning games, is appointed to start a rain dance. The club chaplain then blesses the pool of water and the shirts are thrown in. As the sun dries the pool, the arrangement of the shirts is the formation.
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Post by slam on Oct 19, 2016 17:33:10 GMT
I can remember reams and reams of comments during the John Ward era (and previous eras for that matter) berating the lack of a Plan B. We now seem to be squabbling about the fact that we seem to not only have a Plan B but also maybe a Plan C & D as well. Not only that, but we seem to have built a squad of players that can fit into each and every one of those different plans and to produce results at the end of the game.
I would argue that part of the reason for our current run of results isn't necessarily because we change to 4-4-2 from about the 60 minute mark of each game. I would argue that the difference is simply down to the fact that we are capable of change, and capable of playing in different ways with a personnel tweaked by strategic substitutions and fresher legs than the opposition (The squad also seems fitter than most).
There are pros and cons of every formation - I just like the fact that we can change it up.
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Post by tinner on Oct 19, 2016 17:44:35 GMT
I don't understand why some people are never satisfied....we have had successive promotions and have lost 1 in 10 this season, off the back of DC's approach of treating each game individually and making what he believes are the appropriate changes. Of course he doesn't always get it right, but who does?
Our flexibility and familarity with playing different formations means that more often than not, when we make changes, we quickly adapt to them and often see a positive reaction, as demonstrated by our late goals.
Therefore, to suggest we simply switch to a standard 4 4 2 is in my opinion ridiculous, and a backward step! Surely we should continue with an approach that has brought us success, and is, at present, also working working well this season.
So a big resounding NO from me, lets keep our approach the same because quite simply, as it stands, it is bringing us results.
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