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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2016 23:24:24 GMT
I don't understand why some people are never satisfied....we have had successive promotions and have lost 1 in 10 this season, off the back of DC's approach of treating each game individually and making what he believes are the appropriate changes. Of course he doesn't always get it right, but who does? Our flexibility and familarity with playing different formations means that more often than not, when we make changes, we quickly adapt to them and often see a positive reaction, as demonstrated by our late goals. Therefore, to suggest we simply switch to a standard 4 4 2 is in my opinion ridiculous, and a backward step! Surely we should continue with an approach that has brought us success, and is, at present, also working working well this season. So a big resounding NO from me, lets keep our approach the same because quite simply, as it stands, it is bringing us results. thats true of course but the manager hasnt planned to keep going behind in games so his initial game plan is often failing at the moment although mostly points have been recovered from going behind
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Oct 19, 2016 23:47:17 GMT
Yes! Other formations leave us seriously exposed on the wings. We always seem to be chasing from f**k ups resulting from playing a 3 at the back. Monty or Moore typically come on and make a difference. Whilst we're at it we can stop starting Sinclair and Ollie Clarke too. We've got Boateng, Colkettt, Moore, Bodin and Montano and we start with these two and become explosive when they leave the pitch to be replaced by one of the others. Bodin needs to pull his finger out of his arse though because he hasn't been the same this season. You could say that these players wouldn't be as effective if they started, as when they come off the bench the 'grafters' like Sinclair and Clarke have spent 60-70 minutes wearing down the opposition?
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Post by peterhooper57 on Oct 20, 2016 6:05:47 GMT
Yes! Other formations leave us seriously exposed on the wings. We always seem to be chasing from f**k ups resulting from playing a 3 at the back. Monty or Moore typically come on and make a difference. Whilst we're at it we can stop starting Sinclair and Ollie Clarke too. We've got Boateng, Colkettt, Moore, Bodin and Montano and we start with these two and become explosive when they leave the pitch to be replaced by one of the others. Bodin needs to pull his finger out of his arse though because he hasn't been the same this season. You could say that these players wouldn't be as effective if they started, as when they come off the bench the 'grafters' like Sinclair and Clarke have spent 60-70 minutes wearing down the opposition? I still need to be convinced about the effect Sinclair has on the match, yes he chases around like a raving man possessed, but he always seems to be around when we concede goals; I know its not necessarily down to him, but it must be down to the formation, which he is certainly a part of. Although, DC would quite rightly say, he will do it his way, and if that means playing / starting with 4-4-2, 3-5-2, 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, etc. .. then so be it. I guess I am saying "leave it too him" two promotions in two years, wtf do I know?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 20, 2016 6:18:43 GMT
You could say that these players wouldn't be as effective if they started, as when they come off the bench the 'grafters' like Sinclair and Clarke have spent 60-70 minutes wearing down the opposition? I still need to be convinced about the effect Sinclair has on the match, yes he chases around like a raving man possessed, but he always seems to be around when we concede goals; I know its not necessarily down to him, but it must be down to the formation, which he is certainly a part of. Although, DC would quite rightly say, he will do it his way, and if that means playing / starting with 4-4-2, 3-5-2, 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, etc. .. then so be it. I guess I am saying "leave it too him" two promotions in two years, wtf do I know? Â I guess the effects Sinclair has on a game is the same as all the other players in so much that we keep getting results!
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Post by bluegas on Oct 20, 2016 9:07:56 GMT
You could say that these players wouldn't be as effective if they started, as when they come off the bench the 'grafters' like Sinclair and Clarke have spent 60-70 minutes wearing down the opposition?[/quote]
A blinding shaft of light. What I'd imagine DC is trying to do - let his ballplayers loose on a tiring defence. Seems to work.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Oct 20, 2016 9:32:14 GMT
I think under DC we go into pretty much every match with a different game plan for each half of football.
In the first half of games we tend to play some form of 352 or 433, don't commit too many men forward and try to keep it tight and go in level or only one goal down at HT.
Then either at HT or midway through the second half he'll bring on pace (Harrison, Montaño, Moore etc.) and change formation to give the opposition two new things to deal with (I.e new players and new system).
Combine that with the high fitness levels of our players to battle right until the very end in games (in part due to a rotated squad), and I think that's how we're getting success.
So I don't think we're ever going to be a team that just plays 442 for 90 minutes every game, because that takes away our element of surprise when we change it up and go for the jugular.
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 20, 2016 9:33:52 GMT
Roses are red, Rovers are blue, Should Rovers play 4-4-2?
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Post by socrates on Oct 20, 2016 9:37:01 GMT
Roses are red, Rovers are blue, Should Rovers play 4-4-2? ....If we did every game We'd probably be poo
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 9:41:35 GMT
Home or away, wing backs wont work because we don't have the players who can play wing backs. Lee Brown is a sound player but all his worse games are when playing as a wing back. 4-4-2 is fine, there is nobody in this league we should be changing formations for, maybe just the personnel for select games. You say that but what team in this league currently knows how to set up against us? Jesus, we go every week and none of us can call the team or formation! And even then he just goes and changes it at half time anyway.There is also the opposite argument that we are only getting results because he changes it every week. Become predictable, teams will set up to play us and we may end up losing a lot more. Lets just enjoy the ride.
Surely that sentence alone tells us that he gets it wrong from the start. On Tuesday you could see we were too narrow while MK Dons were enjoying taking the water down the flanks. I don't see the benefit either of someone like Boateng getting MOTM against Sheff Utd and then doesn't get into the squad. where is the incentive to play well and keep your place? You aren't going to be match fit by playing once every 2 or 3 games. I must say results have been good but we could have been even higher by starting games well.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 20, 2016 9:48:49 GMT
You say that but what team in this league currently knows how to set up against us? Jesus, we go every week and none of us can call the team or formation! And even then he just goes and changes it at half time anyway.There is also the opposite argument that we are only getting results because he changes it every week. Become predictable, teams will set up to play us and we may end up losing a lot more. Lets just enjoy the ride.
Surely that sentence alone tells us that he gets it wrong from the start. On Tuesday you could see we were too narrow while MK Dons were enjoying taking the p**s down the flanks. I don't see the benefit either of someone like Boateng getting MOTM against Sheff Utd and then doesn't get into the squad. where is the incentive to play well and keep your place? You aren't going to be match fit by playing once every 2 or 3 games. I must say results have been good but we could have been even higher by starting games well.
No because his plan IS to change it at half time. He does it because it's what he does, not because he's necessarily got it wrong in the first 45mins. That was the point I was trying make.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 10:14:59 GMT
You say that but what team in this league currently knows how to set up against us? Jesus, we go every week and none of us can call the team or formation! And even then he just goes and changes it at half time anyway.There is also the opposite argument that we are only getting results because he changes it every week. Become predictable, teams will set up to play us and we may end up losing a lot more. Lets just enjoy the ride.
Surely that sentence alone tells us that he gets it wrong from the start. On Tuesday you could see we were too narrow while MK Dons were enjoying taking the p**s down the flanks. I don't see the benefit either of someone like Boateng getting MOTM against Sheff Utd and then doesn't get into the squad. where is the incentive to play well and keep your place? You aren't going to be match fit by playing once every 2 or 3 games. I must say results have been good but we could have been even higher by starting games well.
Why wasn't Boateng in the squad?
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Post by philbemmygas on Oct 20, 2016 10:27:24 GMT
Surely that sentence alone tells us that he gets it wrong from the start. On Tuesday you could see we were too narrow while MK Dons were enjoying taking the p**s down the flanks. I don't see the benefit either of someone like Boateng getting MOTM against Sheff Utd and then doesn't get into the squad. where is the incentive to play well and keep your place? You aren't going to be match fit by playing once every 2 or 3 games. I must say results have been good but we could have been even higher by starting games well.
Why wasn't Boateng in the squad? Could start a wild rumour about attitude/drinking/smoking or trust the Managers judgement I guess
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 20, 2016 10:41:48 GMT
Could be just injured?
Whilst DC blames the players he did seem to get the starting formation totally wrong at MK, plus I've yet to see BB have a good game when he doesn't play on the right wing. As far as Moore being better when he comes on as sub didn't he recently have a brilliant game when he started at the Mem plus Monty usually puts in a decent shift when started?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 10:56:31 GMT
Surely that sentence alone tells us that he gets it wrong from the start. On Tuesday you could see we were too narrow while MK Dons were enjoying taking the p**s down the flanks. I don't see the benefit either of someone like Boateng getting MOTM against Sheff Utd and then doesn't get into the squad. where is the incentive to play well and keep your place? You aren't going to be match fit by playing once every 2 or 3 games. I must say results have been good but we could have been even higher by starting games well.
No because his plan IS to change it at half time. He does it because it's what he does, not because he's necessarily got it wrong in the first 45mins. That was the point I was trying make.
From where I am watching either DC doesn't set the team up correct from kick off, or the players don't seem to take the game to the opposition until they go 1 or 2 down.
Would he change things if we are winning at HT? I cant imagine anyone's plan would be to be losing at half time and try to fight back and win in the 2nd?
Its just strange to see the same thing every game, and while its nice to come back and win most of them I do get a feeling it wont continue.
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Post by philbemmygas on Oct 20, 2016 11:04:32 GMT
No because his plan IS to change it at half time. He does it because it's what he does, not because he's necessarily got it wrong in the first 45mins. That was the point I was trying make.
From where I am watching either DC doesn't set the team up correct from kick off, or the players don't seem to take the game to the opposition until they go 1 or 2 down.
Would he change things if we are winning at HT? I cant imagine anyone's plan would be to be losing at half time and try to fight back and win in the 2nd?
Its just strange to see the same thing every game, and while its nice to come back and win most of them I do get a feeling it wont continue.
Yee of little faith
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 11:11:43 GMT
From where I am watching either DC doesn't set the team up correct from kick off, or the players don't seem to take the game to the opposition until they go 1 or 2 down.
Would he change things if we are winning at HT? I cant imagine anyone's plan would be to be losing at half time and try to fight back and win in the 2nd?
Its just strange to see the same thing every game, and while its nice to come back and win most of them I do get a feeling it wont continue.
Yee of little faith
I am pessimistic by nature, this is Bristol Rovers after all! Teams will surely just start throwing the kitchen sink at us from the kick off, MK Dons should have been completely out of sight by half time which would have meant a resurrection of biblical proportions. For all the personnel and formation changes, one constant thing is we are average to poor in the first half and above average in the 2nd half.
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Post by badengas on Oct 20, 2016 11:12:28 GMT
Happy as things are. Wouldn't mind seeing attacking players as wing backs in a 532 tried though.
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Post by radders on Oct 20, 2016 11:39:00 GMT
I'm one of the very, very few who actually likes the 3-5-2/5-3-2 system. Works well when leadbitter actually fancies turning up and we're light on the ground with CM's due to suspensions and injuries. I do however think that with the CM talent we have now that 4-4-2 does work slightly better if its a narrow 4-4-2 without wingers, big question is wingers or narrow diamond?
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 20, 2016 12:38:45 GMT
I'm one of the very, very few who actually likes the 3-5-2/5-3-2 system. Works well when leadbitter actually fancies turning up and we're light on the ground with CM's due to suspensions and injuries. I do however think that with the CM talent we have now that 4-4-2 does work slightly better if its a narrow 4-4-2 without wingers, big question is wingers or narrow diamond? TBH I can't recall many matches where I'd say it worked well i.e. we were at least 1-0 up, it just seems to contain other teams, when it works, although the Bolton games springs to mind where we gave them a half time lead which we couldn't claw back, plus we also went 1-0 down to Sheff Utd and lost, perhaps coming from 1-0 against the other play off contenders isn't quite so easy? Problem with a narrow diamond is both FB's are unprotected and none of them seem brilliant at defending in that role plus it gives the opposition player plenty of space to get crosses in, which was the case on Tuesday for two goals. Probably DC likes the diamond the players less so?
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Post by socrates on Oct 20, 2016 19:13:27 GMT
As far as I can remember we've only played 4-4-2 for a whole game once this season and we won v Oxford I can't remember who scored first though.
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