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Post by aghast on Nov 8, 2016 20:56:54 GMT
We've had recent threads on Trollope and McGhee and lots of comment on Buckle and Ward , but not much on poor old Dave.
He was the first man to seriously head us towards League 2, although not the man who actually took us there.
A tough guy from up North, yet he had a disastrous spell with us.
Was this experienced manager really so seriously undermined by Campbell and co that he could not manage us, or could he just not manage? He wanted to cut the dead wood out, but the dead wood became a dead weight and sunk us.
DC wouldn't have stood for it.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 8, 2016 21:06:29 GMT
Darrells run to the end of the season was not to dissimilar to Penneys, although Penney had a bit longer. If he has been given until the start of the next season maybe he would have been alright?
That said, his attitude towards the existing players could have caused a lot of the strife seen and perhaps NH saw no option but to see him off based on the disharmony in the dressing room.
Darrell only called the lazy and inept out for what they were once the dreaded moment had passed.
Either way - penneys reign was the beginning of the slide out of the league. I like to think of the 2014 relegation as the embers burning out and our resurgence since as the Phoenix rising from the ashes to hopefully become something better than we ever thought rovers could be.
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Post by gregsy on Nov 8, 2016 21:09:10 GMT
probably the darkest times I've witnessed in my time as a gashead, including relegation to the conference. at least then us fans were in agreement of the problems, but it was very sinister with gashead turning on each other....
it was the only time ever I've considered giving it all up....
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 8, 2016 21:11:43 GMT
P1ss poor leadership again from the top, we really wanted a manager to nurse us over the line then sort the club out during that summer, probably a JW type manager would have done that, instead DP was brought in with a "my way or the highway approach" and all the players choose the latter!
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Nov 8, 2016 21:16:39 GMT
Darrells run to the end of the season was not to dissimilar to Penneys, although Penney had a bit longer. If he has been given until the start of the next season maybe he would have been alright? That said, his attitude towards the existing players could have caused a lot of the strife seen and perhaps NH saw no option but to see him off based on the disharmony in the dressing room. Darrell only called the lazy and inept out for what they were once the dreaded moment had passed. Either way - penneys reign was the beginning of the slide out of the league. I like to think of the 2014 relegation as the embers burning out and our resurgence since as the Phoenix rising from the ashes to hopefully become something better than we ever thought rovers could be. Penney last seen being found guilty of assaulting a copper!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 21:17:36 GMT
Penney Vs Campbell, only ever gunna be one winner.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 21:23:44 GMT
Was a man brought in by Higgs and seriously let down by Higgs. Told to sort out Campbell, Lines and Co and he will be backed to the hilt. Instead stabbed in the back by Higgs who let the mob rule. Truly embarrassing times and in no way the fault of Dave Penney,who brought in some good,reliable loan signings who put in a shift unlike the misfits led by Campbell. Some supporters will always say the football under Penney was bad. Just think,not only is it hard to stop the rot at a shambolic football club but also it cannot be easy to field a team of eleven knowing that only half of that team will be putting in a shift for Bristol Rovers FC. Brentford away will always stay in my memory of those bad times where Campbell,Lines etc just didn't want to know.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Nov 8, 2016 21:33:32 GMT
We've had recent threads on Trollope and McGhee and lots of comment on Buckle and Ward , but not much on poor old Dave. He was the first man to seriously head us towards League 2, although not the man who actually took us there. A tough guy from up North, yet he had a disastrous spell with us. Was this experienced manager really so seriously undermined by Campbell and co that he could not manage us, or could he just not manage? He wanted to cut the dead wood out, but the dead wood became a dead weight and sunk us. DC wouldn't have stood for it. 'the first man to seriously head us towards League 2' Did I miss the quality squad he inherited? Miss the mid-table position we were in when he took over? The first man to seriously head us to League 2 was the person who when we moved into the relegation zone said he didn't believe we were in a relegation fight and that certainly wasn't Penney.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 8, 2016 21:44:37 GMT
Do we really need another fall out over PT on the forum?
As far as Penny when players are threatening to deck the manager on the training ground you sense he's taken things a bit too far, I was warned by an Oldham it'd end in tears and the fact he's never managed a league club since his spell with us I guess sums his managerial ability up.
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Post by gregsy on Nov 8, 2016 21:46:52 GMT
Do we really need another fall out over PT on the forum? As far as Penny when players are threatening to deck the manager on the training ground you sense he's taken things a bit too far, I was warned by an Oldham it'd end in tears and the fact he's never managed a league club since his spell with us I guess sums his managerial ability up. bipper on bbc606 per chance?
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Post by singupgas on Nov 8, 2016 21:50:48 GMT
We were awful and deserved to go down both occasions.
How we have risen from the ashes of dark times - last couple years are some of the best ive known it to date.
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Post by aghast on Nov 8, 2016 21:54:35 GMT
We've had recent threads on Trollope and McGhee and lots of comment on Buckle and Ward , but not much on poor old Dave. He was the first man to seriously head us towards League 2, although not the man who actually took us there. A tough guy from up North, yet he had a disastrous spell with us. Was this experienced manager really so seriously undermined by Campbell and co that he could not manage us, or could he just not manage? He wanted to cut the dead wood out, but the dead wood became a dead weight and sunk us. DC wouldn't have stood for it. 'the first man to seriously head us towards League 2' Did I miss the quality squad he inherited? Miss the mid-table position we were in when he took over? The first man to seriously head us to League 2 was the person who when we moved into the relegation zone said he didn't believe we were in a relegation fight and that certainly wasn't Penney. OK the second man, if you like. This is about Penney, not Trollope. Just interested in opinions about DP not PT.
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Post by justin blue on Nov 8, 2016 22:26:37 GMT
We've had recent threads on Trollope and McGhee and lots of comment on Buckle and Ward , but not much on poor old Dave. He was the first man to seriously head us towards League 2, although not the man who actually took us there. A tough guy from up North, yet he had a disastrous spell with us. Was this experienced manager really so seriously undermined by Campbell and co that he could not manage us, or could he just not manage? He wanted to cut the dead wood out, but the dead wood became a dead weight and sunk us. DC wouldn't have stood for it. I really think Penney, Buckle, and McGhee didn't work out because they were brought in cold with no knowledge of the workings of Rovers. The Managers that have been succesfull at Rovers Gould, Francis, Holloway, Trollope and Clarke were all at Rovers for some time before taking the reigns. Of course this is only a theory.
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Post by gasincider on Nov 8, 2016 22:36:08 GMT
Penney was finished the minute he came here. Campbell was determined the job should be his and turned the dumb players against him. Campbell was to blame pure and simple.
As said previously, he got no backing from the one man who said he would back him. Even DC would not have survived that. Thank god it's long gone as is Campbell.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 9, 2016 7:34:57 GMT
Campbell was a complete bell end and should be removed from BRFC folklore. the only person Campbell cared about was himself and F##k to Bristol Rovers
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 9:04:44 GMT
Campbell was a complete bell end and should be removed from BRFC folklore. the only person Campbell cared about was himself and F##k to Bristol Rovers What's that view based on out of interest? Did you know him or anyone else involved?
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Post by countygroundhotel on Nov 9, 2016 9:09:22 GMT
'the first man to seriously head us towards League 2' Did I miss the quality squad he inherited? Miss the mid-table position we were in when he took over? The first man to seriously head us to League 2 was the person who when we moved into the relegation zone said he didn't believe we were in a relegation fight and that certainly wasn't Penney. OK the second man, if you like. This is about Penney, not Trollope. Just interested in opinions about DP not PT. Well as long as people recognise the pile of sh** he walked into, but you can't talk about Penney in isolation without recognising the shocking squad assembled by Trollope. My opinion is I have no idea if he could've been any good or not, but his record since does suggest not, as he was let down by the squad he inherited & the chairman who didn't support or didn't know how to support him.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 9, 2016 10:15:44 GMT
Campbell was a complete bell end and should be removed from BRFC folklore. the only person Campbell cared about was himself and F##k to Bristol Rovers What's that view based on out of interest? Did you know him or anyone else involved? Yes to the 2nd part of your Question
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Post by CrispPusher on Nov 9, 2016 11:13:00 GMT
The lessons learned after sacking Penney because Campbell and his boys (including Lines) went on strike, will have no doubt contributed to the decision to stick with Darrell the second time around. We would never have dropped out of the Football League if we had given Penney the rebuilding job over Buckle, but alls well that ends well!
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Post by faggotygas on Nov 9, 2016 12:45:51 GMT
Pnney made a simple, and pretty obvious mistake. On his first meeting with the players, he told them that he thought they were all sh*t, and he will replace all of them if he could. this was told to me by one of the players, who I happened to know at the time.
But he did this with the Transfer Window gone, and so only limited players available to bring in. Crazy man-management.
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