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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 17:42:53 GMT
Honest Question for everybody to consider. What is our best 11?? Not very clever question as even DC has publicly stated he doesn't know
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 17:55:38 GMT
...............and where was Luke James yesterday? He made an immediate impact when he came on on Tuesday. He was full of energy and came very close to scoring. If Taylor and Gaffney had to be rested I would far rather James had started than Harrison. but the manager prefers to play with at least one taller/stronger player so hes not likely to pair easter and james.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 17:57:14 GMT
Best eleven? Well, opinions are like arseholes, we've all got one. Back to back promotions suggest that DC's opinion is probably better than anyone elses opinion on this forum.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 20, 2016 18:23:18 GMT
Honest Question for everybody to consider. What is our best 11?? The 11 that finished the game on saturday would be a good start
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Post by toddy1953 on Nov 20, 2016 18:34:40 GMT
Let's not forget, approx 2 years ago we were 6th in the Conf & this time last year we were mid table in L2. DC’s methods seem to be based on a new project for each game & sometimes a project plan need adjusting, for example a cup replay going to extra time. Sometimes his plan works well & sometimes not, but results of his management to date suggests it works more often than not. In yesterday’s squad I think there were 9 that played in the Conf, DC knows what is best for the squad of players he has & how to get the best out of them. I have been supporting for over 50 years & this squad is the fittest I can recall. Look at Gafney at the end of the game on Tues, it looked like he’d been shagging all our wives, if that was a few years back you wouldn't have seen him again for at least 2 weeks or he would have ended up playing 90 min in the next game & picking up an injury. I accept we all have our own opinions of what team & formation we want to see each week & also some of us like to see some players play & others nowhere near the first team,but some of the comments, are for me getting a little tiresome now. I think people see too much football on the telly & expect the same standards – For me if DC can produce similar results over the next 20 games I will be more than happy.
Best 11? I recon DC would say the 11 on the pitch!!
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Nov 20, 2016 18:37:20 GMT
Right decision in my view, he knew he had a knackered team, a heavy pitch and pacy opposition. So strategy of contain in 1st half and try and nick it in 2nd looked sensible to me. I think the HT changes were always the plan, it nearly worked. Bloke stood by me said the subs showed DC thinks he got it wrong, which I thought was totally incorrect. I think DC uses subs well to try and win across 90 minutes, this for me was another example I'd much rather we played our best attacking team in 4-4-2, get the lead and then replace them rather than the other way around. Because if we started every home game with an attacking lineup in a 4-4-2 it automatically = us taking the lead in games? Also if we started with 4-4-2 all the time then opposition managers would come to the Mem with a plan to combat it every game - whereas at the moment they can't come up with tactics to face us with any certainty of what shape we will put out. People seem to forget there's two sides that play in every match and the way both sides set up has a direct impact on the success (or otherwise) of the game plan of the opposition. IMO we aren't good enough at this level to say 'let's just start 442 every match and impose our game on them and blow them away lads'. Keep them guessing.
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Post by markczgas on Nov 20, 2016 18:42:39 GMT
Can't believe some of the stuff being suggested in here John Ward kept a settled side every week, nobody motivated and complacency amongst the starting XI with a lack of depth in the squad. Let's return to that. Honestly, people who have been on this journey since June 2014 know to have faith in the bloke. Sometimes it 'goes wrong' (amazing how a point at home to MK is an example of that, but anyway..), other times it surprises you with a great result. I think the long, dark, grey days are starting to get to a few people ! Cheer Up people we're near the top of L1 !! ................. and there's no wheels falling off the wagon - as far as I can see anyway.
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Post by markczgas on Nov 20, 2016 18:48:04 GMT
Let's not forget, approx 2 years ago we were 6th in the Conf & this time last year we were mid table in L2. DC’s methods seem to be based on a new project for each game & sometimes a project plan need adjusting, for example a cup replay going to extra time. Sometimes his plan works well & sometimes not, but results of his management to date suggests it works more often than not. In yesterday’s squad I think there were 9 that played in the Conf, DC knows what is best for the squad of players he has & how to get the best out of them. I have been supporting for over 50 years & this squad is the fittest I can recall. Look at Gafney at the end of the game on Tues, it looked like he’d been shagging all our wives, if that was a few years back you wouldn't have seen him again for at least 2 weeks or he would have ended up playing 90 min in the next game & picking up an injury.I accept we all have our own opinions of what team & formation we want to see each week & also some of us like to see some players play & others nowhere near the first team,but some of the comments, are for me getting a little tiresome now. I think people see too much football on the telly & expect the same standards – For me if DC can produce similar results over the next 20 games I will be more than happy. Best 11? I recon DC would say the 11 on the pitch!! Well said, I've also been around for a long time now - 43 years a supporter and I agree whole-heartedly about the fitness point of view. We are also a very well -organised team that never knows it's beaten. UTG !
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Post by markczgas on Nov 20, 2016 18:52:33 GMT
To a certain extent I agree with SteveK, too many changes, maybe just one too many! The problem was, and many people I was with agree, that when DC had to make changes early, he a) Left himself exposed to an injury to one of the other players, b) Didn't give himself the option of bringing Montano/Bodin on for width. I agree with SteveK, there is no point in playing both Sinclair and Ollie Clarke in a midfield four. Montano did enough on Tuesday to warrant another start and he does offer more defensively than Bodin (plus he works well with Browner) and can work as the left side of the 'Diamond'. As for Harrison?? He is an enigma! I don't know if DC knows which Ellis is going to turn up when he plays him, but too often recently it's been the 'falling over every time I'm challenged' Ellis and he seems to have lost that instinct for tucking away the chances. I was all for the introduction of Jake C-S as Hartley looked distinctly slow and ponderous against Crawley and thought that Jake C-S, could have challenged Tom Lockyer for MOM. I appreciated why he rested Gaffers, Matty and Linesy, but just thought it was one too many changes. I regarded it as two points lost against a MK Dons side that looked almost as good here, as they did at their place. I'd make a bid for Baldock in January, one of the best attacking full backs I've seen (and not bad defensively!) as much as I like Leads he hasn't quite got the same attacking threat. Again, my and some of the people round me's opinion, but we're all entitled to one!! some good points, but don't you think Leads sets up quite a few goals ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 19:17:50 GMT
I'd much rather we played our best attacking team in 4-4-2, get the lead and then replace them rather than the other way around. Because if we started every home game with an attacking lineup in a 4-4-2 it automatically = us taking the lead in games? Also if we started with 4-4-2 all the time then opposition managers would come to the Mem with a plan to combat it every game - whereas at the moment they can't come up with tactics to face us with any certainty of what shape we will put out. People seem to forget there's two sides that play in every match and the way both sides set up has a direct impact on the success (or otherwise) of the game plan of the opposition. IMO we aren't good enough at this level to say 'let's just start 442 every match and impose our game on them and blow them away lads'.Keep them guessing. I'm not saying that, I simply think we should play our best players in their best positions with the most effective formation. I wont worry if the opposition manager knows how we will setup because our players are capable of winning promotion from this league. Maybe DC had the start vs MK Dons in mind from the away game and setup a bit negatively (eg Clarke and Beard starting together). The 2nd sentence ive marked in bold is pretty much exactly what I would do. You wont win them all but to me that's the best way to play with the players available. DC has the uncanny ability to read the games and change it for the better, but the fact he has to change it for the better tells me we dont setup for games in the right way. I can probably name about 4 games where we have had a good first half.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 20, 2016 19:32:41 GMT
Because if we started every home game with an attacking lineup in a 4-4-2 it automatically = us taking the lead in games? Also if we started with 4-4-2 all the time then opposition managers would come to the Mem with a plan to combat it every game - whereas at the moment they can't come up with tactics to face us with any certainty of what shape we will put out. People seem to forget there's two sides that play in every match and the way both sides set up has a direct impact on the success (or otherwise) of the game plan of the opposition. IMO we aren't good enough at this level to say 'let's just start 442 every match and impose our game on them and blow them away lads'.Keep them guessing. I'm not saying that, I simply think we should play our best players in their best positions with the most effective formation. I wont worry if the opposition manager knows how we will setup because our players are capable of winning promotion from this league. Maybe DC had the start vs MK Dons in mind from the away game and setup a bit negatively (eg Clarke and Beard starting together). The 2nd sentence ive marked in bold is pretty much exactly what I would do. You wont win them all but to me that's the best way to play with the players available. DC has the uncanny ability to read the games and change it for the better, but the fact he has to change it for the better tells me we dont setup for games in the right way. I can probably name about 4 games where we have had a good first half. As many as 4?! I can't think of a single home game where DC hasn't improved us with either a formation change or substitution.
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Post by aghast on Nov 20, 2016 20:56:28 GMT
My brother's plumber's wife's masseuse reckons DC's deliberately losing a few because Wael has told him not to get into the Championship until the stadium is underway.
Just passing it on.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Nov 20, 2016 21:52:59 GMT
What is all this bollox about a heavy pitch. Fecking crap. There is nothing wrong with the sodding playing surface. Yeah, nothing wrong with that sodding sodden playing surface!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 22:39:23 GMT
I'm not saying that, I simply think we should play our best players in their best positions with the most effective formation. I wont worry if the opposition manager knows how we will setup because our players are capable of winning promotion from this league. Maybe DC had the start vs MK Dons in mind from the away game and setup a bit negatively (eg Clarke and Beard starting together). The 2nd sentence ive marked in bold is pretty much exactly what I would do. You wont win them all but to me that's the best way to play with the players available. DC has the uncanny ability to read the games and change it for the better, but the fact he has to change it for the better tells me we dont setup for games in the right way. I can probably name about 4 games where we have had a good first half. As many as 4?! I can't think of a single home game where DC hasn't improved us with either a formation change or substitution. Thinking about it a bit more you are probably right, I was being way too generous!! Scunthorpe away, then...err..
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Post by Okebournegas on Nov 20, 2016 22:54:23 GMT
My brother's plumber's wife's masseuse reckons DC's deliberately losing a few because Wael has told him not to get into the Championship until the stadium is underway. Just passing it on. How is juan ? Bloody good masseuse is our juan
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Nov 20, 2016 23:29:15 GMT
Because if we started every home game with an attacking lineup in a 4-4-2 it automatically = us taking the lead in games? Also if we started with 4-4-2 all the time then opposition managers would come to the Mem with a plan to combat it every game - whereas at the moment they can't come up with tactics to face us with any certainty of what shape we will put out. People seem to forget there's two sides that play in every match and the way both sides set up has a direct impact on the success (or otherwise) of the game plan of the opposition. IMO we aren't good enough at this level to say 'let's just start 442 every match and impose our game on them and blow them away lads'.Keep them guessing. I'm not saying that, I simply think we should play our best players in their best positions with the most effective formation.I wont worry if the opposition manager knows how we will setup because our players are capable of winning promotion from this league. Maybe DC had the start vs MK Dons in mind from the away game and setup a bit negatively (eg Clarke and Beard starting together). The 2nd sentence ive marked in bold is pretty much exactly what I would do. You wont win them all but to me that's the best way to play with the players available. DC has the uncanny ability to read the games and change it for the better, but the fact he has to change it for the better tells me we dont setup for games in the right way. I can probably name about 4 games where we have had a good first half. Surely that's what DC is doing (or tries to do)? I can't imagine he sits down to work out his tactics for the next fixture and thinks 'I won't play my best players in their best positions for this one'? And who's to say what our most effective formation is? DC seems to have done a pretty good job getting that right for each game since he's been here. As for saying it's the best way to play with the players available, surely DC would do that if that were the case? He knows far more about football than you or I and watches our players day in day out - which we don't. I'm 100% sure that if DC thought we would be more successful setting out in a 4-4-2 every game at home than changing it up then he would do that, so there's obviously a reason (or a number of reasons) why that isn't how he operates. Perhaps he doesn't rate the current wingers we have at the club and will target that area for improvement in January or next summer? And I don't think your last sentence is right. I think DC uses changing our system and bringing on fresh legs as one of our main weapons to win matches. It seems to me like we purposely set up to be solid for at least the first half, then usually throw on more attacking players at some point during the 2nd half and change the system to give the opposition new problems to deal with. I think he often changes it in the 2nd half because it's part of his tactical plan, rather than him getting it wrong from the start.
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Post by faggotygas on Nov 21, 2016 9:12:49 GMT
Have to say it is a sad state of affairs if your best players (or any Professional players from that point of view) have not renewed their batteries after 3 days rest. How do people not get this simple equation?
Able to play a game of football - yes. Able to play at maximum performance level - probably not, but it depends on the particular player.
Look at any athletic activity, and you'll see that fatigue management is massively important. Runners have always tapered before a race, for example, and pick and choose the races that they want to target, over 1 year and 4 year cycles.
After winning the 5000m final in the Rio olympics, Mo farah said, "My legs were a bit tired after the 10k, I don't now how I recovered". But this was a full 7 days after winning the 10k! How could his legs be tired! Pathetic!
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Post by faggotygas on Nov 21, 2016 9:15:05 GMT
lots of people have clamoured for us to start with colkett,boateng and clarke-salter yet when he does just that people are baffled and say hes picked a weak team??? weird Exactly, it was hardly a weak team.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Nov 21, 2016 10:58:16 GMT
Have to say it is a sad state of affairs if your best players (or any Professional players from that point of view) have not renewed their batteries after 3 days rest. How do people not get this simple equation?
Able to play a game of football - yes. Able to play at maximum performance level - probably not, but it depends on the particular player.
Look at any athletic activity, and you'll see that fatigue management is massively important. Runners have always tapered before a race, for example, and pick and choose the races that they want to target, over 1 year and 4 year cycles.
After winning the 5000m final in the Rio olympics, Mo farah said, "My legs were a bit tired after the 10k, I don't now how I recovered". But this was a full 7 days after winning the 10k! How could his legs be tired! Pathetic!
Bang on. Saying 'they had 3 days rest, how could they be tired?' is a massively outdated view on elite level fitness and performance. There's not a lot between most teams in this league, so it's all about marginal gains to give you that slight advantage - hence why DC now has a team of nutritionists, fitness coaches etc. behind him. All of MK Dons' players had a week's rest before Saturday, and the likes of Taylor, Gaffney and Lines had played 120 minutes of football on the Tuesday. There's a reason why the Premier League teams in the Champions League struggle to win on the weekend after playing a European fixture in midweek - it makes a difference (no matter how small).
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Post by tinner on Nov 21, 2016 12:26:52 GMT
Because if we started every home game with an attacking lineup in a 4-4-2 it automatically = us taking the lead in games? Also if we started with 4-4-2 all the time then opposition managers would come to the Mem with a plan to combat it every game - whereas at the moment they can't come up with tactics to face us with any certainty of what shape we will put out. People seem to forget there's two sides that play in every match and the way both sides set up has a direct impact on the success (or otherwise) of the game plan of the opposition. IMO we aren't good enough at this level to say 'let's just start 442 every match and impose our game on them and blow them away lads'.Keep them guessing. I'm not saying that, I simply think we should play our best players in their best positions with the most effective formation. I wont worry if the opposition manager knows how we will setup because our players are capable of winning promotion from this league. Maybe DC had the start vs MK Dons in mind from the away game and setup a bit negatively (eg Clarke and Beard starting together). The 2nd sentence ive marked in bold is pretty much exactly what I would do. You wont win them all but to me that's the best way to play with the players available. DC has the uncanny ability to read the games and change it for the better, but the fact he has to change it for the better tells me we dont setup for games in the right way. I can probably name about 4 games where we have had a good first half. So never mind the fact that DC's approach has gained us B2B promotions, and leaves us handily placed in LG1, lets rip it up and just play 4 4 2. I generally dispair of some people on here....MK Dons looked a decent side, and on balance, I for one was happy with a draw...........but no, despite universally everyone agreeing that a mid table finish this season would be great.......the moment we fail to win a game, you have the usual suspects moaning about making too many changes!!
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