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Post by patchwaygas on Jan 15, 2017 10:18:16 GMT
I agree that Tom will go on and be a good player at this level, but he's been struggling this season. He came into the side at the same time as Ollie Clarke and has stayed in the team ever since, whereas Ollie has been in and out of the side, but Ollie is becoming our best and most consistent player. Problem is we have no back up for Tom to be able to rest him.
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Post by gasheadbatesy on Jan 15, 2017 11:24:23 GMT
If our keepers have cost us 10+ Pts, I believe Lockyer has cost us 10+ pts. He causes some debate in my house. Get him out the team or at least take that pointless captaincy of him. Why do you even need a captain in football. Hartley is the defense organiser when he plays. Speak up Thomas. We can't hear you.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 15, 2017 11:36:34 GMT
I said this months ago and got shot down for it. Tom is an excellent player and will only get better but he needs a rest and the captaincy taken off him. He's stepped up massively over the past couple of years and I have no doubt he'll be a very good league 1 defender and better in the future but for now he needs to be taken out of the team for his sake. I can't see he was at fault for the first two and playing 3 at the back was always going to leave him exposed for the third. Once we have a decent goalie, Leads or Partington at RB plus a new CH or Partington, we can then see if Locks is still the weak link but Brown could well then be found wanting.
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 15, 2017 12:14:25 GMT
I said this months ago and got shot down for it. Tom is an excellent player and will only get better but he needs a rest and the captaincy taken off him. He's stepped up massively over the past couple of years and I have no doubt he'll be a very good league 1 defender and better in the future but for now he needs to be taken out of the team for his sake. Not sure your perfectly valid analysis was shot down - maybe more that some maybe held a different view? I find that black & white thinking / phrases dominate forums a bit too much. And remember that not everyone posts, so there were probably some head nods at home. I digress. Many would agree with some of your idea although 1 ) tom was most probably given the captaincy because he was a central defender who was in the pitch pretty much every minute, and not many central players were guaranteed pitch time. Captains tend to come from the spine of a team. Not convinced Lines or Taylor would be quite right for the job. Can't give it to loanees. So not many to choose from. 2) agree to change captain but not necessarily to drop him- surely 1 can be tried without having to do both?
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 15, 2017 12:24:00 GMT
Interesting that Lee Brown is now coping some flak.
I know I'm a bit biased but I do find the consistent same megative player report in steve's match report every week (almost like a cut & paste job) rather disconcerting.
LB always cops more flak than the right back does. Is it a coincidence that the right back (whoever they have been, from locks in conference onwards) gets a relatively easy ride despite offering very few assists or goals, whereas LB has contributed massive amount of goals & assists. Any chance that he's usually the more attacking of the two (except sometimes when leads is on the other side) so defensively can get caught out?
Brings to mind an African proverb - "not even the cleverest monkey can climb two trees at once"
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Post by gasincider on Jan 15, 2017 12:24:39 GMT
I said this months ago and got shot down for it. Tom is an excellent player and will only get better but he needs a rest and the captaincy taken off him. He's stepped up massively over the past couple of years and I have no doubt he'll be a very good league 1 defender and better in the future but for now he needs to be taken out of the team for his sake. I can't see he was at fault for the first two and playing 3 at the back was always going to leave him exposed for the third. Once we have a decent goalie, Leads or Partington at RB plus a new CH or Partington, we can then see if Locks is still the weak link but Brown could well then be found wanting. Lockyer has to give up the captaincy, but Brown is already a weak link. He was poor again yesterday, but as the rest were as well, it's not so blatant.
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Post by gaffers on Jan 15, 2017 13:16:43 GMT
Yesssssss , we've found our new scapegoat ! 11 posts says it all... I love the fact as soon as someone has an opinion of what their thinking and feeling about a player or formation certain people on here think your picking on someone or blaming him for a loss etc!!!! That's what this site is for...fans opinions and how they feel about the club or manager or players...if they didn't put how they honestly felt then you might as well shut it down... Football is a business to the players manager and chairman and if someone isn't pulling their weight or meeting expectations then their dropped or laid off!! Always the structure in any walk of life... Everyone gets carried away dreaming players have done their bit for the club to get them where we are now and they have done 10 fold but if their not up to it consistently then it's time for them to be dropped and it isn't their god given right to be picked because they've been part of our promotions... I don't think anyone here is blaming just one person for goals or losses...their just expressing their opinion!
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Post by gaffers on Jan 15, 2017 13:28:52 GMT
If our keepers have cost us 10+ Pts, I believe Lockyer has cost us 10+ pts. He causes some debate in my house. Get him out the team or at least take that pointless captaincy of him. Why do you even need a captain in football. Hartley is the defense organiser when he plays. Speak up Thomas. We can't hear you. I should imagine Darryl first and foremost is shocked by the form of tom this year...I'm very shocked how he hasn't performed to his level he played last year...his player awareness of who he's marking/his aerial quality and his constant thumping the ball back to the opposition after everyone working hard to get it back or retain it is beyond me...I'm hoping it's a bad patch but it has been going on for a while...I don't think the captaincy hasn't helped him and he needs to be dropped the same as lines/Roos/Ollie Clarke/gaffney etc have been if their form has dipped...but I wouldn't blame him for defeats as it's not as if everyone else has been playing to their own good levels.. We miss leads in my opinion...is he injured?
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Post by gasheadbatesy on Jan 15, 2017 13:38:00 GMT
Leads is a big miss. Hobbled off at charlton. He could hardly walk so looks like a long lay off for him. His pace alone gets defenders on the back foot. His defensive play is sound in my opinion just needs to get better deliveries in the box.
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Post by baggins on Jan 15, 2017 13:55:04 GMT
I've always thought Tom puts in a 100% shift every game.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 15, 2017 14:28:12 GMT
I think Lockyer is under a lot of pressure this season. Stepping up a league, and captaining a side for the first time, whilst still being young, has put him under a lot of strain.
The captaincy needs to go somewhere more vocal, and Lockyer needs to feel the heat of someone chomping at the bit to take his place who would be worthy of time on the pitch. An extra CB, the arrival of Partington and the returns further down the line of Clarke-Salter and Hartley should do the job nicely. The extra CB could do with being someone who could cover and provide competition for Lee Brown as there are a lot of goals coming in from his side of the pitch.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 15, 2017 14:28:33 GMT
I think Lockyer is under a lot of pressure this season. Stepping up a league, and captaining a side for the first time, whilst still being young, has put him under a lot of strain. The captaincy needs to go somewhere more vocal, and Lockyer needs to feel the heat of someone chomping at the bit to take his place who would be worthy of time on the pitch. An extra CB, the arrival of Partington and the returns further down the line of Clarke-Salter and Hartley should do the job nicely. The extra CB could do with being someone who could cover and provide competition for Lee Brown as there are a lot of goals coming in from his side of the pitch. To add, taking a new GK as a given.
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Post by STRONG,SECURE, STABLE on Jan 15, 2017 18:07:26 GMT
players have 15-20 year careers, tom is very very young and he is entering a new level, players develop but people jump to conclusions so quickly! there is no doubt in my mind that tom will play in the championship minimum at some stage in his career, and i for one would rather than be with us than sell him as some suggest and lose out on a very talented player
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Post by STRONG,SECURE, STABLE on Jan 15, 2017 18:15:07 GMT
players have 15-20 year careers, tom is very very young and early in this process, players develop and improve and adapt, tom is nowhere close to where he will be at his peak. i have no doubt in my mind that he will play in at minimum the championship, in fact id put a five figure bet on it if i could. to suggest we should give up on him and sell him as some have is baffling. over the next 3 or 4 seasons he will become a defensive behemoth and i would much rather him in blue and white than playing for another team.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 18:18:26 GMT
Interesting that Lee Brown is now coping some flak. I know I'm a bit biased but I do find the consistent same megative player report in steve's match report every week (almost like a cut & paste job) rather disconcerting. LB always cops more flak than the right back does. Is it a coincidence that the right back (whoever they have been, from locks in conference onwards) gets a relatively easy ride despite offering very few assists or goals, whereas LB has contributed massive amount of goals & assists. Any chance that he's usually the more attacking of the two (except sometimes when leads is on the other side) so defensively can get caught out? Brings to mind an African proverb - "not even the cleverest monkey can climb two trees at once" I've said it before, and ill say it again. How can one man keep an eye on 11 positions for 90 minutes? Surely when your watching the right back you cant see what the left midfielder is doing, etc etc? When your watching Gaffs running into the corner chasing a ball down, how do you know how Browner is getting on at left back?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 15, 2017 19:11:04 GMT
All those posters calling for Locks to be replaced as captain who do they feel should replace him? Apart from defenders the only obvious choice is Lines but he's never seemed captain material, if we look at other defenders only McChrystal looks a contender, however, he's not guaranteed a 1st team place and was stripped of the captaincy in the summer. With Hartley out injured and Partington only here 5 mins you can hardly be made captain this season?
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Post by Nortongashead on Jan 15, 2017 21:29:15 GMT
No doubt Tom has struggled at times, but I also think as a team our defending has left us overly exposed. This season is a sink or swim season for many of the squad. Tom will be fine as he is man enough to put on the armband in poor form. He is mature beyond his years and has done so well for us. He deserves a bit of slack in a transitional season for the squad. Form is temporary class is permanent.
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Post by Okebournegas on Jan 15, 2017 21:35:08 GMT
No doubt Tom has struggled at times, but I also think as a team our defending has left us overly exposed. This season is a sink or swim season for many of the squad. Tom will be fine as he is man enough to put on the armband in poor form. He is mature beyond his years and has done so well for us. He deserves a bit of slack in a transitional season for the squad. Form is temporary class is permanent. Well said
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 15, 2017 22:18:30 GMT
No doubt Tom has struggled at times, but I also think as a team our defending has left us overly exposed. This season is a sink or swim season for many of the squad. Tom will be fine as he is man enough to put on the armband in poor form. He is mature beyond his years and has done so well for us. He deserves a bit of slack in a transitional season for the squad. Form is temporary class is permanent. The first two goals on Saturday were from a free kick and a corner as was the case with the first two at Charlton, that's got nothing to with our defence being overly exposed ? The last one a bit of an embarrassment for Locks but the game was probably lost by then anyway. I can't imagine Parkes was poorly paid so why didn't DC just take his wage add a bit more to it and get in a decent Div 1 CH in the summer as I doubt Hartly was any better paid than Parkes would have been if had stayed at the club.
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Post by Nortongashead on Jan 15, 2017 22:28:53 GMT
No doubt Tom has struggled at times, but I also think as a team our defending has left us overly exposed. This season is a sink or swim season for many of the squad. Tom will be fine as he is man enough to put on the armband in poor form. He is mature beyond his years and has done so well for us. He deserves a bit of slack in a transitional season for the squad. Form is temporary class is permanent. The first two goals on Saturday were from a free kick and a corner as was the case with the first two at Charlton, that's got nothing to with our defence being overly exposed ? The last one a bit of an embarrassment for Locks but the game was probably lost by then anyway. I can't imagine Parkes was poorly paid so why didn't DC just take his wage add a bit more to it and get in a decent Div 1 CH in the summer as I doubt Hartly was any better paid than Parkes would have been if had stayed at the club. It was a generalization, have a day off mate.
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