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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 16, 2017 6:14:49 GMT
players have 15-20 year careers, tom is very very young and early in this process, players develop and improve and adapt, tom is nowhere close to where he will be at his peak. i have no doubt in my mind that he will play in at minimum the championship, in fact id put a five figure bet on it if i could. to suggest we should give up on him and sell him as some have is baffling. over the next 3 or 4 seasons he will become a defensive behemoth and i would much rather him in blue and white than playing for another team. Why not put a 3 figure bet on it then or however much you have?
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Post by singupgas on Jan 16, 2017 6:25:43 GMT
Agree with Ryanpullen. Tom just needs a rest, if were to get rid of him then I'd be very disappointed in the club. the lad is practically one of our own. I think he has great future at the club.
From development perspective we need to bring in experienced (not 30 year old plus) but some defenders who are recognised as being good at this level that Tom can learn from.
Let's be honest at the moment we aren't being that ambitious in terms of people we sign.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 16, 2017 6:53:59 GMT
Agree with Ryanpullen. Tom just needs a rest, if were to get rid of him then I'd be very disappointed in the club. the lad is practically one of our own. I think he has great future at the club. From development perspective we need to bring in experienced (not 30 year old plus) but some defenders who are recognised as being good at this level that Tom can learn from. Let's be honest at the moment we aren't being that ambitious in terms of people we sign.I don't know what you are expecting/want at this stage? I feel like people want to see us splashing the cash for the sake of it (which has no guarantee of working and is high risk as we are not Championship ready at the moment IMO).
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Post by peterhooper57 on Jan 16, 2017 7:07:19 GMT
The fact of the matter is we are shipping far too many goals, IMO our goalkeepers this season have been shocking, defenders need to be able to rely on the goalkeeper, they cant; Tom Lockyer has struggled from when he got took apart at Chelsea (no shame there) through to the second goal at home to posh. He is good football a nice chap but not a captain, his height at times lets him down; definitely, stays in the team but not as captain for me. If DC does not sort out the defence, including the goalkeeper, then we are unlikely to win many games away from home for the rest of the season.
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Post by philbemmygas on Jan 16, 2017 7:55:13 GMT
All those posters calling for Locks to be replaced as captain who do they feel should replace him? Apart from defenders the only obvious choice is Lines but he's never seemed captain material, if we look at other defenders only McChrystal looks a contender, however, he's not guaranteed a 1st team place and was stripped of the captaincy in the summer. With Hartley out injured and Partington only here 5 mins you can hardly be made captain this season? Topper, you say Chris Lines doesn't look Capt material. I sort of agree with you but remember Paul Buckle made him Capt in the pre-season friendly just before his transfer, admittedly buckle wasn't a particulary good manager but he obviously saw leadership in there somewhere. Tom has had some great games and some not so great games, he is settled with the club so constant negativity about the bloke will not help him or the team. Onwards to Warsaw next Saturday, last 3 trips I have made there saw a nil-nil, a big win & a big loss. Would probably take another nil-nil at this stage, followed by thumping swindle the following Saturday. Come on you BLUES
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Post by socrates on Jan 16, 2017 8:38:48 GMT
I can't see he was at fault for the first two and playing 3 at the back was always going to leave him exposed for the third. Once we have a decent goalie, Leads or Partington at RB plus a new CH or Partington, we can then see if Locks is still the weak link but Brown could well then be found wanting. Lockyer has to give up the captaincy, but Brown is already a weak link. He was poor again yesterday, but as the rest were as well, it's not so blatant. Brown has always been too slow at getting tight to his winger and guilty of letting them get crosses in. He's also always been great at giving us width on the ball his crossing is fantastic and he is usually involved in our goals. You can't have it all I suppose. It seems to me that our main problem defensively is dealing with those crosses in to our box and that goes for open play , corners , free kicks everything. We just don't seem to pick up the runs and so often we've got enough players in the box to be able to deal with it but they're not positioned right , no one takes the responsibility in the way Elliot and Tilson have in the past and it results in one or more players hsving a free header or shot. I think we'll see our new signing replace Mc Crystal over the next couple of games and hopefully a tall commanding experienced keeper who will control his defence in the manner we so desperately need. Then hopefully we'll start to deal with those crosses that are costing us so badly.
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Post by yategas78 on Jan 16, 2017 20:34:33 GMT
Praying for a new Keeper!!
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 16, 2017 21:00:44 GMT
Lockyer has to give up the captaincy, but Brown is already a weak link. He was poor again yesterday, but as the rest were as well, it's not so blatant. Brown has always been too slow at getting tight to his winger and guilty of letting them get crosses in. He's also always been great at giving us width on the ball his crossing is fantastic and he is usually involved in our goals. You can't have it all I suppose. It seems to me that our main problem defensively is dealing with those crosses in to our box and that goes for open play , corners , free kicks everything. We just don't seem to pick up the runs and so often we've got enough players in the box to be able to deal with it but they're not positioned right , no one takes the responsibility in the way Elliot and Tilson have in the past and it results in one or more players hsving a free header or shot. I think we'll see our new signing replace Mc Crystal over the next couple of games and hopefully a tall commanding experienced keeper who will control his defence in the manner we so desperately need. Then hopefully we'll start to deal with those crosses that are costing us so badly. Not sure Partington is the commanding defender we really needed, it seems at Bournemouth he was a box to box CM then at Eastleigh mainly used at RB, I can't see on that basis he's going to be the next Elliot, probably more likely the new balling playing Lockyer! Perhaps DC as him lined up as our next RB or he's now going to start playing 3 at the back out of Partington, Locks, JC & JCS?
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 16, 2017 21:14:04 GMT
I don't see as many games as many on here but from seeing the games this year it seems to me that our two full backs Leads and Lee B are both better at attacking rather than defending and playing a better class of attacker this year has seen more crosses come into the box. Neither have ever been good at getting tight to wingers and it's become more apparent in this division. This has put our CBs including whoever has partnered Tom L under more pressure. Put that with the fact that Tom has had 2/3 very poor games has put him under more pressure than last year. I remember in the Conference Tom was criticised heavily for his poor passing and distribution but that has improved. It's not being complacent but until we have better options to replace Tom I hope DC keeps picking him. If and when we sign an improvement then it may be different. Basic principle is we always choose our best players and at the moment TL is one of those. When he's not it will be different. That he is one of our best players is of course only my opinion!! UTG!
ps would have described Joe P more of a defensive midfielder not a box to box midfielder from what I remember and that's why Eddie H turned him into a defender before he left.
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 17, 2017 12:06:00 GMT
Interesting that Lee Brown is now coping some flak. I know I'm a bit biased but I do find the consistent same megative player report in steve's match report every week (almost like a cut & paste job) rather disconcerting. LB always cops more flak than the right back does. Is it a coincidence that the right back (whoever they have been, from locks in conference onwards) gets a relatively easy ride despite offering very few assists or goals, whereas LB has contributed massive amount of goals & assists. Any chance that he's usually the more attacking of the two (except sometimes when leads is on the other side) so defensively can get caught out? Brings to mind an African proverb - "not even the cleverest monkey can climb two trees at once" I've said it before, and ill say it again. How can one man keep an eye on 11 positions for 90 minutes? Surely when your watching the right back you cant see what the left midfielder is doing, etc etc? When your watching Gaffs running into the corner chasing a ball down, how do you know how Browner is getting on at left back? exactly. which is why games are filmed and watched quite a few times after. and why analysts are employed. and stats are used. and the manger watches videos of the oppo games. and on and on. as much as I like 'match reports' from anyone I take them with a pinch of salt. and I also know my rubbish view from the Blackthorn is not the one analysts would use
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 17, 2017 12:09:31 GMT
Brown has always been too slow at getting tight to his winger and guilty of letting them get crosses in. He's also always been great at giving us width on the ball his crossing is fantastic and he is usually involved in our goals. You can't have it all I suppose. It seems to me that our main problem defensively is dealing with those crosses in to our box and that goes for open play , corners , free kicks everything. We just don't seem to pick up the runs and so often we've got enough players in the box to be able to deal with it but they're not positioned right , no one takes the responsibility in the way Elliot and Tilson have in the past and it results in one or more players hsving a free header or shot. I think we'll see our new signing replace Mc Crystal over the next couple of games and hopefully a tall commanding experienced keeper who will control his defence in the manner we so desperately need. Then hopefully we'll start to deal with those crosses that are costing us so badly. Not sure Partington is the commanding defender we really needed, it seems at Bournemouth he was a box to box CM then at Eastleigh mainly used at RB, I can't see on that basis he's going to be the next Elliot, probably more likely the new balling playing Lockyer! Perhaps DC as him lined up as our next RB or he's now going to start playing 3 at the back out of Partington, Locks, JC & JCS? Judging purely on his current body shape I'd imagine he'd struggle as a box-to-box MF, and also possibly as a RB. His physique suggests centre back or DM, with a handy amount of height and bulk for setpieces in both boxes.
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Post by William Wilson on Jan 17, 2017 18:14:54 GMT
Lockyer is a terrific defender, but he can`t do it all. He doesn`t need a rest, he needs a commanding centre half alongside him. Hartley ( for all the goals he scores ) is poor defensively. In the air, against League One forwards? Forget it. Even against non league Barrow, he scarcely won a header all game. McChrystal is better, but still not good enough at this level. A decent keeper, and a commanding CH, and a play off place is not beyond the bounds of possibility.
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Post by milesy83 on Jan 17, 2017 18:25:26 GMT
Problem with Lockyer at the moment is as soon as he gets the ball,majority of the time it's hoofed back up field to there keeper. To many misplaced passes at the back. I think we need a need centre half to partner Hartley.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 18:38:12 GMT
Problem with Lockyer at the moment is as soon as he gets the ball,majority of the time it's hoofed back up field to there keeper. To many misplaced passes at the back. I think we need a need centre half to partner Hartley. "Problem with Lockyer at the moment is as soon as he gets the ball,majority of the time it's hoofed back up field to there keeper." Funny how 2 people can see a game completely different.
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Post by quarters on Jan 18, 2017 17:52:20 GMT
Lets just get rid of him all together. He had been brilliant for me on FIFA and then decided to demand a transfer! Buggered off to Birmingham. I had to sign Micah Richards as a replacement! Perhaps we could do that in the real world eh?............
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Post by yategas78 on Jan 18, 2017 19:30:17 GMT
Tom Who??
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