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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 8:38:34 GMT
If Le Pen wins it may mean no Brexit negotiations (as such) as the EU will probably crumble. Another shooting in Paris last night. Will this push voters towards Le Pen?  |
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Post by William Wilson on Apr 22, 2017 7:07:07 GMT
Both the far left, Melenchon, and the far right, Le Pen, want France out of the EU.
Would deffo prefer the latter, but either would do nicely.
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 24, 2017 11:51:15 GMT
So it's Macron vs Le Pen.
Not surprised personally, will be interesting to see how the supporters of the losing candidates now vote. Some commentators are saying the young are LePen supporters which may bring her to power, if they are prepared to vote and lukewarm Macron supporters may stay at home.
Interesting times.
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Post by baggins on Apr 24, 2017 12:29:00 GMT
So it's Macron vs Le Pen. Not surprised personally, will be interesting to see how the supporters of the losing candidates now vote. Some commentators are saying the young are LePen supporters which may bring her to power, if they are prepared to vote and lukewarm Macron supporters may stay at home. Interesting times. This morning, most showing support for Macron. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 24, 2017 12:37:54 GMT
So it's Macron vs Le Pen. Not surprised personally, will be interesting to see how the supporters of the losing candidates now vote. Some commentators are saying the young are LePen supporters which may bring her to power, if they are prepared to vote and lukewarm Macron supporters may stay at home. Interesting times. This morning, most showing support for Macron. I would be very surprised if he didn't win, I'd expect a 60/40 split. |
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Post by baggins on Apr 24, 2017 12:41:04 GMT
This morning, most showing support for Macron. I would be very surprised if he didn't win, I'd expect a 60/40 split. Thank God. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 24, 2017 12:45:44 GMT
I would be very surprised if he didn't win, I'd expect a 60/40 split. Thank God. Agreed, it would be funny for a bit especially from a French bashing point of view, but realpolitik means we would be better off with Macron. |
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Post by baggins on Apr 24, 2017 13:02:15 GMT
Agreed, it would be funny for a bit especially from a French bashing point of view, but realpolitik means we would be better off with Macron. Do we need to worry or bother seeing as we (and I use we to make my point easier) voted out? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 24, 2017 13:11:44 GMT
Hard to say, but I would think a more stable EU would be preferable whilst negotiating rather than one thrown into chaos. Also, Le Pen has doubts over NATO and would be on Putin's Christmas card list.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 24, 2017 13:24:04 GMT
Hard to say, but I would think a more stable EU would be preferable whilst negotiating rather than one thrown into chaos. Also, Le Pen has doubts over NATO and would be on Putin's Christmas card list. Given America's....ahem, family friendly history in foreign policy are we sure Putin is the bad guy? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 24, 2017 13:31:55 GMT
Hard to say, but I would think a more stable EU would be preferable whilst negotiating rather than one thrown into chaos. Also, Le Pen has doubts over NATO and would be on Putin's Christmas card list. Given America's....ahem, family friendly history in foreign policy are we sure Putin is the bad guy? Putin is an opportunist, so any division can be to his advantage. In answer to your question, I have no doubt his views are, shall we say, at odds with ours. They occasionally dovetail but not much. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 15:44:56 GMT
Hard to say, but I would think a more stable EU would be preferable whilst negotiating rather than one thrown into chaos. Also, Le Pen has doubts over NATO and would be on Putin's Christmas card list. Given America's....ahem, family friendly history in foreign policy are we sure Putin is the bad guy? Probably one of the most interesting questions ever put to this forum ! Syria - I'll put it that Putin is the only foreign leader with a plan. Let me explain. All sides in Syria are bad. There is no 'good guy bad guy' scenario. So, Putin has supported Assad. Why did he do this? Well, Syria under Assad were no threat to anyone else (apart from Lebenon). ISIS would eventually threaten Russia if they were not checked/beaten, so Putin supports Assad to beat ISIS. Once ISIS are beaten, then it will be easy for Russia to deal with Assad. It really is that simple. You cannot go into Syria and fight everyone. Eventually one side will win, and you have to decide which group you would rather deal with afterwards. Assad is a bastard, but he's Syria's bastard. ISIS are bastards, but they want to spread death and destruction around the world. Putin has made a decision, and acted on that. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 20:01:26 GMT
I also think the French should prepare themselves for another terrorist attack before the Presidential elections.
The beardy, sweaty, rapey, shouty types from the religion of peace would actually prefer Le Pen to win because they want the conflict.
Another terrorist attack will push voters towards her.....although I hate to say it.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 24, 2017 20:33:46 GMT
Well she's no longer in the National Front.
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 24, 2017 22:03:55 GMT
Given America's....ahem, family friendly history in foreign policy are we sure Putin is the bad guy? Probably one of the most interesting questions ever put to this forum ! Syria - I'll put it that Putin is the only foreign leader with a plan. Let me explain. All sides in Syria are bad. There is no 'good guy bad guy' scenario. So, Putin has supported Assad. Why did he do this? Well, Syria under Assad were no threat to anyone else (apart from Lebenon). ISIS would eventually threaten Russia if they were not checked/beaten, so Putin supports Assad to beat ISIS. Once ISIS are beaten, then it will be easy for Russia to deal with Assad. It really is that simple. You cannot go into Syria and fight everyone. Eventually one side will win, and you have to decide which group you would rather deal with afterwards. Assad is a bastard, but he's Syria's bastard. ISIS are bastards, but they want to spread death and destruction around the world. Putin has made a decision, and acted on that. Partly agree with that. Putin is in Syria for more than ISIS though. If it was just them then there would be more integration with the US whereas at the moment it is just a deconfliction agreement, and that is under pressure after Trump's attack. Russian support is directed at the north mainly which incorporates many groups, not all are ISIS or Al Nusra (an Al Qaida affiliate who are actually anti ISIS) but includes the Free Syrian Army and Syrian Kurds. They are attacking anyone who is anti Assad. It is also there for strategic reasons, they have an airbase and naval facilities which they want to retain and under Assad they are a client state. Add in Shia Iran's support for Assad against Sunnis backed by Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states you have a nasty mess. |
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Post by baggins on Apr 25, 2017 10:53:17 GMT
Well she's no longer in the National Front. Splitter. |
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