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Post by gaelgas on May 13, 2017 13:03:01 GMT
Its a difficult one for me. Im only 31 so have never witnessed rovers with a decent stadium. But at the same time theres just something about the mem and i prefered the refurb the mem option to the uwe option. Funny thing is i was showing my welsh mates the compilation of bodins goals and they all commented on the roar when a goal goes in and how amazing the atmosphere is. They even went as far as to say they would rather be back at ninian park over where they are now. Yes its a shambles at the moment but we could make it so special. A real home! Not an identikit 'insert name here' stadium I'm 50 and I've never seen Rovers play in a decent (home) stadium, in all honesty have any of us? When was Eastville a good, state of the art stadium? Before all our times I should think. Only the question posed, it's a 10 for me, the Mem is not fit for purpose, BCC will never let us expand it to the potential size we can build at the UWE. In addition, I honestly can't see anywhere other than the UWE getting off the ground in the next 10 years.
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Post by chippenhamgas on May 13, 2017 13:05:36 GMT
Nothing to do with the council, we have achieved planning permission for two stadium projects and also highly questionable permission for a supermarket on the mem. The problem is no matter who is in charge, our inability to complete the project based on the amount of money required. Bristol arena, Ashton vale and us, 3 white elephants where a competent amount of foresight and backbone from the council wouldn't have killed those plans dead. It should be in their interest to assist the build of large schemes for the good of the city. Why should the council financially assist us to build a stadium? The arena is a different argument as it will benefit the whole community. City built their stadium in the end, almost to the same spec as Aston vale, the only thing stopping us building it is ourselves, we have no-one else to blame.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 13, 2017 13:18:36 GMT
Sincerely, can someone set me straight on why we can't redevelop the Mem? (Sorry if this is well documented and a bore for some). I moved back to Bristol in 2012 after many years abroad and have been loving it back at the Mem. Like the majority of people on this thread, it seems to me inevitable that despite the growth potential afforded by a move to the UWE, the matchday experience would inevitably suffer. No more standing (unless safe standing is adopted); no Glos Rd/chippies/Sporty/Annex/Vic etc etc on the doorstep, miles from town, bowl without atmosphere. Ask yourself whether you prefer the matchday experience at (say) Newport or Oxford. The latter is for me devoid of any sense of occasion or romance or excitement. There also seems to be a majority on this thread that thinks that losing this is a price worth paying - fair enough, I get the bold 'I say we fly to the moon' agenda even if I'm not 100% on board. What I'm unsure of is why (with Mustafa Millions at the helm) we can't afford a substantial tart-up and expansion of the Mem site. I have heard estimates that 19k+ could be accommodated if capacity were optimised. Not big enough? Insurmountable logistics? Thanks for any knowledge. Parking. Lights. Noise. Hight of new buildings overlooking residential properties. Lack of revenue streams (the most obvious being a car park. Cost.
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Post by gonzales on May 13, 2017 13:30:13 GMT
]I don't like the copycat bowl design of UWE, I don't like the location, and I'll hate having to sit during games (if there's no end where the stewards turn a blind eye to standing, as they do at a lot of all-seater grounds). But we need it. I get that. I echo your sentiments, and go with a 1 too, but here's some hope. I messaged Waq on instagram regarding safe standing and to my surprise he got back to me saying if the authorities approve it then they would look into adopting it.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 13:38:27 GMT
Bristol arena, Ashton vale and us, 3 white elephants where a competent amount of foresight and backbone from the council wouldn't have killed those plans dead. It should be in their interest to assist the build of large schemes for the good of the city. Why should the council financially assist us to build a stadium? The arena is a different argument as it will benefit the whole community. City built their stadium in the end, almost to the same spec as Aston vale, the only thing stopping us building it is ourselves, we have no-one else to blame. Not financially. Can't see what you're arguing with really, just my opinion (which is 100% correct)
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Post by You can call me Al. on May 13, 2017 13:50:01 GMT
Is UWE that important? Well, yes mainly because at present we find ourselves playing our games in a broken down/decaying/out of date place that is literally only fit for one thing - demolition!
However, UWE is gonna cost a bleedin fortune and that is why we have a hold up in my opinion. Yes it will attract more supporters (particularly families), yes it will provide some extra revenue sources and yes it will elevate our position on the football pride ladder. I think maybe the due diligence has been carried out and income streams will improve, but not by as much as many had thought. Taking in the fact we are relying on outside investors to get the thing built i think it may be a long time before it has a hugely beneficial effect on the value/funds of the football team. Which is why all involved are looking at ways to obtain it cheaper.
So, yes we need UWE a bit like you need a new car when your existing one is on its last legs and the shiny new one will make everyone feel good. But what the long term financial effect is on the football club we will have to wait and see. As we all know investments can go down as well as up and this one will be no different.
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Post by titchthephot on May 13, 2017 14:25:57 GMT
I know I am going to get slated for this....but....here goes anyway. Last night my son's team (Ashcott FC) booked Ashton Gate. The kids played a few games then the adults divided into three teams and played three half hour games against each other. They had the presentation in the Sports bar. I haven't been to ground for quite a few years - when it was a dump - but I have to say their revamped ground is bloody impressive. It is a big City ground (city as in town/area etc). They obviously built it for Premiership football. If I were a neutral and had to chance to play football at the Gate or the Mem then it would without doubt be City's ground. This now brings me round to our new owners - who have stated many times that they want to get the infrastructure right. I cannot agree more. It won't happen overnight but a new ground, marketed the right way (for concerts, weddings, parties etc, etc,) nice state of the art bars with large screens able to show live link football, state of the art training facilities ...we would then be able to entice better players, bigger crowds. We are years behind City in that respect. Yes, this season they have had a crap team, a crap manager and an owner whose petty mind thinks it is okay to buy your rivals star striker -not because you needed him but because you wanted to bugger up the Gas's promotion push - but they are building for the future with their ground and I pray that sooner rather than later we will start to catch them up. We will have one major advantage in that we can build our ground from scratch. They have had to update on the hoof. Ollie was right when he said they had three quarters of an impressive ground. The one original stand looks out of place and dated. Ours will be the dogs doodahs! I made sure I wore my Gas tie and one of the lads wore his Rovers shirt in the bar afterwards . Keep the faith...it will happen.
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Post by William Wilson on May 13, 2017 14:57:53 GMT
Sincerely, can someone set me straight on why we can't redevelop the Mem? Parking. Lights. Noise. Hight of new buildings overlooking residential properties. Lack of revenue streams (the most obvious being a car park. Cost. Apart from the parking, the lights, the noise, the height of the new buildings, the lack of revenue and the cost, why can`t we redevelop the Mem?
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Post by Centenary Gas on May 13, 2017 15:00:24 GMT
Sincerely, can someone set me straight on why we can't redevelop the Mem? (Sorry if this is well documented and a bore for some). I moved back to Bristol in 2012 after many years abroad and have been loving it back at the Mem. Like the majority of people on this thread, it seems to me inevitable that despite the growth potential afforded by a move to the UWE, the matchday experience would inevitably suffer. No more standing (unless safe standing is adopted); no Glos Rd/chippies/Sporty/Annex/Vic etc etc on the doorstep, miles from town, bowl without atmosphere. Ask yourself whether you prefer the matchday experience at (say) Newport or Oxford. The latter is for me devoid of any sense of occasion or romance or excitement. There also seems to be a majority on this thread that thinks that losing this is a price worth paying - fair enough, I get the bold 'I say we fly to the moon' agenda even if I'm not 100% on board. What I'm unsure of is why (with Mustafa Millions at the helm) we can't afford a substantial tart-up and expansion of the Mem site. I have heard estimates that 19k+ could be accommodated if capacity were optimised. Not big enough? Insurmountable logistics? Thanks for any knowledge. Not saying I don't prefer the location of the mem, but... 1. Part of the cost of the new stadium is generated by the sale of the land the Mem sits on. 2. The site isn't really big enough, and the surrounding area cannot support it (in terms of car parking) 3. Standing would have to go anyway thanks to our country's stupid laws.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 13, 2017 15:29:45 GMT
I know I am going to get slated for this....but....here goes anyway. Last night my son's team (Ashcott FC) booked Ashton Gate. The kids played a few games then the adults divided into three teams and played three half hour games against each other. They had the presentation in the Sports bar. I haven't been to ground for quite a few years - when it was a dump - but I have to say their revamped ground is bloody impressive. It is a big City ground (city as in town/area etc). They obviously built it for Premiership football. If I were a neutral and had to chance to play football at the Gate or the Mem then it would without doubt be City's ground. This now brings me round to our new owners - who have stated many times that they want to get the infrastructure right. I cannot agree more. It won't happen overnight but a new ground, marketed the right way (for concerts, weddings, parties etc, etc,) nice state of the art bars with large screens able to show live link football, state of the art training facilities ...we would then be able to entice better players, bigger crowds. We are years behind City in that respect. Yes, this season they have had a crap team, a crap manager and an owner whose petty mind thinks it is okay to buy your rivals star striker -not because you needed him but because you wanted to bugger up the Gas's promotion push - but they are building for the future with their ground and I pray that sooner rather than later we will start to catch them up. We will have one major advantage in that we can build our ground from scratch. They have had to update on the hoof. Ollie was right when he said they had three quarters of an impressive ground. The one original stand looks out of place and dated. Ours will be the dogs doodahs! I made sure I wore my Gas tie and one of the lads wore his Rovers shirt in the bar afterwards . Keep the faith...it will happen. Stopped reading at the second line. Shithead Trololol
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Post by Topper Gas on May 13, 2017 15:40:12 GMT
Parking. Lights. Noise. Hight of new buildings overlooking residential properties. Lack of revenue streams (the most obvious being a car park. Cost. Apart from the parking, the lights, the noise, the height of the new buildings, the lack of revenue and the cost, why can`t we redevelop the Mem? Apart from location does anybody see the advantage of trying to fit a 20K+ stadium on a site which simply isn't big enough? What happens if we do get to the Premiership having spent £20/30 million on rebuilding the Mem but then realise we need a 30K+ stadium? Even if the Mem was consider viable how would we get pp, finance the build and where would we play whilst the Mem is rebuilt, most likely Swindon or Cardiff are the only nearby stadiums which can hold 10K+? As regards the UWE being a soul less strile new stadium why would a redeveloped Mem be anything different, but isn't a ground what you make it, look at Leicester's and Brighton's as proof of that.
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Post by titchthephot on May 13, 2017 19:05:40 GMT
I know I am going to get slated for this....but....here goes anyway. Last night my son's team (Ashcott FC) booked Ashton Gate. The kids played a few games then the adults divided into three teams and played three half hour games against each other. They had the presentation in the Sports bar. I haven't been to ground for quite a few years - when it was a dump - but I have to say their revamped ground is bloody impressive. It is a big City ground (city as in town/area etc). They obviously built it for Premiership football. If I were a neutral and had to chance to play football at the Gate or the Mem then it would without doubt be City's ground. This now brings me round to our new owners - who have stated many times that they want to get the infrastructure right. I cannot agree more. It won't happen overnight but a new ground, marketed the right way (for concerts, weddings, parties etc, etc,) nice state of the art bars with large screens able to show live link football, state of the art training facilities ...we would then be able to entice better players, bigger crowds. We are years behind City in that respect. Yes, this season they have had a crap team, a crap manager and an owner whose petty mind thinks it is okay to buy your rivals star striker -not because you needed him but because you wanted to bugger up the Gas's promotion push - but they are building for the future with their ground and I pray that sooner rather than later we will start to catch them up. We will have one major advantage in that we can build our ground from scratch. They have had to update on the hoof. Ollie was right when he said they had three quarters of an impressive ground. The one original stand looks out of place and dated. Ours will be the dogs doodahs! I made sure I wore my Gas tie and one of the lads wore his Rovers shirt in the bar afterwards . Keep the faith...it will happen. Stopped reading at the second line. Shithead Trololol Gashead for 46 years if you must know. Obviously Hugo the elder......but not wiser!!
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Post by chippenhamgas on May 13, 2017 19:17:20 GMT
Stopped reading at the second line. Shithead Trololol Gashead for 46 years if you must know. Obviously Hugo the elder......but not wiser!! If you state the obvious that city are light years ahead of us then you are a shithead. The longer it continues the more our chances of competing with them recede. But the priority must be not to pay uwe market value for their land.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 19:24:33 GMT
Couple of huge woooooooossssssssshes there boys.
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Post by titchthephot on May 13, 2017 19:27:53 GMT
So you think that the Mem is a fantastic Stadium and that Ashton Gate is a dump? I am a true Gashead and I hate the fact that they ARE ahead of us with regards to the stadium. Homely and full of character the Mem may be it is hardly 'State of the art'. So the fact that I mention it means I must be a shithead? The fact that you can't see the difference says far more about you. Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see the Gas look down on City from a superior position with regards to league position, stadium build - in fact, in every way. Read the League One FB page and see who quite a few voted as the worst away stadium. Wow, that's something to be proud of, eh? We need a new stadium if we want to progress - which has been stated by the new owners and DC. Hang on, you are disagreeing with them...then with your logic you must be Sh1!heads! Get real!
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 13, 2017 19:32:19 GMT
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Post by manorfarmgas on May 13, 2017 19:33:47 GMT
So you think that the Mem is a fantastic Stadium and that Ashton Gate is a dump? I am a true Gashead and I hate the fact that they ARE ahead of us with regards to the stadium. Homely and full of character the Mem may be it is hardly 'State of the art'. So the fact that I mention it means I must be a shithead? The fact that you can't see the difference says far more about you. Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see the Gas look down on City from a superior position with regards to league position, stadium build - in fact, in every way. Read the League One FB page and see who quite a few voted as the worst away stadium. Wow, that's something to be proud of, eh? We need a new stadium if we want to progress - which has been stated by the new owners and DC. Hang on, you are disagreeing with them...then with your logic you must be Sh1!heads! Get real! Relax bud he was joking.
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Post by chippenhamgas on May 13, 2017 20:05:35 GMT
So you think that the Mem is a fantastic Stadium and that Ashton Gate is a dump? I am a true Gashead and I hate the fact that they ARE ahead of us with regards to the stadium. Homely and full of character the Mem may be it is hardly 'State of the art'. So the fact that I mention it means I must be a shithead? The fact that you can't see the difference says far more about you. Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see the Gas look down on City from a superior position with regards to league position, stadium build - in fact, in every way. Read the League One FB page and see who quite a few voted as the worst away stadium. Wow, that's something to be proud of, eh? We need a new stadium if we want to progress - which has been stated by the new owners and DC. Hang on, you are disagreeing with them...then with your logic you must be Sh1!heads! Get real! I follow the league one fb page and it's pretty embarrassing reading what fans of other clubs think of us. Just imagine if we were in the championship at the mem. That picture the Sh1!heads post of the two grounds side by side with the words "forever in our shadow" sums it up, painful but true.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 20:08:26 GMT
I think everyone knows that Trashton is better than the Mem! It's not hard is it.
Soulless bowls..... I've mentioned this before but it needs saying again. It is not the stadium that determines the atmosphere and experience, it is the show and the crowd. Wembley would have been soulless if it weren't for the Grimsby fans. Old Trafford can be as electric as it can be silent, with Anfield being another prime example.
The new stadium shouldn't be about individual preferences but how important it is for the club looking ahead.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 20:15:34 GMT
So you think that the Mem is a fantastic Stadium and that Ashton Gate is a dump? I am a true Gashead and I hate the fact that they ARE ahead of us with regards to the stadium. Homely and full of character the Mem may be it is hardly 'State of the art'. So the fact that I mention it means I must be a shithead? The fact that you can't see the difference says far more about you. Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see the Gas look down on City from a superior position with regards to league position, stadium build - in fact, in every way. Read the League One FB page and see who quite a few voted as the worst away stadium. Wow, that's something to be proud of, eh? We need a new stadium if we want to progress - which has been stated by the new owners and DC. Hang on, you are disagreeing with them...then with your logic you must be Sh1!heads! Get real! I follow the league one fb page and it's pretty embarrassing reading what fans of other clubs think of us. Just imagine if we were in the championship at the mem. That picture the Sh1!heads post of the two grounds side by side with the words "forever in our shadow" sums it up, painful but true. That's fair enough but a nice ground is only part of the story. Newcastle have a grand stadium but they played a level below Bournemouth last year for example. The shadow that we are in covers pretty much every aspect of football.
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