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Post by oviedista on Jan 18, 2020 17:27:10 GMT
People have so quickly forgotten that GC left saying he 'couldn't see where he could take the club'. I never stopped looking down the table - he knew the only way was down too.
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Post by oviedista on Jan 18, 2020 17:25:03 GMT
Look I really do feel bad about bens family problems but at the end of the day he’s destroying our season. If he isn’t able to mange us then he should leave and look after his family. I think this comment may be the one that drives me off this forum for good. Why are people like this?
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Post by oviedista on Jan 12, 2020 14:35:37 GMT
In fairness, I think only the most brutal would have commented if someone had made a brief comment, either at the start of the interview or as part of the text on the social media posts to say KM was taking the interview as BG had a private matter to see to. Most were questioning why he wasn’t taking the interview, and expressing surprise given the circumstances. After today’s announcement we all know why, and many wouldn’t have posted what they did knowing the circumstances. Fair comment. It's easy to say people shouldn't comment without knowing the full facts but if that was the case with everything on here, then we wouldn't have much to say, and it'd be very boring! You think post after post hysterically demonising a decent man on the basis of zero knowledge is entertaining?
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Post by oviedista on May 5, 2019 11:09:55 GMT
Well that didn't take long. Antonio has moved this thread to General Chat because there's too much general ignorance on show. Express an alternative view and you're accused of ignorance. Kind of illustrates my comment regarding people being educated to think correctly, and if you express a view contrary to the left wing thought police you get shuffled off into obscurity. Long live freedom of thought and speech. It won't last much longer. He said you can be as ignorant as you like ABOUT FOOTBALL on the football page and ignorant about other things on a non-football one. But seriously, in the history of oppression and tyranny, having your opinions moved to another category of discussion on an internet forum isn't really up there.
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Post by oviedista on Mar 8, 2019 20:11:03 GMT
So wherever a manager is when he was last sacked represents his level? He could succeed at a Championship club or fail at a league 2 one. Who knows. It was this kind of simplistic analysis that led to claims Clarke was "out of his depth" in the Conference. I'm not looking at this season, last season we won just 4 games after #Christmas, and that's when we had Harrison and Gaffney et al. It was going bad for 18 months, then the final grenade was this summers recruitment. Nice of him to admit that he had the biggest budget he had ever had. Problem is he wasted it on less than average players Ah he made some average signings so he's definitely not good enough for league one. That is conclusive.
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Post by oviedista on Mar 6, 2019 20:46:56 GMT
DC needed a rest and wanted a rest. A lack of action is perfectly normal. Don't think he'll want to travel much beyond Midlands. LGE 1 is his obvious level, so I expect his next job to be there. Can't see any reason to go lower than LGE 2 max. Wouldn't be surprised at Asst mgr job at bigger club, hoping to get mgr job one day. Disagree, otherwise we would be in the top half of the table and he would still be employed So wherever a manager is when he was last sacked represents his level? He could succeed at a Championship club or fail at a league 2 one. Who knows. It was this kind of simplistic analysis that led to claims Clarke was "out of his depth" in the Conference.
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Post by oviedista on Mar 6, 2019 12:53:15 GMT
So, last nights attendance of 6,699 (with 1,883 travelling supporters), some will say this is another example of people not protesting and getting behind the club and competition but how does it compare to previous Area Finals/Semi Finals in regards to the average attendance of that season? Bristol Rovers vs Notts County - 28/03/1990 Attendance - 6,480 Average - 6,209 4% IncreaseBristol Rovers vs Shrewsbury Town - 12/03/1996 Attendance - 7,050 Average - 5,285 33% IncreaseBristol Rovers vs Southend United - 12/02/2005 Attendance - 7,110 Average - 7,077 - Bristol Rovers vs Bristol City - 27/02/2007 Attendance - 11,530 Average - 5,476 111% IncreaseBristol Rovers vs Sunderland - 05/03/2019 Attendance - 6,699 Average - 8,933 25% DecreaseBefore last night on average an Area Final/Semi Final would see an attendance 37% better than the seasonal average, for the pedants removing the Derby of 2007 attendances were still 12% up. It's safe to say the punters have poo-pooed the idea that this was ever a "Big Game" and Rovers also did so by closing vast areas of the ground and reducing admission prices. Average attendance figures provided by European Football Statistics. Thanks for posting this. I was actually quite relieved at the attendance and if it hadn't been for the 'sod you jack' enthusiasm of the Sunderland fans and we were playing a small club could well have been below 5000. I live in London so not a regular but big respect to all those that go week in week out but didn't last night. Now imagine we had less than 500 of our own turn up with the cameras there? The pundits would have had to talk about it, the newspapers would have picked up on it - a discussion would have started on the future and meaning of the league system. The EFL would have HATED it! The success instead is that we haven't given them anything to crow about. Which is still good.
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Post by oviedista on Feb 8, 2019 12:06:04 GMT
TBH I am a bit bemused by all the posts/threads on this forum about this competition. Not sure where any of this angst with each other is getting us as supporters of the same club. To me it is quite simple - you go/don’t go according to how you see it. Live and let live I say. For the record I don’t go as I am against the concept and where it might lead. Will it do any good? Don’t know, time will tell. But - if my feelings are against it how can I attend? It’s as simple as that to me. Likewise if people think differently to me I respect and understand why they do. And why they attend. End of. Simples. We all know the arguments for and against. Continually repeating them will just get us all frustrated. IMO. However, as I ain’t the Forum thought Police it’s not up to me to say what anyone posts, but I do wonder how going around in circles is helping us? I haven’t seen any new rationale posted on this thread that we haven’t seen or debated previously. Just seems we are getting more upset with each other when we need to have more togetherness given what we face in the bigger picture. Onwards...... I understand your feeling but the problem for me is that "we all know the arguments for and against" isn't really true - that'w why the debate keeps going. I have heard very few actual arguments FOR the competition other than a few refreshing "I like B teams" ("Boycotts won't make any difference" isn't an argument for the competition) . And most arguments against are (wilfully or otherwise) misrepresented - E.G It's a "conspiracy" theory. If we as a fanbase don't play our part in standing up to the EFL and the PREM it will be another depressing push away from my belief in the value of football culture in this day and age. So continuing to try and persuade people to boycott feels necessary where ever possible.
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Post by oviedista on Jan 23, 2019 13:15:25 GMT
Fair enough. Would the idea of Bristol Rovers vs Bristol City U21 in a competitive fixture bother you? That would just about do it for me. There has nearly always been a big gap between Stoke/Port Vale and Forest/County but not City/Rovers. To be deemed an opponent for their U 21's would cement our position as second rate in Bristol. Can't see it happening to be honest but you never know. Here's how it happens. City enter their U21 side and we get drawn against them.
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Post by oviedista on Jan 20, 2019 21:59:41 GMT
In reply to last two posts...
A - 50 000 fans will probably not boycott the final. But that’s irrelevant to whether you abandon your principles and go. The only chance of a mass boycott is not going yourself and encouraging others to do the same.
B. The competition is in and of itself an insult to the lower league clubs. That is reason enough and can’t be called a conspiracy. That said, the threat of the competition being used to promote b teams more generally is based on solid reason and evidence.
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Post by oviedista on Jan 10, 2019 23:13:29 GMT
OK, have now done research on this All under 21 sides had to play their group stage matches away from home. Then for all other rounds the first team out of the hat plays at home. But they clearly stated before the draw Man C would play away regardless, I assume Guardiola doesn't want his players playing in front of a couple of home fans, still can't see why they let one club bend the rules although, hopefully, they'll now lose. If the a Prem side requested their teams boots were cleaned by the league club's playing staff the EFL would probably agree. It's the nature of the competition.
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Post by oviedista on Jan 10, 2019 22:47:15 GMT
Man City CEO and Guardiola in just the last few weeks. Guardiola's always been a fan as it's already happening in Spain but that's only one club out of 21 Premiership sides. If we really wanted to give youth a chance why didn't he play some last night instead of whinging they never get any game time. As has been said he wants competition for an oversized squad (hence b teams not under 21s). Depressingly if Man City u21s reach Wembley it might not be the disaster anticipated - reserves lording it over the lower leagues might be another celebration of dominance their fans crave (they took numbers to Rochdale).
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Post by oviedista on Jan 10, 2019 20:38:54 GMT
It's not a conspiracy theory by any stretch - they literally attempted to introduce b teams before resorting to using the Trophy. Loads of people at the top of the game are pushing for b teams in public statements. For me, it's what the way things are clearly headed. Where are they? I can't recall the new Chelsea or Arsenal manager calling for B teams to join the EFL? Wenger was a supporter but he's long gone. A quick search on Google suggests nobody has raised it since 2016. Man City CEO and Guardiola in just the last few weeks.
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Post by oviedista on Jan 10, 2019 18:44:08 GMT
I'd rather sh!t in my hands and clap than watch a game in this competition in its current format. Getting to Wembley won't change that. Not attending is the only way of stopping the FA destroying the lower leagues and widening the gap between the Premier League. An absolute farse. I see it as the perfect format for showing off young talent to League 1 and 2 clubs prior to the endless loans they have to endure before being discarded to one of them. We always fielded our bench sitters and young players in this competition anyway unless we made the semis, so what's the problem? We could learn from them too. It's not as though we've lost to any U21 teams, is it? I don't buy into the conspiracy theory that it's a project with the intention of eventually adding PL reserve teams to Leagues 1 and 2. That sounds like something made up in the Oval Office and thrown out on social media where it became 'God's' honest truth. The PL is the best league in the world and why people hate it is beyond me, but each to their own. And please don't mention Brian Clough. He forked out millions to win the league back in the nostalgia years and we knocked 8 past one of his sides in a powerful display of shooting skills that all our "forwards" should be made to watch over and over again strapped in a chair with their eyelids taped up. It's not a conspiracy theory by any stretch - they literally attempted to introduce b teams before resorting to using the Trophy. Loads of people at the top of the game are pushing for b teams in public statements. For me, it's what the way things are clearly headed.
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Post by oviedista on Jan 10, 2019 10:11:00 GMT
Sadly that kind of defeatest attitude is why the Premier League, FA, EPL and Sky continue to take the p*ss out of supporters and expliot them. They're safe in the knowledge that fans will jump however high they command. The biggest asset to the English game isn't Salah, Aguero etc. It's the supporters who have given our game the unique atmosphere and history over the years. Supporters hold the cards for the direction of the game but unfortunately don't have the desire or commitment to make a stand collectively it seems. You can only "make a stand" if you believe what is happening is wrong How do you know that the majority think like you ? BTW I'm against any form of change to the structure of the EFL but i still support my team come what may ! and yes i will be at Wembley IF we get to the final A more meaningful action would be the EFL to either ban U21 loans of limit it to say 1 player per EFL team. That will never happen because teams like ours need them to survive So you agree with the current format and think it's a good alternative to loans - so support it?
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Post by oviedista on Jan 9, 2019 22:20:00 GMT
Everyone absolutely has the right to go to Wembley/ any Trophy games and I've no right to tell you not to however... If I'm not wrong I have "Wouldn't want to disappoint the kids" and "We're destined to be Premier League puppets anyway so let's bend over" as the two main arguments for going? My reason for going is because I like watching us play, but I believe everyone has the right not to go too. It's a bit like religion for me. I may not believe but I'm happy for you if you do. Not believe what though? I'm sure all the Blackpool fans not attending games for the last year or so like watching them play as much as you like watching Rovers. It's just not a reason. If you want to say I don't care about b teams that's fine. I'm just looking for good reasons.
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Post by oviedista on Jan 9, 2019 19:46:57 GMT
Everyone absolutely has the right to go to Wembley/ any Trophy games and I've no right to tell you not to however...
If I'm not wrong I have "Wouldn't want to disappoint the kids" and "We're destined to be Premier League puppets anyway so let's bend over" as the two main arguments for going?
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Post by oviedista on Jan 9, 2019 15:09:00 GMT
My first instinct was to boycott last season which I did. This year I realised that putting money into the pocket of my football club was vital, so I've gone. The Premier league have no interest in what we do nor do they need to. The formation of that league was the first step in changing football in this country forever and I don't hear many boycotts of sky sports, bt and match of the day. If there's an opportunity to support the club I'd take it even if it meant dragging myself to a miserable part of North London to visit the lifeless bowl that pays homage to corporate football i this country. Sunderland had the best answer to this competition in the way that they swept aside Newcastle last night. Come back when you've grown up boys. It's probably not good form to quote yourself but there's been a three long responses to the original post. I'd ask those posters if you're successful and this tournament is returned to its previous format, what happens next? Its the power of the Premier league that is the source of the problem this tournament is merely a symptom. Until we as fans deal with the money that flows into the Premier league nothing will change. As I asked originally how many people are prepared the boycott sky sports, bt and match of the day until an equitable distribution of funds are achieved. The problem is those aren't things you can boycott with any obvious effect. The Checkatrade is. If there were no Sunderland fans last night - if there is a sub 10 000 gate at Wembley - that impacts massively. This is an opportunity to make a stand. Yes there is a bigger picture to consider but doing nothing because you can't do everything isn't a great approach in my view (if that's what you're arguing).
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Post by oviedista on Jan 9, 2019 11:35:49 GMT
Sadly, if we get to Wembley then Gas will probably turn up in numbers. That's because, like fans of all clubs (Blackpool being a recent exception), the commitment to the cause makes us so easy to exploit.
I'm pretty fatalistic on this, a future where the only Bristol "derby" will be against their B team.
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Post by oviedista on Jan 9, 2019 11:31:39 GMT
Eh? Same argument from those who say "well, my vote on its own won't change anything" - if enough people individually boycott this farce of a tournament then they may well change things. It's already talked about in the press after every round, now it just needs a poor final turnout to hammer the point home.That's only ever going to happen if an U21 side ever gets to the final, if they've got any sense then they'll make sure they don't! The guy that runs the competition said himself he hopes they never do! Imagine that - he gave places to teams he hopes never reach the final. It's madness.
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