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Post by inee on Sept 1, 2020 14:22:03 GMT
porn
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Post by inee on Sept 1, 2020 14:15:33 GMT
Guess they are not going after the Ewok vote then......🤔 I misread Bags post there and thought he said midget sex, had flashbacks to the 70's and having a thing fer the midget in the great rock n roll swindle
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Post by inee on Sept 1, 2020 10:40:25 GMT
reggae
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Post by inee on Sept 1, 2020 10:36:25 GMT
Another protester was shot and killed by another protester and not one word has been said, it seems people only care about life if the dead person fits within a narrative.
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Post by inee on Sept 1, 2020 10:33:47 GMT
If it`s true, it won`t be kind of irrelevant in court. It`d be a totally different case to the one that we were expecting. I’m sure the original autopsy report showed drugs in his system as well as a heart defect. The family dismissed the findings and found a physician to come up with a different set of findings. Although kneeling on someone’s neck can’t ever really be condoned Is it an action that would reasonably be expected to cause death in the vast majority of cases? IMO the autopsy findings will have a massive part to play in the eventual trial if his medical history had a far bigger role in his death than the coppers actions. Unless we are saying coppers shouldn’t detain any criminal suspect until they have had a chance to fully review an individuals medical history! Eric i differ slightly in my views on a a victims medical history and 1 punch deaths, if someone has a condition that if attacked could kill em and someone does just that. Then it should be charged as murder, same as if i stand on your throat, or kneel on your neck, i know that the person could die, well has a lot higher chance of death or disability due to my knee, then if that person dies you should be charged with murder simple as. We all know that kneeling on someone's back/chest can cause some horrific injuries due to organ damage. Yes i will admit it's a good restraining technique but should always be a last resort. As an aside wend read out a news item off the web an american woman called police as she thought the turkey tails she was cooking was a human penis ,only in america
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Post by inee on Aug 28, 2020 20:18:37 GMT
For the sake of balance and some normality could someone please post something really negative? Poor crowd, zero atmosphere,no food available,no bog roll,enough? Thats not negative ,thats covid survival
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Post by inee on Aug 28, 2020 20:16:42 GMT
liquorice
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Post by inee on Aug 28, 2020 20:16:13 GMT
Bags you forgot blacks killing black, etc Oldie I'm not trying to argue with you but, Are you really as naĂŻve as you sound at the moment, How are people in this country able to get hold of automatic weapons, If people in an unarmed country can get hold of weapons easily and cheaply, then how easy is it to get weapons in a country where they are everywhere, the weapon could be legal, could be a refurbed decommissioned weapon, could have been pinched from somewhere. I am questioning a society that allows a 17 yr old to be in possession of a rifle. I question the parents, that kid's upbringing and his education. I have three grandsons living in the States in North Carolina. To the best of my knowledge they have never handled a gun, I know for a fact there are no weapons of any sort in their house. And yet you don't publicly question a country where 14 year olds can legally own firearms, How can you question the parents ,education and upbringing, without knowing nothing about who they are. Anyone can commit murder it's not exclusively down to parents, upbringing or education. people immediately assume it's the parents fault. In the majority of cases it's down to the individual. Again if someone wants a weapon no matter where you live in the world you can buy one. how would you feel if your grandkids own a gun at some point in their lives and maybe shot someone would you still be inclined to blame parents, education and upbringing. I think that you would not, i think you would question why they did that. as you know they had a good upbringing etc. It's so easy to say it's the parents fault. Again anyone is capable of doing anything whether they are rich, poor, privileged, impoverished etc I know for a fact there are weapons of some sort in every inhabited house in the world, but few are used in anger
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Post by inee on Aug 28, 2020 17:39:14 GMT
dave
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Post by inee on Aug 28, 2020 17:36:12 GMT
anyone know what how much Mitchell-Lawson is valued at ? Two pints of larger and a packet of crisps. i should imagine
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Post by inee on Aug 28, 2020 17:22:44 GMT
I tire of the number of times I hear disparaging remarks about Lewis Hamilton. I presume you are implying Hamilton only gets disparaging remarks because he is mixed race? I don’t think he gets a fraction of the stick Wayne Rooney gets. Perhaps people don’t like being preached to by someone who pays no U.K. tax. Steve Lansdown gets criticised for the same reason on here and last time I looked his skin colour was red. For the record until recently I’ve been a massive fan of Hamilton. Not any more but still think he’s the greatest F1 driver in history, at the very least in the same conversation as Schumacher, Fangio and Senna. I don’t have sporting heroes based on skin colour, my favourite sportsman of all time is Tiger Woods despite some of his off course blunders. Eric you are so wrong red 5 was the best f1 driver of all time . I don't think modern f1 drivers are great, the real greats of f1 are the original drivers or the driver up to the 70's that took real big bollocks to be a driver back then.
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Post by inee on Aug 28, 2020 17:11:39 GMT
With respect the Afro American community have to take some of the blame for what is happening right now. After watching the video a few times I agree with William Wilson. In an era where it is taboo to appropriate someone else’s experience and claim it as our own it is not really surprising that everyone seems able to appropriate the experience of a cop with a live weapon and a suspect who won’t obey orders as he reaches into his vehicle for God knows what and judge them from the safety of their armchairs. It’s easy to say “he should have waited to see what the suspect did” but that scenario must be one of the toughest the human mind can endure and rational decision making Is beset by the panic that you could lose your life in a few seconds. All the training in the world won’t prepare you for when it happens for real with live bullets and an unpredictable target. There is no empathy for that tortured decision making from the protesters though, they don’t care about any other detail apart from white cop, black victim, the rest is just noise and now the town is going to burn and more people are going to die just because the guy would not obey orders and reached into his car. That was the spark in the whole tinder box. Yeah right 365. So a white 17 year old murders two protesters. The 2nd one about 100 yards in front of a police line. He then walks towards the police line with that same rifle swinging across his chest. The police do no confront him, do not challenge him, absolutely do not raise their weapons to confront him. He gets away and is arrested latterly in another State. Black guy, unarmed, is confronted by the police in an alleged domestic dispute situation. He turns away to his car containing three kids. He gets shot 7 times in the back. Now compare and contrast the two situations and tell me the afro American community have a case to answer. For f**ks sake are you blind? Or just inherently racist. Why, or how, can you excuse that? May i ask you a question, if a Black cop, shoots a black person is that deemed wrong, if a black cop shoots a white, Asian or Hispanic person is that ok. The real question is ,is it racist to shoot one section of society or is it a reflex action due to past incidents, i'm not saying that some pigs aren't racist or not corrupt. Perhaps it's time for the law over there to shoot to main not kill, by that i mean take out a knee or an elbow. Yeah not an ideal solution but surely better than death. As for Floyd was it racially motivated, or as i said on a previous post just down to the pig n Floyd having a long standing beef with each other. over the way the cop harassed women in a club they both worked the door on.
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Post by inee on Aug 28, 2020 16:52:36 GMT
What's awful about this, is that blacks have been killing white cops, white cops killing blacks, whites killing whites, etc etc etc over there for years. Every day this happens. I'm not sure this is so much a race issue (although they have a real problem with this in the US) as it is a gun issue. All of that Baggs. How on earth a 17 year old is able to get hold of rifle is beyond any sense of reasonBut sadly the cops actions in these two incidents bring their attitudes into sharp relief. Bags you forgot blacks killing black, etc Oldie I'm not trying to argue with you but, Are you really as naĂŻve as you sound at the moment, How are people in this country able to get hold of automatic weapons, If people in an unarmed country can get hold of weapons easily and cheaply, then how easy is it to get weapons in a country where they are everywhere, the weapon could be legal, could be a refurbed decommissioned weapon, could have been pinched from somewhere.
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Post by inee on Aug 27, 2020 11:43:26 GMT
Come off it Oldie, I expected more from you, but again either no or a small reply, to me that smacks of if you don't agree with me i wont talk to you. Likewise you seem to be blinded by hatred of this country, not once have i condoned or agreed with slavery, and you really surprised me with this reply,as you always ask for the truth ,when it's presented you then hide away Not quite Inee. You hold strongly held views and I see little point in circular debate when we are never going to agree or even agree to disagree. As for hatred of my country, that's just nonsense. I do however dislike statements, actions or policies that embarrass us as a country as actually I would claim to be patriotic, which is not the same as blind adherence to untruth or misrepresentation. Your not the first person who has said i have strongly held views . With me what you see is what you get, im the same on here as i am in real life Ok i will change my view on your thoughts of our country, the thing is the way you write about England tends to be read as hatred.
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Post by inee on Aug 27, 2020 10:01:40 GMT
We are talking about the UK here. The UK was supposedly civilised when it partook in a massive slave trade, the effects of that slave trade are still at play today, as you see in the US. To try and lump in all forms of ancient slavery in to this argument is to say that you can commit a crime because someone else did it earlier. The slave trade was abolished due to pressure from mass people movements & the Haitian revolution. The slaves labour of the US cotton fields was still used after the abolition, the compensation paid to UK slavers that the tax payer covered was used to fire the industrial revolution. I know you were against the removal of the colston statue, so you are a traditionalist, which is fair enough,you are happy to follow old traditions because that's what is & always done. Not everyone is like that so we look at a past awful event and would like to see it treated as the horror is was, no different to the Holocaust. Yes there is still slavery going on around the world now, but it is part of capitalism, as was the Atlantic slave trade, so is ingrained in to our culture, one day hopefully it will be eradicated, but not if we all bury our heads in the sand. I wasn't going to reply to Inee because that "Whataboutery" argument has been used so much that if people think that's fine then there is not much you can say to convince them otherwise. I agree with what you say, butI suspect we may disagree on the solution... Come off it Oldie, I expected more from you, but again either no or a small reply, to me that smacks of if you don't agree with me i wont talk to you. Likewise you seem to be blinded by hatred of this country, not once have i condoned or agreed with slavery, and you really surprised me with this reply,as you always ask for the truth ,when it's presented you then hide away
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Post by inee on Aug 27, 2020 9:53:56 GMT
or the campaigners in the background who kept writing to and talking to wilberforce and others, but those are always overlooked. As for selectiveness (not aimed art anyone in particular), but why does every one focus on one piece of history, you never hear of the British(although Britain dint exist back then but i wasn't going to type a list of different borders) people enslaved by the Irish via the Norse, or in later days kids and adults being press ganged into service, or how it's conveniently forgotten that slaves were bought from other tribes in their homelands for weapons and booze. Also forgotten are the barbary pirates. History is a complex thing you can't just focus on one bit and say naughty brits did this and that, see many people really think that we wandered to foreign shores, kidnapped every one and made them slave when in practise it wasn't as cut and dried as that as well people know, as in when tribes raided other tribes or won battles the losing side were kept as slaves and or sold. The reason so many think is was just us and the yanks who bought or took slaves, is because at the time it was well documented in Britain and america. Why does everyone seem to forget the french. Spanish, Portuguese, barbary pirates and others. As stu says you can't be selective in what you teach but need to teach people the wider picture. In that we were not alone in what we did but at that time it was a world wide problem. does that make it any better ,no it doesn't it just informs people that what they have been brainwashed to believe was wrong We are talking about the UK here. The UK was supposedly civilised when it partook in a massive slave trade, the effects of that slave trade are still at play today, as you see in the US. To tr y and lump in all forms of ancient slavery in to this argument is to say that you can commit a crime because someone else did it earlier.The slave trade was abolished due to pressure from mass people movements & the Haitian revolution. The slaves labour of the US cotton fields was still used after the abolition, the compensation paid to UK slavers that the tax payer covered was used to fire the industrial revolution. I know you were against the removal of the colston statue, so you are a traditionalist, which is fair enough, you are happy to follow old traditions because that's what is & always done. Not everyone is like that so we look at a past awful event and would like to see it treated as the horror is was, no different to the Holocaust. Yes there is still slavery going on around the world now, but it is part of capitalism, as was the Atlantic slave trade, so is ingrained in to our culture, one day hopefully it will be eradicated, but not if we all bury our heads in the sand. Yes we are talking about the uk, An awful lot of people think that the uk acted alone in the capture of slaves, this needs addressing, as selective history is just shifting the blame to fit an anti uk narrative. No referring to all slavery (not just ancient but all) does not say it's acceptable or in your words. "you can commit a crime because someone else did it earlier." that's simply a cop out as well you know, Even wilberforce referred to it in a speech, he said something along the lines of slavery has been practised for thousands of years. Interesting you mention the Haiti revolution as you know was a slave revolt against the french ,the freed slaves also worked alongside the British and Spanish against the french, and then fought with the french. So in effect you have also bought up the fact that the uk wasn't alone in the trade it needs to be taught you think i'm trying to spread blame, i'm not i'm trying to show that other countries are just as guilty as we were(does it lessen the blame does it f**k). What is interesting to me is that it was the quakers who featured heavily in the abolitionist movement, who would have thought religion would have been useful in the freeing of millions, instead of the murder many people worldwide. As you invoked Godwin's law . It's fair to say that unfortunantely it's history repeating itself as the world stood by and did feck all. can you see the pattern here. Again the majority will say hitler bad ,allies good whilst totally ignoring things like the leveling of dresden. Or the atrocities of the japs, does that still get taught in schools or have it been forgotten as most of the captives are now dead. So again i will say you can't be selective with history as it leads to people believe wrongly what happened, and as such in general people will continue to make the same mistakes and as our forefathers.
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Post by inee on Aug 26, 2020 20:17:01 GMT
union
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Post by inee on Aug 26, 2020 20:15:22 GMT
As far as obeying the cops, sound in principle, but the trouble is the cops there have lost the trust of to many of afro American community, who genuinely fear that when stopped the cops will conjure an excuse to shoot them. Rightly or wrongly, but there have been to many examples of exactly that. Anyway the police there do not police by consent, they police by force. That may be so, but refusing to stand still when told to do so, is just handing the police an excuse to shoot you. No need to conjure one. If the police tell someone to stand still, and he refuses to comply, then neither party is behaving by consent. Opening a car door and reaching inside, not only gives the police an excuse to shoot you, but pretty much guarantees their acquittal in any subsequent investigation. The police will simply say that they feared the suspect was reaching for a weapon. Hard thing to disprove. Agree there over here if you get agitated with cops you just get a thrashing with a metal stick, or tasered and if your really lucky you get a face full of pepper spray, problem is if you stay still you still get done over, but and a big but if i was in the us and i was told to not move i wouldn't even breathe too hard. The police here police by force, but thankfully aren't all armed.
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Post by inee on Aug 26, 2020 20:03:48 GMT
Explain are you saying that what i replied with is not true and that only the white man had slaves
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Post by inee on Aug 26, 2020 20:02:32 GMT
Maybe ,however do you really think a true free market is beneficial to anyone other than those doing the deal. For example I buy a bike form a shop for say a ton, manufacturer gets a bit, shop gets a bit government get a big bit of the money i spent. You go directly to the manufacturer get it shipped over and delivered to your door for ÂŁ60, manufacturer gets his bit, delivery company gets his bit, oh hang on government gets feck all. Thats an example of true free trade. As i see it the person who believes in true free trade have just became the same as the people they decry as tax dodgers.
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