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Post by inee on Aug 26, 2020 19:50:58 GMT
It's a nuance which dilutes from the main point, which is that this country enriched itself hugely on the trade of and the utilisation of the slavery of other human beings. That's all that needs to be taught and considered when analysing our political and economic history. Indeed, don't disagree, where I do digress is in the selectiveness of a point. This works both ways and history cannot really be seen in isolation. We cannot ignore the slaves themselves in working towards the Abolition in addition to the politicians like Pitt and Wilberforce, nor should we put to one side the later actions of a different government in extending that abolition. or the campaigners in the background who kept writing to and talking to wilberforce and others, but those are always overlooked. As for selectiveness (not aimed art anyone in particular), but why does every one focus on one piece of history, you never hear of the British(although Britain dint exist back then but i wasn't going to type a list of different borders) people enslaved by the Irish via the Norse, or in later days kids and adults being press ganged into service, or how it's conveniently forgotten that slaves were bought from other tribes in their homelands for weapons and booze. Also forgotten are the barbary pirates. History is a complex thing you can't just focus on one bit and say naughty brits did this and that, see many people really think that we wandered to foreign shores, kidnapped every one and made them slave when in practise it wasn't as cut and dried as that as well people know, as in when tribes raided other tribes or won battles the losing side were kept as slaves and or sold. The reason so many think is was just us and the yanks who bought or took slaves, is because at the time it was well documented in Britain and america. Why does everyone seem to forget the french. Spanish, Portuguese, barbary pirates and others. As stu says you can't be selective in what you teach but need to teach people the wider picture. In that we were not alone in what we did but at that time it was a world wide problem. does that make it any better ,no it doesn't it just informs people that what they have been brainwashed to believe was wrong
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Post by inee on Aug 26, 2020 18:36:18 GMT
sorry did reply but the fecking laptop died when i hit the sent button. IMO this is totally on thread as one of the things about brexit was controlling our borders(which is as i said being sabotaged by the frogs) , also the issue of allowing immigrants/asylum seekers in as well. My stance hasn't changed on this i still think we should have an Australian / Canadian type of immigration control ,no job no entitlement to stay, criminal record not allowed in. However brexit will not cover the fecking stupidity of the immigration service, whining when they let an illegal go with a return date and they never turn up. We will never agree on immigration but the countries already full. It will not surprise you Inee when I say I completely disagree with you. Immigration is essential for our economic well being going forward, to both counter the demographic issues confronting developed countries such as Japan and as a driver of demand. Inward foreign investment is both capital and labour. Money and skill...every economy needs it. Drawing up the drawbridge is a one way or street to never never land. No it didn't surprise me as i made reference to it in my last sentence. I find it strange where we differ, i maintain if you want to come over have a job lined up, if yer a criminal don't bother coming, because the reality is if you have a criminal record theres a chance you will reoffend, putting a strain on this country, likewise if you haven't a job you will also put a stain on resources. So no one would stop people from abroad coming in if they have a job. I had an idea years back when military bases in the uk were being closed, immigrants would get lodgings in these camps in return for work and food, basically the men would go out and repair potholes, work in the community etc, lady folk would tend to the base etc( not sexist but just the way a lot of countries work as in blokes off to work ladys at home. you report in the morning get taken to work do yer 8hrs get a lift to camp. the good side is people will have to work it would become apparent very quickly who didnt want to work well chuck em on a plane and send those home.
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Post by inee on Aug 25, 2020 15:55:54 GMT
Why ? , because i would take up arms and fight for my country, there are luckily many who would take up arms to save their country , and if that offends anyone on behalf of others then i really don't give a toss. Not at all, but this thread is about Brexit which had gone off on a tangent about the refugee crisis. Not sure that this requires a call to arms? sorry did reply but the fecking laptop died when i hit the sent button. IMO this is totally on thread as one of the things about brexit was controlling our borders(which is as i said being sabotaged by the frogs) , also the issue of allowing immigrants/asylum seekers in as well. My stance hasn't changed on this i still think we should have an Australian / Canadian type of immigration control ,no job no entitlement to stay, criminal record not allowed in. However brexit will not cover the fecking stupidity of the immigration service, whining when they let an illegal go with a return date and they never turn up. We will never agree on immigration but the countries already full.
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Post by inee on Aug 25, 2020 15:49:11 GMT
Why ? , because i would take up arms and fight for my country, there are luckily many who would take up arms to save their country , and if that offends anyone on behalf of others then i really don't give a toss. Taking up arms to fight against who exactly? I was commenting on the syrians who run away as most were of military age extremely well dressed and groomed etc, if you read the other post it was clear that i said if i was in their position ( i'll tell ee this if it was my country under attack) i would fight for my country
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Post by inee on Aug 25, 2020 15:45:16 GMT
The thing is as i see it, if you get payed via dividends you do it to lower your tax bill, plus there's no guarantee that they will be payed at all, as dividends are payed on profit which could be a penny or could be millions. So in my mind they exploited a tax loophole so in effect ae reaping what they sow, besides wouldn't the wealthy prefer being payed via dividend (or am i missing something.
I also stand by what i said as regards the 80/20 split, the reality is that as said people will spend approx. 20% less by staying at home.
One for the financy people on here, under normal circumstances if you have a home office you can claim tax back(not sure if that's scheme is still working) . The question is can anyone (working from home), claim and get the tax allowance as they were forced to use their home for work
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Post by inee on Aug 25, 2020 13:05:32 GMT
and why is that, tis the surrender monkeys, not following the rules they agreed to, assylem seekers are these the same ones who were mostly of military age, well dressed, very similar haircuts, who walked what was it a thousand miles to get to europe. whilst still using their iphones . Didn't you find any of that strange, and i'll tell ee this if it was my country under attack ,even though I'm unfit, a bit too old for military service i would sign up straight away even if it was to man a checkpoint. Then thank God you are not in a position of responsibility and/or authority. Why ? , because i would take up arms and fight for my country, there are luckily many who would take up arms to save their country , and if that offends anyone on behalf of others then i really don't give a toss.
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Post by inee on Aug 25, 2020 12:38:38 GMT
theres the whole noise/frequency, disruption technologies they were playing with, as far as i remember it's had a limited success in disrupting people gathering in certain places, works better on kids than adults as the majority of kids haven't damaged their hearing yet, As an interesting aside Lemmy was recounting his time in hawkwind where they would mess around with the Theremin they had on stage and noted different noise would make some people water themselves or blackout. Well I cant attest to a blackout but certainly at the end of one of their gigs they left the feedback ringing so loudly that I was deaf (Stone deaf) in one ear for 4 days! add forever to your hearing then and you,ve got the title of a damn good song
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Post by inee on Aug 25, 2020 2:01:16 GMT
Albert
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Post by inee on Aug 25, 2020 1:56:54 GMT
Has anybody heard of some weird rumour regarding a forced vaccine agenda involving the EU, Bill Gates? Some woman on my Mallorca facebook page reckons masks, vaccines etc is all part of a well known report? It's one of the conspiracy theories doing the rounds, has been for a while. Just like the 5G mast issues and "anti-vaxers". www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/technology-52833706"More than a quarter of all Americans and 44% of Republicans believe that Bill Gates wants to use a Covid-19 vaccine to implant microchips under people's skin, according to a survey from Yahoo News and YouGov." Stu that rfid rumours has been going on for years, it gained traction when a researcher, uni student or scientist, cant remember which implanted himself(yes a he as women arn't that daft) to show that you could be scanned, if i remember it was part of an experiment to go cashless as the idea was scan your chip and payment would be sorted. cant remember what happened after that, but i think america panicked, an we thought sh**e i hope they don't start charging me dog via it's micro chip, if people were chipped it wouldn't take long to find a way of disabling it . The problem with the yanks is that certain groups have bee experimented on for years, so isn't a real stretch to imagine that some of these theories are true. A big one in the last few years is the one about stockpiles of coffins being stored in the open across the states, compounds being built with the security fencing having the barbed wire facing inwards so as to make it difficult to get out of and being called family centres, oh and this is the clincher, if you look at a walmart store on line they all have a run off pond near them and these have an opening in then, the belief is that the opening lead into the walmart stores where people are taken and killed etc, to the rest of us they look like drain inlets into the overflow ponds. so i think they are linking all this into covid . There's a good chance that covid is an experimental weapon that got released as either a controlled experiment or or accidentally released. but isn't it odd that all the dodgy diseases come from that area
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Post by inee on Aug 25, 2020 1:37:11 GMT
So should Social media platforms take down stuff like this or would that be considered censorship? I think anything that has the potential to harm people should be subject to some kind of regulation. Certainly it shouldn't go unchallenged without scrutiny. That said, people have always bought snake oil. I think that the real difficulty is where something has the potential to do harm not exclusive to that individual. If you don't want to vaccinate yourself for whatever reason; religion, phobia, misinformation, then fine. You take your chances. But when you make that decision for someone else, a child who cannot consent either way or indeed the rest of the population who may suffer as a result of your catching and spreading something, well that is a slippery slope. Where its just one person it won't matter much of course as everyone else is protected. But what about those who can't have the vaccine because of health issues? When these things gain traction and we have significant potential for serious diseases spreading though, surely something should be done about these lunatics? I'm not advocating some kind of dystopian landscape where vaccination passports would admit or bar you from some social settings. It would make a good book though. It's been published wasn't it the liberal democrats manifesto in the 80's
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Post by inee on Aug 25, 2020 1:35:48 GMT
Anything goes here, but post links to back it up. The police are already an extension of the state so 'sleepwalked' into that a while back. We've still got a Police Force? in publicity yes, in reality we have a set of people in uniforms who are there just to protect the corporate giants world wide. someone gets caught stealing a t'uppney chew from asda, police catch em charge em off to court, largish fine someone breaks into your house steals thousands of pounds worth of stuff, police response oh it will be lucky if we catch em, meanwhile in court the guy who shoplifted that chew asks for 700 other offences to be taken into account, still gets a fine fer the chew ,let off of the other offences, and all ofr a sudden the crime rate in your are drops overnight.
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Post by inee on Aug 25, 2020 1:28:55 GMT
The WHO have predicted 2 years of 'disruption' from CV so seems Germany are aligning to that. German furlough seems a bit different to ours, it allows part time work, think it's costing them less too by that article. Personally think the UK furlough was a bit unfair, would have rather have seen something like UBI where everyone got the same amount of money per month, say £1500 to cover bills. UK furlough cut out millions of workers. Unfair in what way, as £1500 a month is a lot more than many people take home, so based on that figure what would happen to those who take home less when furlough is over and they had to live on a lower amount each month, it's easy to say oh well they should have planned for it but the more people get payed the more they spend out each month. The scheme is fair in that everyone gets their salary minus is it 20%, and lets be honest the 20% is probably not being missed in reality as that would have covered petrol, bus fares, lunch, kids luches etc
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Post by inee on Aug 25, 2020 1:18:23 GMT
The way to control the populous is through fear. Religion did this for centuries. Now we are more streetwise regarding that they have to devise new strategies. theres the whole noise/frequency, disruption technologies they were playing with, as far as i remember it's had a limited success in disrupting people gathering in certain places, works better on kids than adults as the majority of kids haven't damaged their hearing yet, As an interesting aside Lemmy was recounting his time in hawkwind where they would mess around with the Theremin they had on stage and noted different noise would make some people water themselves or blackout.
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Post by inee on Aug 25, 2020 0:54:24 GMT
Ok. I don't like to argue. Debate is ok, I understand... I thought it might be fun here . It's not ... I just wondered if anyone had a different perception. goodnight people. Up the gas , f**k the city I'm out of here Oi get yer arse back in yer
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Post by inee on Aug 25, 2020 0:48:21 GMT
and why is that, tis the surrender monkeys, not following the rules they agreed to, assylem seekers are these the same ones who were mostly of military age, well dressed, very similar haircuts, who walked what was it a thousand miles to get to europe. whilst still using their iphones . Didn't you find any of that strange, and i'll tell ee this if it was my country under attack ,even though I'm unfit, a bit too old for military service i would sign up straight away even if it was to man a checkpoint.
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Post by inee on Aug 25, 2020 0:39:29 GMT
Not the Leave campaign for sure. But in terms of facts and knowledge, that was a a pretty low bar. By voting for Brexit we will be able to control our borders how we want, with tighter restrictions to stop the mass immigration that is flooding the UK. They did say this right? I mean they actually convinced the voting stupid to put an x in the box with this crap yes? They are only coming because yet again the frogs are fecking us over, what should happen is the french navy should be picking them up and taking them back to france as per eu rules. So what they di is simply escort em across(as if they don't have them on board then they technically dont have to do anything. So nothing to do with brexit just the frogs being a bunch of ass hats as per normal. Simple cure is to snipe the boats one at a time they the french will have to take them onboard and back to france.
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Post by inee on Aug 25, 2020 0:21:53 GMT
yop youth opportunities programme yts youth training scheme created loads of jobs for school leavers, although some companies took the water, basically leave school ,if you dint already have a job you could go one one of these schemes, it was I think 2 years, with a company in the line of work you wanted, then they either let you go or took you on many people got an apprenticeship out of the scheme(A proper un not like today apprenticeship).
There was also another scheme a few years after that called employment training different than the other 2, you had to be on the dole to sign up and you basically got a work placement and most also had a college course thrown in, you got a tenner extra a week and travel expenses. Again some firms took the water a lot of jobs were filled via that scheme. this was late 70's early 80's, so 26 or so years back.
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Post by inee on Aug 24, 2020 20:34:17 GMT
I don't see anything unusual in this ,all Organisations undertake disaster planning even if the risk is slight they would be negligent not to. We will soon see how it goes once the posturing ends. Nothing wrong with planning, especially as we've seen the last few months that this administration cannot plan or organise to save their lives. The hilarious part was that this supposed to be 'the easiest deal in the world' and 'we have something that is oven ready'. Planning to airdrop supplies, economic chaos, soldiers on standby & the Navy being deployed doesn't really fit into the category or easy or oven ready. Dare I say if this planning was made public at the time, people may have thought differently about what/who they were voting for.But as Grover says, project fear. Of course this is an exaggeration and I very much doubt much/any of this will happen, but it'll be interesting to see what will actually happen. Surely if EU fishing boats come to our waters, sending the Navy might be viewed as a bit of an Iranian type of move?These things are planned all the time, not just for brexit or covid, how would you have voted during the 80's when cold war paranoia was at it's height(no thanks to crass and their rumours), when books were sent to every home in the uk. Showing you how to prepare for a nuclear attack, using doors and household items, within 3 minutes of a warning, was no fuc.k.ing use as it took 5 mins to find a screwdriver. yet alone find the kids, tump the mrs, convince the dog that the small space was ok for it to enter. The various forces in this country have exercises all the time, sometime you hear about them mostly you dont
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Post by inee on Aug 24, 2020 20:19:54 GMT
I can't remember if I mentioned this before, but voting age should be standardised across all industries IMO. I remember being 16 and having my part time job in Sainsbury's. My problem was that back then I was earning £4.54 per hour, I had to get the bus to work which cost about £6.50 return. At 16, you have to pay the adult price on the bus, despite not getting an adult wage - when I turned 18, my wage literally increased to about £6.20 per hour. How is that fair? 16 year olds have to (as their parents have to) pay full price on nearly everything, but get none of the benefits of life. The only real benefit you can have is if you commit a crime then you'll be treated as a juvenile. For me, if you start having 16 year olds pay more then they should be treated as an adult by law. Or the other way around, make everything 18. As it happens though, I don't think under 18s should vote in a general election. In a referendum though, I don't think there is any harm. What's the age of sexual consent and marriage? If you can do that and have children, which you can, not being afforded full adult rights is nonsensical. A joke. as i recall don't you need parents permission to marry at 16. T'udder side of the coin is if you leave the can have children in shouldn't the voting age be something like 11 for girls and 13 for boys, as an aside 16 is still way too young as most will be influenced by teachers in school etc. gassy, was on a yop/yts at sixteen so low pay, but we survived, if that was your wage then you could have got one of those bus pass thingies
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Post by inee on Aug 12, 2020 16:56:23 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53751017I know it’s the Russians so I’m 99% sure it isn’t legit ... however I would actually love for this to be legit. Might all be able to watch Rovers sooner rather than later. Ah, Russian news. Bags if that's the case may i suggest reading it slower
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