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Post by barbarycoaster on Jul 7, 2018 14:36:28 GMT
In my opinion, the greater fan base don’t really care whether it did or did not happen. It’s only a select few who have gotten revved up on OTIB who actually have a bee in their bonnet about it. If it has happened as Henbury says then it’s very sad. It would be equally sad if it’s a made up story. Exactly. Henbury started it all by making serious allegations on a public forum, but declining to involve the club involved or the police. The police have been alerted (not by him) so are trying to see if there is any evidence. OTIB having a friendly copper available for liaison is extremely positive and anybody opposing it here is making Gaschat look unnecessarily dodgy.
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Post by barbarycoaster on Jul 2, 2018 15:38:42 GMT
They've become a nursery club to their biggest rivals now hahaha Some irony in you being happy with Cardiff being “their biggest rivals” ....
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Post by barbarycoaster on Jun 23, 2018 19:16:33 GMT
A theory I've had about can distribution of Bristol football fans in Somerset relates to the railway system pre Richard beeching. A lot of Somerset was connected to east Bristol through the sdjr as where Weston, nailsea, portishead etc was connected to south Bristol on the gwr.... Ah,...“Pining” for the old days! 😉 Interesting theory but you could have easily changed from the S&D at Radstock or Wells to get on the GWR (Bristol & North Somerset Line) into Temple Meads and on to Parsons Street or Ashton Gate Station. If you sat on the S&D you would have ended up in Bath Green Park Station and then the closest you would get to Eastville would have been either Fishponds or Bristol St. Philips Station via Mangotsfield, which would have been one heck of a journey. It would still have been easier to get to Eastville from Stapleton Road on the GWR. If we are going down the history route I reckon the divide is a consequence of land ownership described in the Domesday Book. Bedminster was part of the Hartcliffe “hundred” which went as far south as Wrington and included Backwell, Bishopsworth and Knowle. It contained “25 villeins (serfs), 3 slaves, 22 smallholders (who were probably put out of business in 1082) and a priest. Unsurprisingly they had never paid any taxes to the King. Horfield (nearest place to Eastville) on the other hand, was in the Berkeley “hundred” which stretched north taking in places like Almondsbury and Slimbridge. We had way more villeins than them, 242 to be precise, but were more classy as we had 19 radknights (riding men, or men providing services on horseback). It’s just a shame that Horfield in Anglo-Saxon means “filthy open land!” Oh well. Of course before 1832 Ashton Gate was in Somerset.
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Post by barbarycoaster on Feb 3, 2018 21:16:47 GMT
So many people have it in for them because so many people expected the new owners to apply a money no object approach and buy our way to the Championship whilst at the same time going straight ahead with UWE and also a state-of-the-art training facility. No-one seemed to be listening when from the outset they were telling anyone who cared to listen that it would be a careful, considered approach, with sustainable development the key I would suggest that's what happening. They're not going to change their plans. We either accept that or in some way chase them out of the club. As they own the shop lock, stock and barrel I don't see what chance a few dozen people on an Internet forum have. Thank you God for DC. Yes, they aren't going anywhere. But just because there is a limit to their investment doesn't mean that should limit our ambition- hence why I would love to hear that they are investigating outside investment or such like. They might very well be, we just don't know, they don't tell us anything. But really, when everything has to be run via Hani (who is not interested football) it is easy to deduce from that that Dwane Sports are the only game in town and will continue to be the only game in town unless someone offers more than the whole lot is worth to take a debt ridden club off their hands. Never gonna happen. With the 12 million they have effectively put us beyond the reach of anyone else...except maybe Amanda Staveley. I hear she is looking to buy a club right now Have they “invested” anything at all though? So far they seem only to have acted like very cautious secured lenders. I can’t see they have risked anything - what investors do is risk their capital to improve an asset. To date they are acting exactly like the bankers they are. And until something is built, the training ground purchase could just be a disguised landbanking exercise, with profit possible via planning for housing.
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Post by barbarycoaster on Feb 3, 2018 20:54:50 GMT
What’s a “near wall plaque”? Does it hover in mid air?
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Post by barbarycoaster on Feb 3, 2018 20:47:33 GMT
And yet, higher attendances than we've had for, what, 40 years? Yeah you are right, people keep coming because the current team are likable and DC isnt bad either. We lose DC and i would wager those numbers will drop. If 8-9000 is considered good, where is this massive fan base that people keep talking about? 8000-9000 may be good for a market town like Shrewsbury, but not for one of England’s larger cities.
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Post by barbarycoaster on Feb 3, 2018 20:36:07 GMT
Can we please change the thread title. When I read the word proceeding the chorus of "we three kings" pops into my head....westward leading ,still proceeding. Its February now and this cant continue. I may need therapy. Westward leading ... Groundshare with Clevedon?
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Post by barbarycoaster on Jan 27, 2018 20:35:04 GMT
That is all well and good but how much time do they need just to come up with some artist's impressions for the redeveloped memorial stadium? We have had nothing but silence since the collapse of the UWE deal and even then they only told us when they did because a fan leaked the news. That news update by Hearts that Swiss Gas posted shows how badly run we are in contrast with others. Hearts are a club looking for full transparency from the top who wanted their fans to know they were making best endeavours to move the club forward. That would be such a quick win, for the club to be transparent, however Rovers fans get told that DS doesn't communicate with the media and far from being sceptical fans lap it up! So yes, they obviously need time but their sheer lack of any concrete plans and timescales and poor communication along the way paints DS as an organisation that has no idea what it is doing or what it's long term plan actually is. They have been here two years already and all we know is that there will be significant improvement to the toilets at the end of the season, significant improvement that would surely be wasted money if they were truly planning on redeveloping the stadium in the next 5 years? The uwe setback is very recent and theres no point in them communicating anything until they have decided what their plan is imo. The owners employed steve hamer to communicate because thats how they prefer to do things. The toilets and shop dont have to be affected by future ground improvements. I just think they need more time and its no good comparing us to city because their owner has written off £50-90m. A new all seater stand would be nice,it dosnt have to be a fully redeveloped stadium imo at least not straight away.
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Post by barbarycoaster on Jan 11, 2018 11:26:15 GMT
Why has this been moved? Because 1 person in power thinks it should be here. Bullshit. Because it’s not Rovers related, surely even you who often demands threads get moved should realise that. P.S well done Hugo, shame it wasn’t done weeks ago. Let’s face it, the thread has been moved to get the elephant out of room and into the garden shed, because the gap is growing. The even bigger Rovers thread on OTIB remains prominently displayed for the same reason. You don’t win any contest by pretending you’re not in it.
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Post by barbarycoaster on Jan 1, 2018 19:54:59 GMT
Is that all they took? water poor IMHO, even if is New years day and on tv! 2,000 according to R Bristol, which is hardly a massive following for NY's Day, perhaps they are saving their money for Man C! 2100, which is the full allocation Villa offered.
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Post by barbarycoaster on Dec 7, 2017 22:47:43 GMT
Good luck to them if they think they can make enough use of a stadium to justify the cost of building it. I can't see it unless as part of some nightmare scenario to get Bristol rugby their own stadium Lansdown doesn’t need to build a stadium for Bristol Rugby, as they can easily be accommodated at 27000 Ashton Gate without affecting City. The rugby revenue is part of that business plan. Why recreate the old geographical split?
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Post by barbarycoaster on Nov 26, 2017 22:19:34 GMT
That’s it! They thought they’d bought a gas field, not the Gas and a field! Lost in translation.
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Post by barbarycoaster on Nov 26, 2017 10:24:51 GMT
Why did the Al Qadis REALLY buy Rovers? Is there oil under the Mem? Can they afford to drill for it?
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Post by barbarycoaster on Nov 18, 2017 16:54:59 GMT
Let's admit it, a lot of the dark cloud over the club is down to rumours started on this forum. What, the rumours that the players can’t play?
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Post by barbarycoaster on Nov 18, 2017 16:02:13 GMT
The profit and loss account would look just as bad if losses are funded by shares or loan but if the loan carries interest the profit and loss would look worse. Shares however make the asset position of a company stronger as shares unlike a loan do not have to be repaid. So shares make the company more solvent. When did the Rovers accounts ever look good? and for that matter when was the Company solvent without the backing of the directors? And a loan/investment could be converted to shares at any time The loan could be converted to equity/shares at any time. If they choose to do that; but that would put Dwane behind all creditors in the event of a liquidation, should they inject more money than their security proves to be worth. At the moment, they are exhibiting the characteristics of prudent lenders rather than generous owners, in my humble opinion. Converting the loan to equity would put a much better light on things from a fan’s point of view.
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Post by barbarycoaster on Nov 16, 2017 15:02:43 GMT
Your analogy doesn't provide any reassurance; it sounds just as bad to me! Possibly. Provided the driver is earning a good living and pays at least the minimum monthly repayment then the credit card company will be happy. They are getting their money at an acceptable rate and if the card starts to get close to the agreed limit then it is likely that the limit will be increased. In addition, other card companies will see that he is a good payer and want to offer him their cards too. Credit card companies don't like defaulters, but neither do they particularly like those who clear their cards each month. They get their money through people paying off some as they can then charge interest. Their ideal person is someone in a steady job who spends and then pays off gradually (but not wholly) while still spending. Turning back to us, if Swiss's interest theory is right, then Dwane will know many who would be interested in investing for a 6% return (as bankers they will have their clients and contacts). The difficulty is in the servicing of the interest and eventual capital repayment which for me us why the UWE fell through, the club/Dwane couldn't get UWE to agree commercial revenue terms (as Bidefordgas suggested in a previous post). That said, I am pretty poor at getting even football scores right so probably am here too. Sadly, for a banker this is pretty nonsensical. The credit card company is lending unsecured at high rates of interest (say 30%) because of the high risks involved. It spreads its risks by lending relatively small amounts to lots of people. It can risk lending unsecured because the high interest paid by good customers covers the relatively low number of defaulters. Dwane is lending secured (so virtually no risk unless the value of the Mem is misjudged). It is lending at what - 6%? The “increased limit” won’t happen unless they are genuinely prepared to accept some unsecured risk, ie going beyond their prudent lender status. That’s all they appear to be at the moment. It is unlikely to have many clients who will lend at 6% unsecured to a small loss making football club with a net worth of zilch!!
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Post by barbarycoaster on Nov 16, 2017 14:45:45 GMT
Maybe recruiting a new owner would assist in affording some new players.
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Post by barbarycoaster on Nov 16, 2017 14:41:38 GMT
I would say the panic should be 75% on the financial front and only 25% on the dire run of form.
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Post by barbarycoaster on Nov 16, 2017 14:37:20 GMT
It’s harsh to say any unrest is without substance. Under the previous regime the club was losing money and increasing its debts to cover losses. It appeared on the brink of collapse and practical insolvency. So far, the new regime has covered more losses by lending the club more money, secured on its main asset. That has extended the life of the business but I don’t believe any new equity has been put in. If the new regime is merely a prudent lender (it may be no more) the time may have come when the secured loan has reached its limit, based on the value of the security.
If that is so, the future is extremely worrying. If not, we await to see the input of some equity capital, or the increase of the loans on an unsecured basis. Either of those would indicate a willingness to commit something beyond a banker’s involvement.
Financing a stadium without borrowing more money would of course change everything.
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Post by barbarycoaster on Nov 9, 2017 10:48:24 GMT
Past 10 years for Rovers 7010. The 10 years prior to Brighton moving was 6456. In their first season in the new stadium they averaged over 20k and averaged 27996 last season. Brighton since their move have not averaged less than 20k. Reading averaged 6590 prior to their move and last season averaged 17500. But there’s only one team in Brighton .... apologies. And Brighton’s six seasons in their new stadium have been in the Championship. You think Rovers would fill a 20000 stadium if it opened tomorrow? 10000-12000 looks like a sensible capacity as a compromise.
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