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Post by LJG on Aug 13, 2021 8:36:06 GMT
Barton was signed with one objective - getting enough points from the 20 games he was in total charge to keep the club in League 2. He says no manager could have kept the club up but equally I can't think of a league manager would would have done much worse apart from perhaps John Ward. That said I do expect result will improve as players return from injury and illness. FFS give a rest, last season's gone Any chance you can stop telling people to stop posting their opinions on a forum please? It's rude and idiotic. If you disagree with them say why but please just stop with this "meaningless forum" sh** any time you read something you don't like.
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Post by LJG on Aug 13, 2021 8:31:21 GMT
Rose coloured glasses? Think they're called results. 4th in the league and top over 46 games. What about that is untrue? 4th yes, but not sustainable. The number of games I watched where we played terribly but scrapped a win was unbelievable. So yes Rose Coloured glasses. Would we have been in this mess now had GC stayed, no, but don't delude yourself about championship potential. Not sustainable. Do you understand what I've said? If you took the last 46 games that GC was in charge and plotted that as a league table - though it spanned two different seasons - we would have been top of that league. How is that not sustainable? It already was sustainable. It had been sustained over those 46 games. You're basically saying it's possible to fluke winning the league. Who's deluding themselves? Me who has proved what I've said by looking at the stats or you who's proved nothing?
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Post by LJG on Aug 11, 2021 20:23:38 GMT
That's your opinion which isn't supported by the facts. We were 4th when he left and if you took the last 46 games he was in charge (the equivalent of a season) we would have been champions. Luck? Rubbish. Not rubbish at all. Your just looking at through rose coloured glasses... Rose coloured glasses? Think they're called results. 4th in the league and top over 46 games. What about that is untrue?
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Post by LJG on Aug 11, 2021 20:22:40 GMT
Luck had us top of a 46 game run across two seasons? Yeah right. And as I've already said - what that theory ignores is the fact JCH wasn't always available to GC and we won those games without him. Gc didn’t keep us up that first season. Jch did. Regardless of how many games he played or didn’t play he single handedly kept us up. Without his goals we went down simple. Regardless of how many games he played or didn't play he single handedly kept us up? Does that definitely make sense? No it doesn't. You're pretending something is true that isn't. If we won games that JCH didn't play JCH didn't win us the game did he? This is what I'm talking about. This irrational desire not to acknowledge achievement and to overhype shitness.
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Post by LJG on Aug 11, 2021 19:57:52 GMT
It's not true that JCH was the only reason GC had success- there were GC wins with JCH out injured. It's also not true that performances were sh**e. sh**e performances and "sneaking" wins does not get you 4th in the league and top over the course of his last 46 games. Performances were unpopular but there you go - I think that's the answer to your question. We have a fan base that doesn't know what's good for it. We have fans praising our two worst managers in recent history (BG and JB) to high heaven while tearing down the bloke who had us 4th in reality and top over an equivalent of one season's worth of games as "sh**e" and "sneaky". We have a fan base who will bemoan the fact that a bloke who scored four goals in three seasons wasn't given another three year deal while saying that they'd drive Ellis, a key part of two promotion seasons, to his next club themselves. We're willing to put up with saying "give it ten more games ... give it till Christmas" every season then wondering why we never achieve anything. We're happy to have "the most naturally gifted player" who scores f**k all. Give it a minute and Topper will be along to tell me to stop posting opinions on a "meaningless forum". Seriously, it's all the fans fault? So does that mean if the whole fan base got behind JB results would improve? As far as GC whether fans liked his style of play or not, ironically most were probably backing him after the Ipswich win, we had no control over him being poached by Mansfield. Why do you post such meaningless things on this meaningless forum? DC and GC both left abruptly. Plenty of people have plenty of theories about the behind the scenes reasons for those. Everyone trying to read between the lines. Maybe there wasn't a behind the scenes reason. Maybe they were just fed up with sh** they got when they actually weren't doing that bad a job. Don't believe the fans have an impact on players and managers making those sorts of decisions? Ask Ellis who deleted his entire social media presence for the sh** he got when he was a central part of our promotions.
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Post by LJG on Aug 11, 2021 19:55:49 GMT
With respect that's nonsense and a fairly good illustration of what I'm talking about. The results papered over the cracks?! The results nearly had us in the Championship! Give me that wallpaper and those cracks any day. If that was papering over the cracks this guy has started a house fire and split the gas main. It would have never got us to the championship. He had enough luck for the next 3 managers. Maybe that our problem... That's your opinion which isn't supported by the facts. We were 4th when he left and if you took the last 46 games he was in charge (the equivalent of a season) we would have been champions. Luck? Rubbish.
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Post by LJG on Aug 11, 2021 19:54:23 GMT
It's not true that JCH was the only reason GC had success- there were GC wins with JCH out injured. It's also not true that performances were sh**e. sh**e performances and "sneaking" wins does not get you 4th in the league and top over the course of his last 46 games. Performances were unpopular but there you go - I think that's the answer to your question. We have a fan base that doesn't know what's good for it. We have fans praising our two worst managers in recent history (BG and JB) to high heaven while tearing down the bloke who had us 4th in reality and top over an equivalent of one season's worth of games as "sh**e" and "sneaky". We have a fan base who will bemoan the fact that a bloke who scored four goals in three seasons wasn't given another three year deal while saying that they'd drive Ellis, a key part of two promotion seasons, to his next club themselves. We're willing to put up with saying "give it ten more games ... give it till Christmas" every season then wondering why we never achieve anything. We're happy to have "the most naturally gifted player" who scores f**k all. Give it a minute and Topper will be along to tell me to stop posting opinions on a "meaningless forum". Performances under gc were Dam dire 🤣. How we won some of those matches il never know he had more luck than any gas manager I’ve seen. Don’t get me wrong was lovely being up to 4th but it’s a fact that without jch even with all gcs luck we would have got relegated that first season. I’d rather jump in the feeder with concrete blocks on my feet than watch a dvd collection of rovers under him 🤮 Luck had us top of a 46 game run across two seasons? Yeah right. And as I've already said - what that theory ignores is the fact JCH wasn't always available to GC and we won those games without him.
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Post by LJG on Aug 11, 2021 18:34:46 GMT
It's not true that JCH was the only reason GC had success- there were GC wins with JCH out injured. It's also not true that performances were sh**e. sh**e performances and "sneaking" wins does not get you 4th in the league and top over the course of his last 46 games. Performances were unpopular but there you go - I think that's the answer to your question. We have a fan base that doesn't know what's good for it. We have fans praising our two worst managers in recent history (BG and JB) to high heaven while tearing down the bloke who had us 4th in reality and top over an equivalent of one season's worth of games as "sh**e" and "sneaky". We have a fan base who will bemoan the fact that a bloke who scored four goals in three seasons wasn't given another three year deal while saying that they'd drive Ellis, a key part of two promotion seasons, to his next club themselves. We're willing to put up with saying "give it ten more games ... give it till Christmas" every season then wondering why we never achieve anything. We're happy to have "the most naturally gifted player" who scores f**k all. Give it a minute and Topper will be along to tell me to stop posting opinions on a "meaningless forum". I hear you LJG, I do know that GC was a 'Whiley old goat' and I respect that. The weird thing is that he was able to do the same thing with Mansfield. My hunch is two players: Jakola JCH I reckon (and please some get the stats to prove me right or wrong) that GC had more minutes out of these two players than any other manager. I can't say you're wrong on that stat, I think there was more to it though. Abu Ogogo played a significant part in breaking things down in midfield. Tony Craig and Kilgour were reliable at the back and I always thought worthy of it if we were to go up. I just think it overlooks what the squad had as a unit to say JCH and Jaakkola carried the rest.
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Post by LJG on Aug 11, 2021 18:31:20 GMT
With respect that's nonsense and a fairly good illustration of what I'm talking about. The results papered over the cracks?! The results nearly had us in the Championship! Give me that wallpaper and those cracks any day. If that was papering over the cracks this guy has started a house fire and split the gas main. I didn't say there was anything wrong with the results but to say many of the wins under GC were well deserved off the back off a good performance then we will have to agree to disagree. I guess it depends on what you consider a good performance. Being hard to score against and relying on your fitness to score late on in the game is a pretty tried and tested recipe for success. It's not pretty but I think if that's the game plan and execution is successful I don't think that can be called a bad performance.
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Post by LJG on Aug 11, 2021 18:20:40 GMT
It's not true that JCH was the only reason GC had success- there were GC wins with JCH out injured. It's also not true that performances were sh**e. sh**e performances and "sneaking" wins does not get you 4th in the league and top over the course of his last 46 games. Performances were unpopular but there you go - I think that's the answer to your question. We have a fan base that doesn't know what's good for it. We have fans praising our two worst managers in recent history (BG and JB) to high heaven while tearing down the bloke who had us 4th in reality and top over an equivalent of one season's worth of games as "sh**e" and "sneaky". We have a fan base who will bemoan the fact that a bloke who scored four goals in three seasons wasn't given another three year deal while saying that they'd drive Ellis, a key part of two promotion seasons, to his next club themselves. We're willing to put up with saying "give it ten more games ... give it till Christmas" every season then wondering why we never achieve anything. We're happy to have "the most naturally gifted player" who scores f**k all. Give it a minute and Topper will be along to tell me to stop posting opinions on a "meaningless forum". Totally disagree, we were awful in a lot of games under GC but frequently came away with points. The results papered over the cracks. With respect that's nonsense and a fairly good illustration of what I'm talking about. The results papered over the cracks?! The results nearly had us in the Championship! Give me that wallpaper and those cracks any day. If that was papering over the cracks this guy has started a house fire and split the gas main.
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Post by LJG on Aug 11, 2021 18:14:31 GMT
I don't want this to be a JB bashing thread as I have done that elsewhere. This a is real question, what is going wrong with the club? We had the last season of DC, performances were sh**e. Then we had GC, performances were sh**e but we managed to sneak loads of wins mainly due to JCH and having a defence that no one seemed to be able to breach. Clearly we relied on JCH to paper over the cracks but we were hard to score against. Then under the next three managers we were/are reasonably easy to score against. This is bigger that JB (as much as I hate the guy, he has walked into something that I don't think he expected and I do have a very small violin playing a sad song for him). What do we have to do as a club to move forward? What is the root cause to our situation? It cannot be just one person as it seems to be groundhog day. WTF is it? It's not true that JCH was the only reason GC had success- there were GC wins with JCH out injured. It's also not true that performances were sh**e. sh**e performances and "sneaking" wins does not get you 4th in the league and top over the course of his last 46 games. Performances were unpopular but there you go - I think that's the answer to your question. We have a fan base that doesn't know what's good for it. We have fans praising our two worst managers in recent history (BG and JB) to high heaven while tearing down the bloke who had us 4th in reality and top over an equivalent of one season's worth of games as "sh**e" and "sneaky". We have a fan base who will bemoan the fact that a bloke who scored four goals in three seasons wasn't given another three year deal while saying that they'd drive Ellis, a key part of two promotion seasons, to his next club themselves. We're willing to put up with saying "give it ten more games ... give it till Christmas" every season then wondering why we never achieve anything. We're happy to have "the most naturally gifted player" who scores f**k all. Give it a minute and Topper will be along to tell me to stop posting opinions on a "meaningless forum".
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Post by LJG on Aug 11, 2021 10:17:48 GMT
Cheltenham may have made 7 changes from Saturday but they still kept the spine of the team and had ten of their players who were in their team on Saturday available and a new signing Vassell on the bench. We have by my reckoning Coutts, Jaakkola, Hools, Hughes, Clarke, Harries, Rodman, Finley, Nicholson, Pitman, Collins, Hanlan and 2 more signings coming in, Thats 14 players who did not play last night and doesnt even consider Bubb, Hargreaves, Mehew, Tomlinson, Martinez,Walker and Barrett!! Cheltenham also had pretty well the same squad from last season and are on a high after being promoted as Champions. The big problem at the moment as I see it is that there are quite a few players in our squad who pretty well know from the number of new signings that they have little to no chance of being in the team when the players return. My biggest worry is that even when all the players are fit we still plan to play one up front. You can only field a team of 11 players, Steve. Or is that r Joey's latest excuse that he's going to write to Mike Dean about?
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Post by LJG on Aug 11, 2021 10:13:04 GMT
richmace, They are not excuses though are they. They are facts. Its ok saying he chose to not build on the current team but can you honestly say that you would want to build on the players we had last season? Last nights team was nowhere near the best team he could have put out but had he put a strong team out and lost two of them to injuries people would be saying he should have played a weakened side. Who would be a Manager eh? If all managers got as much support as you give r Joey, Steve everyone would want to be one!
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Post by LJG on Aug 11, 2021 9:21:04 GMT
So following the interview last night and and as we know, there will be more departures. I can see these as; - Baldwin - Westbrook - Liddle - Hargreaves - Barrett Anyone else have any thoughts How refreshing to finally have a list of players we need to ship out without Kyle Bennett being on it.
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Post by LJG on Aug 11, 2021 9:05:12 GMT
Cheltenham much slicker than us in every way.How can Cheltenham be in a higher division than us? I know the answer is obvious but it hurts. In training this week please can we practise shooting or something??? Lose Sat and crowds will evaporate. Linesey scored his pen in the shoot off last night and no doubt will be up for it.Hope he gets a warm welcome. Sercs got a warm welcome last night so Lines should come SaturdayNot THAT warm, surely?
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Post by LJG on Aug 11, 2021 8:34:53 GMT
We were outplayed, but it could have been different if the ref or linesman had opened their eyes when their gk clearly left the box to catch the ball. Joey? Is that you?
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Post by LJG on Aug 10, 2021 21:09:31 GMT
My memory is not what it was but think the last game I attended before covid was a similar match that Gas won 3-0. I know it wasn't a league match as tickets were only a tenner? The Matrix has you, Neo.
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Post by LJG on Aug 10, 2021 21:08:57 GMT
Back to ten more games even though we've just played two. It's 2020 all over again! I think tonights result will fade into irrelevance if we can get a result Saturday.... However, if we don't win Saturday this result will stick like aphids on a sticky stick.. As is the usual script we will draw on Saturday and lose the next game. In the last 20 years I think we've taken more than a point from the first three games about twice. At least that's how it seems.
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Post by LJG on Aug 10, 2021 21:03:28 GMT
Back to ten more games even though we've just played two. It's 2020 all over again! It's all part of an annual event Groundhog Day.
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Post by LJG on Aug 10, 2021 20:58:05 GMT
Ha ha🤣 You could say there are none so blind than those that will not see. What's his win ratio? Yes it's terrible, that much is beyond dispute but I'm prepared to wait and see what might be achieved over the next 9 or 10 games. A degree of realistic optimism is maintained on my part. Back to ten more games even though we've just played two. It's 2020 all over again!
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