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Post by LJG on Jul 13, 2021 6:33:14 GMT
What else can we do? Taking the knee clearly isn't very effective. It's got people talking but has also been created more division at times. Southgate is doing a good job of uniting us. It must be demoralising for him though, seeing all his efforts to unite us get ruined by a few idiots. I almost feel Southgate should stay in his role for the purpose of changing the culture of England "fans" alone. Maybe stop booing national anthems as a start?
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Post by LJG on Jul 12, 2021 15:52:15 GMT
What I meant is, after the world cup you said we would never have such an easy route to a final again. But now you're saying it again. They can't both be true. Either after the world cup we would never have such an easy route again and this wasn't an easy route; or This was an easy route and as such it's conceivable we might have one again. How did you know what I said after the World Cup? To be honest I cant remember saying that, maybe i did, maybe I didnt. Don't think I would have said we'd never get an easier route again, how would i possibly know?. More like we've never had a better chance to win the trophy. The World Cup on paper seemed easier in terms of opposition, although in the Euros we had imo a better squad AND had home advantage for all but 1 game, plus Italys best player was out, so I think I was right in my statement today. Sorry, I've read so much entitled bollocks from England fans over the last three weeks I was sure I'd read it here. In any event people said it then and are saying it now so my point stands, as there was in 2018 there is no way now to predict what the draw will be at the next tournament.
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Post by LJG on Jul 12, 2021 14:43:19 GMT
It was almost as straightforward in the last world cup. Southgate has been lucky with the way the fixtures have gone in both tournaments, and imo makes an average manager look better than he is. 2 players taking pens in from the cold, 1 taking his first ever penalty. No surprises they all missed. Bad game management What I meant is, after the world cup you said we would never have such an easy route to a final again. But now you're saying it again. They can't both be true. Either after the world cup we would never have such an easy route again and this wasn't an easy route; or This was an easy route and as such it's conceivable we might have one again.
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Post by LJG on Jul 12, 2021 13:21:01 GMT
What a load of rubbish. Switching to a back 3 v Germany playing saka when everyone wanted sancho and grealish turned out to be a masters trike and playing sancho against Ukraine all his decisions that worked out well. Ye last night he could of made subs earlier or picked a different penalty line up but that’s all hindsight, to say we got to final in spite of him and lost because of him is wrong and even if true it still took a team unbeaten in 30 odd games 120 mins and penalties to beat us. There has never been an easier route to winning a major trophy... and we blew it. Southgate more interested in not losing than winning (even in the final!!) You said that last time?
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Post by LJG on Jul 12, 2021 13:20:37 GMT
I'm not convinced. I can only see us getting better. Sadly I think this has proven that this team are bottlers, just like teams before. It could take us 10 years to reach another final. This team aren’t that good that they’re getting to finals every tournament. We had 2 of our best chances with the route through and bottled it. We should be ashamed, not proud, of what happened. I’ve had enough of England teams doing this- all my life it’s been the same. Meanwhile Italy, Spain, even Croatia have been ahead of us. Greece are ahead in the modern era as are Denmark. The Italians are even worse than we are in the pressure on the team. It’s about time we called out failure for what it is and start with other players if these guys are going to bottle it. Undefeated in match play during the whole tournament I can't see how that reconciles with being "bottlers"?
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Post by LJG on Jul 12, 2021 10:54:31 GMT
Cant help thinking that like the 82ers v Hull, this might be an opportunity we regret for many years. We were too negative second half and should have introduced Grealish not Hendo, and should have changed tactics at half time. I'm not convinced. I can only see us getting better.
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Post by LJG on Jul 12, 2021 10:38:29 GMT
So am I supposed to enjoy seeing foreign citizens mock our country when I am proud of being English? A country (i.e. England) that commits crazy self-harm (i.e. Brexit) and elects a right-wing Nationalistic government headed by a lying devious incompetent clown deserves ridicule as was U.S. under Trump. Hmm ... maybe stick this sort of stuff in General Chat hey?
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Post by LJG on Jul 12, 2021 10:29:04 GMT
What are you actually saying though, he should stay or go and, if it's the latter, what English manager is going to do any better than Southgate, given that the Premiership is now dominated by foreign managers. I'm saying he's earned the right to stay but I don't think we will win anything under him. I think the world Cup next year should be his last chance. You'll get splinters in your backside sitting on the fence like that.
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Post by LJG on Jul 12, 2021 9:46:43 GMT
Economics mostly. Earnings as a non-skilled worker here are probably three times that of a professional requiring university education in Romania for example. You can't blame people for wanting to give their families a better quality of life. Are there not other countries they can do this where they will not be so filled with hatred for where they CHOOSE to live? I find it all very sad tbh. Visa restrictions mean it's not as easy. Which is probably why you've seen a change in people since Brexit. My cousin is a mechanic in Qatar - he says it's exactly the same there only their workers are from other middle eastern and east African countries. Same dynamic of resentment from those workers. He also says the racism there is unbelievably bad compared to here. To the point where some of the stuff they do would be illegal here - different holiday rules for different races for example.
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Post by LJG on Jul 12, 2021 9:33:25 GMT
It’s not overly complicated why other countries dislike the English, we’re seen by many as a yob nation. Football and tourism has exacerbated that opinion over the last 50 years. The booing of anthems and the scenes in London last night do little to change that. We have now developed a “no one likes us we don’t care attitude” Why live here then? Economics mostly. Earnings as a non-skilled worker here are probably three times that of a professional requiring university education in Romania for example. You can't blame people for wanting to give their families a better quality of life.
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Post by LJG on Jul 12, 2021 9:31:22 GMT
And just to stir it up even more, the weakest link out there last night was Harry Kane. In my opinion. 1 through pass, 1 penalty, but spent the other 119 minutes doing absolutely nothing. Supposed to be our main striker, and Captain. Didn't do either job very well. There, said it. If he'd played his natural game as an out and out 9 we would have won. In fact you can see that the first goal was partially as a result of the Italian defence anticipating that that was how he was going to play. The Denmark game as well, Saka made some great runs down the wing but had no one in the box to deliver the cross too. It felt like this was a tactic from the manager.
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Post by LJG on Jul 12, 2021 8:41:49 GMT
Perspective. It's just the latest excuse for something that didn't have a name before. Nothing has changed. I disagree and I've seen it first hand believe me but there you are. Same. First hand in 90, 96, 98.
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Post by LJG on Jul 12, 2021 8:39:09 GMT
Exactly. You can't think he's that bad a manager. BOOOOMMMMM!!!!! Again, I've not said he's that bad a manager. I've been consistent with that. How am I supposed to know that if you delete your posts? Pretty sure you said he should go. BOOM!
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Post by LJG on Jul 12, 2021 8:38:21 GMT
Don't think you can really talk about being "beat in an argument". You come up with the absolute worst takes of the tournament then delete them to pretend you didn't. Would love to see all the betting slips for all these wildly successful bets you constantly put on ... who's your bookie? The Tooth Fairy? Boom. What's all this about "takes"? What are you booming? Your absolute shocker of a take.
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Post by LJG on Jul 12, 2021 8:36:57 GMT
I bet England before the Germany game so not that shocking 😉 we've picked up a lot since the Scotland game. Arise Sir Gareth. @ljg is this the post you were referring to? The one that I so say "deleted". Exactly. You can't think he's that bad a manager. BOOOOMMMMM!!!!!
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Post by LJG on Jul 12, 2021 8:35:47 GMT
You delete so many posts it's hard to tell. Exactly. Once you get beat in an argument, you make up crap. Same old, same old. Don't think you can really talk about being "beat in an argument". You come up with the absolute worst takes of the tournament then delete them to pretend you didn't. Would love to see all the betting slips for all these wildly successful bets you constantly put on ... who's your bookie? The Tooth Fairy? Boom.
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Post by LJG on Jul 12, 2021 8:30:19 GMT
Errr ... you said you bet England before the tournament ... think you might be making things up. Where did I say that..? You delete so many posts it's hard to tell.
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Post by LJG on Jul 12, 2021 8:28:37 GMT
Thought you bet on England before the tournament? You can't think he's that bad then. Make your mind up. I bet us EW so I made a profit. I felt if we got past Germany then we would likely get to the final, and we did. We had a great chance too. Errr ... you said you bet England before the tournament ... think you might be making things up.
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Post by LJG on Jul 12, 2021 8:27:51 GMT
Bollocks, it's been the same for decades. Nothing to do with Brexit. If you're talking about banter then yes, but the hatred not so much so. I've witnessed a big difference in Eastern Europeans living in this country since brexit. Perspective. It's just the latest excuse for something that didn't have a name before. Nothing has changed.
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Post by LJG on Jul 12, 2021 8:26:00 GMT
Hindsight, hindsight, hindsight…if Stones had had as thick a forehead as Maguire he’d have headed that cross into the back of the net and everyone would be calling for Southgate to be knighted. The way they started carving through us in the second half suggests that a more gung ho approach might just as easily have had us two down as two up. He ended up undefeated in terms of match minutes at this tournament…don’t see any need to throw the baby out with the bath water It's not hindsight though is it. It's the same mistake as we made 3 years ago. And then bringing 2 players on for the sole purpose of taking penalties?! I was shouting at my TV that was a bad idea (as I'm sure others were) , so again can't be called hindsight. Thought you bet on England before the tournament? You can't think he's that bad then. Make your mind up.
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