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Post by LJG on Sept 2, 2021 8:51:11 GMT
I have seen it on here as well and loads of times from City fans on various medias. Can't say that I can recall ever seeing Swissgas making any racists comments towards Wael or anybody else though. Let me be clear. I am in no way accusing swissgas of making racist comments. To my knowledge Swissgas has never made a racist comment in his life. I have never read anything by Swissgas which can be said to be racist. I apologise if that is the impression I gave. However, there is a usual hardcore of Wael skeptics, Swiss is prominent among those, and the narrative from those Wael skeptics gives the strong impression that Wael not being British is factorial in their dislike of his ownership of the club.
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Post by LJG on Sept 2, 2021 8:07:48 GMT
You've never seen the phrase "fake sheikh" used? No I haven't sorry, but if you feel strongly enough about it why didn't you report it rather than whine about it on another forum? “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Edmund Burke. I've logged in over there probably twice in the last three years or so. I don't think there is the function to report posts if not logged in.
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Post by LJG on Sept 2, 2021 8:02:46 GMT
Is that really true? I dip my toe in the water over there occasionally, and have never read anything approaching racism about Wael, veiled or otherwise. I have seen posts suggesting a foreign owner doesn't 'get' our history and might not be in it for the long haul. Is that what you mean? As a moderator on 'the other forum' we deal with all reports of racism very seriously as soon as we receive and pick up a complaint. As moderators we simply don't have time to read every post and rely on posters to report anything that breaks forum rules or could be considered racist, homophobic etc. @ljg obviously doesn't feel that strongly about it enough to report it! Perhaps if he/she would like to report to us on the forum we can deal with it. Regards Cheshire You've never seen the phrase "fake sheikh" used?
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Post by LJG on Sept 2, 2021 8:01:26 GMT
Come on yatton. Read what I said, it wasn’t a long post. I keep out of the political stuff just as I keep out of it on here. Both are very similar, not much difference. But the point is that this twitter stuff is bad and I hope the perpetrator is found and dealt with. Pointing at the other forum isn’t likely to resolve it. And before anyone starts, I’ve done the same over there when they start pointing the finger at this place over other issues. Just accept they are different forums. UTG! Wish more people were like you and I fully agree that linking this in any way to either forum is totally wrong. We have had our share of posters with dubious opinions and I'm sure Moderators of both forums do their very best to eradicate outright abuse. For all we know, the twitter user could be a user of this forum. Let's not judge until the facts are clearer. I wasn't linking anything to either forum. I was simply stating that the use of the phrase "fake sheikh" appears on both forums and that it appears to me that a large part of the problem that people like Swiss and others have with Wael is that he is not British. I'm not clear on what's so controversial about saying that?
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Post by LJG on Sept 2, 2021 7:56:44 GMT
Well the "fake sheikh" sh** went on on here for long enough and still goes on on gasheads.org. This is a disgrace but barely one step removed. If anything they are suspicious of foreign ownership hence them calling into question his wealth continually. It seems my original post has been deleted?
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Post by LJG on Sept 2, 2021 7:55:50 GMT
Well the "fake sheikh" sh** went on on here for long enough and still goes on on gasheads.org. This is a disgrace but barely one step removed. Is that really true? I dip my toe in the water over there occasionally, and have never read anything approaching racism about Wael, veiled or otherwise. I have seen posts suggesting a foreign owner doesn't 'get' our history and might not be in it for the long haul. Is that what you mean? I've certainly seen the "fake sheikh" business bandied about on there. Not sure how much more racist you can get.
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Post by LJG on Sept 1, 2021 20:07:48 GMT
What an absolutely bollocks response that is. I posted a simple statement of fact. A bald, objectively provable thing about the number of appearances the defence and keeper have made for Cheltenham. Facts are neither positive nor negative; they are just pieces of information which exist whetheryou like it or not. So having posted a plain statement of fact without commentary, Rich comes along with snide comments about my personal life and he is followed up by others. Just because I deleted my comment last night and apologised for the way in which it was posted doesn't mean I don't think I had a right to tell Rich to do one. Only fundamentalist religious groups believe things in the absence of evidence and repeat mantras over and over and condone people for making simple statements of fact. I’ve been told to do one. As it happens, I’m still here. 😂😂 I’m Not remotely religious. Remaining positive after last night’s performance. Ever so hopeful that we can build on the performance and fans respect one another. Together we can inspire the team to promotion. It’s what they talk about, so must we. We are all supporters and want the best for our club. You talk and act like a religious zealot. Repeating the same mantras endlessly. Insulting those who don't subscribe to your world view. Ignoring evidence to the contrary of what you believe.
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Post by LJG on Sept 1, 2021 12:15:34 GMT
But what was said to and about Roverdrive after Exeter like the text message nonsense was ok? Im not having a go with you here or trying to score points. I'm just using this as an example. Nothing more and nothing less.
I don't want anyone to fall out. I missed what was said from LJG but I'm glad LJG said sorry and it has been accepted and dealt with. But let's not throw stones in greenhouses. There has been an awful lot of insults thrown around and in recent weeks, many posters have tried telling people to stop and many posters have left the site. Some posters just refuse to post because they know no matter what they say, it will get attacked. A forum shouldn't be like this. Chat, comment and debate is what a forum is about. Yeah we are a divided fan base. JB is the main reason for that. But this insults and stirring has to stop. We won tonight. Im dead against JB but I am delighted we won and played well too. I have stated this several times this evening and said my feet is firmly on the ground though due to the level of the opposition we faced. But a win should breed confidence and I hope it carries into Saturday which will be very different. For this opinion I was insulted. I mean come on. This is all getting very stupid.
I'm done for tonight. This place sucks sometimes. It's great that when someone does something wrong, they take ownership for that and says sorry. Takes a strong person to do that in front of the whole forum. Meanwhile someone who has been treated very badly recently, refuses to post on here anymore in order not to create friction because he knows whatever he says will get attacked and bullied and no remorse is shown. Just wish people on all sides can be grown ups. If these were your kids doing this to each other, you'll all be giving them a slap. So follow your own advice guys. Build bridges and move on and get stronger. Close the divide.
This issue is we were all being fairly positive on this thread after a good win but then you started questioning whether or not it was a good win. What response did you really expect, posters to thank you for highlighting that we hadn't beaten Cheltenham's strongest side, when we all knew that anyway? What an absolutely bollocks response that is. I posted a simple statement of fact. A bald, objectively provable thing about the number of appearances the defence and keeper have made for Cheltenham. Facts are neither positive nor negative; they are just pieces of information which exist whetheryou like it or not. So having posted a plain statement of fact without commentary, Rich comes along with snide comments about my personal life and he is followed up by others. Just because I deleted my comment last night and apologised for the way in which it was posted doesn't mean I don't think I had a right to tell Rich to do one. Only fundamentalist religious groups believe things in the absence of evidence and repeat mantras over and over and condone people for making simple statements of fact.
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Post by LJG on Aug 31, 2021 21:15:29 GMT
I deleted it when Yatton was quoting it. I apologise. Fair enough. I don’t want anyone to fall out. I’m sorry if my posts cause high emotions. Let’s just enjoy tonight and of course look for improvements tomorrow. Let’s enjoy the victory and build on it. Thanks. I apologise again.
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Post by LJG on Aug 31, 2021 21:10:03 GMT
I live a perfectly wonderful life full of joy thank you. You know nothing about me. I just don't need to delude myself about something that's not real. We beat a team whose line-up on the official papa johns trophy page didn't even have names for all of the players. Oh and since when have form charts lumped league and cup games together? They haven't. Why do you think that is? Sorry, I didn't know there was an official form chart format, hopefully I can reproduce the same chart on Saturday excluding the cup game. There's no way I've just discovered something Topper didn't know! I hope you can reproduce the same on Saturday too.
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Post by LJG on Aug 31, 2021 21:07:46 GMT
Before it gets excessively personal - just a request to keep it classy. Remember to attack the post, not the poster. Cheers. I deleted it when Yatton was quoting it. I apologise.
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Post by LJG on Aug 31, 2021 21:07:05 GMT
You do let yourself down at times LJG . I had already deleted it as you were quoting it. I apologise.
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Post by LJG on Aug 31, 2021 20:49:58 GMT
Some sit about looking for progress where there is none so they can continue in their delusions. What a life they must live. In fairness, even if deluded, they must live a happier life than you 😉 I genuinely doubt that. I live every day happy and grateful. Nothing to do with pretending we're world beaters because we beat a back three with a lad who made a handful of appearances for Bath City last year.
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Post by LJG on Aug 31, 2021 20:43:41 GMT
Some sit about looking for progress where there is none so they can continue in their delusions. What a life they must live. So you don't think winning 2-0 is progress, thereby making our current form W:2, D:1, L:1? If you just look for failure in life it must be quite a sad one you live. I live a perfectly wonderful life full of joy thank you. You know nothing about me. I just don't need to delude myself about something that's not real. We beat a team whose line-up on the official papa johns trophy page didn't even have names for all of the players. Oh and since when have form charts lumped league and cup games together? They haven't. Why do you think that is?
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Post by LJG on Aug 31, 2021 19:43:43 GMT
The Cheltenham back 3 and keeper have made 26 appearances between them. Some sit about with a bucket of ice cold water looking to Chuck it on any post that suggests progress. What a life they must live. Some sit about looking for progress where there is none so they can continue in their delusions. What a life they must live.
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Post by LJG on Aug 31, 2021 19:34:45 GMT
We're getting good at this football lark, who needs new players. The Cheltenham back 3 and keeper have made 26 appearances between them.
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Post by LJG on Aug 31, 2021 18:47:00 GMT
Thought you were saying he's a higher standard? He is. He plays for Portsmouth. They're in League One. I know it hurts to admit but we're currently a League Two team.
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Post by LJG on Aug 31, 2021 16:37:19 GMT
Plays. Portsmouth are in League One. As things stand - plays. And they're prepared to let him go? Why are you asking me?
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Post by LJG on Aug 31, 2021 16:10:01 GMT
If we fail to bring in 4/5 players like he said he wanted then I could very easily see JB turn on the club by saying how can he work within a limited budget and gain promotion etc. That could well be his new go to card from now until January. To be fair to JB I can't see how we can get promoted without a recognised another striker with a reasonable resent scoring record, which is the reason why we were relegated last season. How is that being fair to him? He's the one who insists on having full control of the recruitment process.
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Post by LJG on Aug 31, 2021 15:50:40 GMT
Who plays further up the football pyramid than Rovers. Played. Plays. Portsmouth are in League One. As things stand - plays.
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