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Post by LJG on Aug 31, 2021 15:42:04 GMT
Funny isn't it. People always talk about how much a player runs around or jumps for headers as a measure of whether they are worthy of playing for the mighty Rovers and yet some of our worst players ever have run around and jumped about loads and some of our best didn't run around much and never jumped up and down. It's almost as if the people who worry about the running and jumping don't know what they're talking about. Or they know what they're talking about when a player doesn't jump, doesn't run, doesn't chase, doesn't lay a ball off, doesn't create anything, but hey, he's a really nice Guy. Who plays further up the football pyramid than Rovers.
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Post by LJG on Aug 31, 2021 15:36:32 GMT
The football league is upside-down! Deluded. I never said the league was upside down, I just implied Ellis is ever so slightly overrated by elements of the fan base… in my opinion. Well the chairmen at Ipswich and Portsmouth aren't Rovers fans presumably? Presumably they would require some impartial assessment of his footballing ability before agreeing to sign him?
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Post by LJG on Aug 31, 2021 15:28:52 GMT
Hmm ... theres is just the small matter of the level he's played at since he left vs Rovers relative level. You say level he’s played at like he plays week in week out… bench warming squad man, he was ok in the conference… we are above his level The football league is upside-down! Deluded.
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Post by LJG on Aug 31, 2021 15:27:47 GMT
He was never and never will be too good for this club…. But don't forget those important goals you can count on one hand and how much he chased everything down, the keepers, the defence, if you're really careful you could almost remember him breaking into a slight trot. Funny isn't it. People always talk about how much a player runs around or jumps for headers as a measure of whether they are worthy of playing for the mighty Rovers and yet some of our worst players ever have run around and jumped about loads and some of our best didn't run around much and never jumped up and down. It's almost as if the people who worry about the running and jumping don't know what they're talking about.
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Post by LJG on Aug 31, 2021 15:23:44 GMT
And yet he is now too good for this club. He was never and never will be too good for this club…. Hmm ... theres is just the small matter of the level he's played at since he left vs Rovers relative level.
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Post by LJG on Aug 31, 2021 15:20:15 GMT
Ooooh… FFS Ellis, yep remember him… he’s the one everyone agreed, season on season, that he “needed to step up this season”, or it was “a big season for…” and yet he never did. But certain sections of the fan base believed he should be given more time as he was “one of our own…” and he “tried hard”… thanks, but no thanks Ellis And yet he is now too good for this club. Like you said - maybe everyone else is wrong and Bristol Rovers are right ... the Football League is upside-down!
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Post by LJG on Aug 31, 2021 13:20:33 GMT
Now I don't know if I'm supposed to go or not ... Entirely up to you and I would be the last person to judge anyone for supporting the TEAM. The charges for domestic assault and the way the club mishandled that situation was the nail in the coffin for me personally. Yeah I was only joking. I don't have a ST this season anyway for family reasons.
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Post by LJG on Aug 31, 2021 12:38:38 GMT
Pretty sure we're allowed to go to whichever matches we want and eat what we want. Your moral outrage at someone going to a football match doesn't stand up to scrutiny. It's perfectly possible to think JB is a lady garden and go a match, it's perfectly possible to love the bloke and not go. Nothing to do with whatever moral framework you choose to put on it. I'm not morally outraged. I don't give a f**k who goes to games and who doesn't and why. The post I quoted said they would not attend games because Barton is a bad man. Except the games they will attend. Just noting the dissonance in that. Now I don't know if I'm supposed to go or not ...
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Post by LJG on Aug 31, 2021 10:03:51 GMT
LJG I dont meed to have excuses for anytime because im prepared to wait and see what happens. You sir should really get a life and perhaps engage your brain to come up with your own ideas instead of continual trolling of my thoughts. At least i have the willingness to share my ideas over a period of time and stand by them. You have become boring and reached extremes that in all honesty people on forums have been banned for far less. Steve, I'm not trying to troll your posts. I'm sorry if it seems that way. I have a mickey-taking posting style which can come across overly harsh at times. I would say though that you do seem to always have an excuse ready for whatever is going wrong whether that is on or off the pitch. I appreciate that giving things time is broadly sensible but, come on, don't you agree that you can have a bit of a picture of what Barton is like as a Manager over last season and now this? You surely can't say we have no idea what he's like because he didn't recruit the players last season? Do you agree with that much?
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Post by LJG on Aug 30, 2021 20:30:02 GMT
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Post by LJG on Aug 30, 2021 20:27:24 GMT
Ogogo is 31 - he was 29 when he signed for us. Chris Lines is 35 - he was 20 when he made his debut for us and 29 when he signed the second time. McChrystal is 37 - he was 29 when he signed for us. Lee Mansell is 38 - he was 31 when he signed for us. So in answer to your question what differentiates them ... age does. So mostly around 30, apart from Craig who you convinently overlooked, which are similar ages to Barton's present squad, Easter was also over 30 when he signed. OK, Topps. You know best. As always. I don't happen to think that 29 and 33/34 are really the same age though. Maths tells us that's a difference of 5 years which is over 30% when you consider a football player probably has a career of about 15 years. Cue Topper furiously Googling "average career span professional footballer"...
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Post by LJG on Aug 30, 2021 19:15:52 GMT
Ogogo is 31 - he was 29 when he signed for us. Chris Lines is 35 - he was 20 when he made his debut for us and 29 when he signed the second time. McChrystal is 37 - he was 29 when he signed for us. Lee Mansell is 38 - he was 31 when he signed for us. So in answer to your question what differentiates them ... age does. No he’s not . Sorry I edited out that bit of the post and ruined your joke!
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Post by LJG on Aug 30, 2021 19:11:57 GMT
Yup, old farts and loanees. Don't see much different to what we're embarking on. The number of those players is really neither here nor there - what matters is the role they play in the team. What differentiates an "old fart" from "experienced pros" like Craig & Ogogo or Lines, McChrystal & Mansell, I guess none of them were signed by Barton? Ogogo is 31 - he was 29 when he signed for us. Chris Lines is 35 - he was 20 when he made his debut for us and 29 when he signed the second time. McChrystal is 37 - he was 29 when he signed for us. Lee Mansell is 38 - he was 31 when he signed for us. So in answer to your question what differentiates them ... age does.
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Post by LJG on Aug 30, 2021 18:05:18 GMT
As you well know LJG, JB always stated the project was the work done by the transfer deadline which is tomorrow. Ill ignore your ignorance. So the project finishes tomorrow? So that's when we can judge it? Start lining your excuses up for Saturday then ...
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Post by LJG on Aug 30, 2021 17:56:14 GMT
It's exactly the recipe that saw Yeovil and Leyton Orient back in the conference. Thought you've always blamed Yeovil's demise on their over reliance on the loan market? If we got promoted with the present squad only Rodman, Pitman and possibly Hughes and Coutts could be considered to old, replacing those, plus any oldies we sign this week, hardly seems a major task. Yup, old farts and loanees. Don't see much different to what we're embarking on. The number of those players is really neither here nor there - what matters is the role they play in the team.
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Post by LJG on Aug 30, 2021 15:39:58 GMT
So have Man United made a big mistake signing 36 year old Ronaldo,should Jimmy Anderson never play for England again because he's 39?. We have no idea of how fit these guys are so perhaps we should just wait and see,rather than assume that once your over 35 your not up to it. They could be world beaters and it would still be a bad idea to sign 7 players who are in their mid 30's in a desperate bid to gain immediate promotion. How sustainable is it to bring these guys in on one year contracts, and be left with a huge gap in the squad when they inevitably retire or their deal runs out? It's Wael's money but he's bonkers if he's funding these type of moves imo, reeks of short-termism. It's exactly the recipe that saw Yeovil and Leyton Orient back in the conference.
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Post by LJG on Aug 30, 2021 10:54:18 GMT
Well written piece. Not an enjoyable read. It’s incredibly easy to write pieces like this that reminds people of the history. It’s also easy to point the finger and say get rid of this person or this person. It’s the most easiest thing to do in life. Blame them over there. Dump them. Do that and we will all be happy. A similar more difficult piece would be to write an upbeat forward thinking piece that provides insight on the way forward and inspires the fans. Let’s be honest, when we win the next few matches and get in play offs majority of fans will be happy. This piece might not be so relevant in two months time when we are winning matches. Luckily Sam’s after match interview was insightful, intelligent, inspiring and hopeful. You could feel his passion and enjoyment of his increasing levels of fitness. Let’s try getting behind the club on here like the majority of fans going to matches. I’m certain not everyone will agree with me but we all know winning matches will change our perception. Onwards and upwards my friends. . Sorry, Rich. But this is just outright rude. Writing something which is a constructive critique of where the club has gone wrong is not easy. It requires thought and careful consideration. What is easy is ignoring everything which has happened up until now (and I mean right this second because you also want to ignore ongoing issues) and saying "look closer my friend be positive about going forward". People tolerate and even encourage the sh**e you spout on here. Why don't you just give a little consideration to the views of others?
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Post by LJG on Aug 30, 2021 10:03:19 GMT
Sorry to interrupt a decent post with pedantry but seasons are about 4140 minutes. In the modern game yes but Martin is talking about the old 4,368 game style season.
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Post by LJG on Aug 30, 2021 9:53:20 GMT
But you don't seem to have a problem with Barton slating the club in the press? In fact I think last season you were one of the ones delighted by his "telling it like it is". Really, any chance you could highlight that post? I'd be happy to but now you can only view the last 50 pages of a users posts and, because you're such a prolific poster, I can only see your posts as far as 14th May this year.
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Post by LJG on Aug 30, 2021 9:49:36 GMT
Everything about Ellis's career proves everything you say about him wrong. You're arguing with yourself on this one ... and losing. I'm not arguing with anyone, I'm giving my opinion. I'm allowed to do that right? Yeah no probs. Your opinion is wrong though ...
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