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Post by LJG on Aug 29, 2021 21:56:38 GMT
P1ss poor another club's owner commenting on a club he has no involvement and so doesn't have a clue what's going on at the club. But you don't seem to have a problem with Barton slating the club in the press? In fact I think last season you were one of the ones delighted by his "telling it like it is".
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Post by LJG on Aug 29, 2021 21:05:00 GMT
It will be interesting to see what business is done but I do have faith that JB will sort it out and donot have the disillusionment of son that this squad is poor. I think we have some very good players and they will all prove their worth over the season. How people can get on players backs this early amazes me- Coutts has been highly rated at every club he has played for and it is easy to see that there is a player in there but without a preseason and then a suspension it was not an easy start for him. This thread is yet another one joining the bandwagon. With a completely new project you have to be prepared to give it time to reap the rewards.There were very few on here willing to give Garner time and possibly sticking with him would have seen us stay up. Who knows. When you say new project do you mean the 13 players he's already brought in or the 5 more he's bringing in?
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Post by LJG on Aug 29, 2021 20:59:19 GMT
I've never seen the useless idiot move so fast until more money was offered to him at another club. Everything about Ellis's career proves everything you say about him wrong. You're arguing with yourself on this one ... and losing.
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Post by LJG on Aug 29, 2021 20:58:06 GMT
We enquired buy Ellis doesn’t want to come back. Good for him. A massive part of 2 promotions and took no end of sh1t for his efforts. I'd swerve this place like a deer in the road if I were in his shoes.
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Post by LJG on Aug 29, 2021 20:56:24 GMT
OK fair enough. I think you can do both. I do. You can’t just be positive in the eye of a storm when sun standard players consistently lose matches with little belief that things are changing. I just think things are getting better. We lost loads of matches and now we have changed things. Move on now. Nothing to see here. But I think you're doing what you say you can't do. I do respect positive mental attitude as a legitimate sports training tool but it seems like you've artificially delineated between one long bad streak just because it fits with what you hope for right now.
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Post by LJG on Aug 29, 2021 9:58:47 GMT
You sure you won't just be calling the squad "a bunch of losers" again? Give it a break man. Last season we had players who couldn’t create chances, kept making mistakes and gave many of us little confidence that we could win matches. Players that lose matches under 3 managers need to go. Very few are disputing the need to move on last seasons losers. Early signs suggest we are in better shape. I’m more upbeat than you. I know that when players lose matches, consistently, you need to change things. Look on the bright side fella. You will, my friend, be happier for it. I don't not look on the bright side. I just don't look on the bright side then claim the problem was with the players being a bunch of losers ... like you do.
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Post by LJG on Aug 29, 2021 9:29:10 GMT
Pretty confident we will be in playoff places or just outside. You sure you won't just be calling the squad "a bunch of losers" again?
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Post by LJG on Aug 29, 2021 9:27:50 GMT
Has anyone considered the fact that JB has a hidden plan to finish us off? When he was at Fleetwood and he visited the Mem it was obvious to all that he was hated by us. Maybe he took the job out of a deep seated plan of revenge! First of all get rid of the players who fans haven't been too keen on (looks good for him!) but then underhandedly replace them with worse! Play a system that doesn't work, make us the laughing stock of all leagues with his 'We are definitely going to be promoted' speech and make weird contradictory after match interviews just to give other teams something to laugh about. We have lost ALL our credibility and now have a totally divided fan base. He has added NOTHING to the club and with his upcoming court cases will make us the pariahs of the league. We are slowly becoming the old Millwall of Div 2, everyone will hate us and add more effort to beat us - although as in my first statement - JB would like to get us out of this league............. and into non- league. Then, and only then, will his mission be completed. The man is an evil human being and not only should he be sacked by us he should also be banned from ever going to any football ground, even as a spectator. It's gasheads.org you want for the crackpot conspiracy theories.
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Post by LJG on Aug 29, 2021 9:18:00 GMT
End of Jan, another transfer window for some comings and goings and also gets rid of the "need time to gel" argument. I'm really spilt on this dependant on my current mood. Whilst the table doesn't lie and you are where you deserve to be, on paper our squad looks good (although another out and out forward would be good) and I think our luck has to change soon. I think we could be improving soon (well let's bloody hope so) Won't the January comings and goings need time to gel then? Were the 13 comings and 21 goings during the summer not enough?
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Post by LJG on Aug 29, 2021 9:15:06 GMT
I genuinely can't tell whether they can see it, and feel they've painted themselves into a corner where they just can't sack any more managers, or they believe the sort of bullshit that JB spouts. It was pretty clear to me that JB was a bullshitter after about three or four weeks here, some would have worked it out before, some later, but there also seems to be some who really can't tell. Another reasonable interpretation, istm, is that people realise he's a bullshitter but don't consider that an important factor in judging a manager. I think you need to read the OP on willing to be patient thread. We can see as much you, but unlike you have a little more patience. Sacking him now does not stack in my openion as changing things again when we are only 5 games in, just stacks of panic. Now will it be successful, who knows, but let's at least give 10 to 15 games. Funny how that "give him ten games" number keeps going up. First it's ten, now we've played 5 someone yesterday was saying 5 - 8 more, so 10-13. Now it's 10-15. I wonder what it will creep up to if we're crap again next week. Blimey it really is like being stuck in a time warp. I could've copied and pasted that post from the start of last season.
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Post by LJG on Aug 29, 2021 9:10:45 GMT
The fact this question is being asked in August tells us everything we need to know about this fraudulent "great reset" and his cancer surgery.
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Post by LJG on Aug 29, 2021 8:39:57 GMT
Whilst I am not impressed with results it does remind me of the DC era.Take over someone elses team,get relegated,slow start the following season with a large percentage of fans wanting him sacked. The window is still open to bring in 4 or 5 hopefully decent players so I will give it till the end of September before passing judgement. I think with the forwards we have we will create plenty of chances but need to spend on a decent striker to put them away and not rely totally on Pitman What is this 4 of 5 new players nonsense that everyone keeps banging on about? 4 or 5 new players are needed? 5 games into the season? After the bloke has just had the whole summer and brought in a completely new squad? What is it exactly that gives you the impression this person is a competent or credible individual?
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Post by LJG on Aug 29, 2021 8:32:25 GMT
On the subject of Peterborough, it's interesting to hear what their owner Darragh McAnthony said after our loss against Stevenage re: Barton. "Bristol Rovers are in disarray" "I'm not sure what's going on there or what they are waiting for" "He would have been gone already for me" Seriously he'd back a manager over the summer and then sack him after a couple of games, the bloke's talking is usual BS. Where does he say he'd have backed him over the summer? He says "he would have been gone already".
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Post by LJG on Aug 28, 2021 21:15:36 GMT
Actually he has had 6 unless you are counting just league games of course. In that case, yes well done. And he has had 18 games with the set of players from last season too. So in total, he has had 24 games. Just like I said.
Or are you one of those who thinks as he didn't sign the players he was managing last season, those results don't count? You realise when he took the Rovers manager job, it was to manage the squad that was in place? He may not have signed them but they became his players. Do you think Wael would have hired a manager with the knowledge that this new manager don't have to manage the squad or club because they were not his players or staff and would therefore be happy to sacrifice our position in L1?
I think it is remarkable that there are people who are actually accepting that a new manager can walk into a club with still 18 league games to go and be 19th in the league - meaning 5 worse clubs than you, and therefore are not dead and buried but actually have a realistic chance of staying up BUT doesn't have to do anything because it ain't his players so we can just write off the rest of the season and relegation is perfectly fine. Wow. Just wow. Not interested in what he did last season with the bunch of losers, I'm interested in the here and how with the squad of players he has assembled. I cannot judge him on 5 league games. I've watched some good stuff and some utter crap so far. if its the same in 5-8 games time then sack the waster. if he gets us up the league in those 5-8 games into a challenging position would you still want to sack him because he failed last season ? You mean the bunch of losers who still play in League One?
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Post by LJG on Aug 28, 2021 20:34:21 GMT
I understand that point of view, I really do.
But the way I see it, delaying it is just wasting time, wasting money on his new signings and wasting games and making it harder for ourselves. He's had 24 games. I don't accept those players were not his. He became the manager so they became his players. He therefore took over the responsibility for those players. If every new manager joined a club and decided to not bother trying and just give up on the remainder of the season because it's not his players, there would be carnage all over the place. Good managers can work with players regardless if they signed them or not. He has had 24 games to show what he brings to Bristol Rovers. 23 of those were league games. He has won 15 points from a possible 69 points so far. He has failed to win a single away game. He promised we would be the fittest squad in the league. We are no where near being fit let alone the fittest in the league! He promised we will be ready for the start of the season. 5 league games in, he says we still need another 5 players! He also promised us a team to be proud of. Well are you proud so far? Because I doubt many are. He moaned so much about the lack of strikers at the club last season yet we have far less now. He moaned about the lack of leaders on the pitch last season yet none of his signings are willing to stand up and be counted so far. He literally is the worse performing manager that the club has ever had. We were 19th In L1 when he came. So there were 5 clubs worse than us. He has managed to take us to 22nd in L2 - 90th out of the 92 league clubs, so the 3rd worst club in the country, in the space of 6 months and 2 of those months were the off season and pre season.
I admire the positivity and the want to keep giving him time. But we are actually getting worse and I think last seasons team managed by BG would sh** over this seasons team managed by JB to be honest. We are just wasting time, money and games to just deny the inevitable.
He has had 5 games with this set of players....... Draw a line graph of our league position since this came in. It'll look like the *ing Wall Street crash 📉 I hope that's not too libelous a comment.
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Post by LJG on Aug 28, 2021 20:31:38 GMT
Wow, he is still going on about negligence before he came!
“It’s frustrating. I like winning games of football as a coach. I’ve been a lot more used to that than I have since I came to the football club, but you can clearly see that there have been long-running issues at the club; stuff that in my opinion has been really negligent and poor and certain departments."
And how he believes Klopp or Pep wouldn't have done any better than him at Rovers so far is completely unbelievable.
"If you put Klopp in this job, or Guardiola, and you give them the resources we’ve had, and the exit strategies of 28 players leaving out of 34, they wouldn’t take the job, because they’ve obviously earned the right not to do that, but I don’t think they would be able to turn it around quicker than we can.”
He is so far up his own backside that he could probably reach through and be able to brush teeth.
Referring to himself as "we" - I'm convinced he has a personality disorder.
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Post by LJG on Aug 28, 2021 20:19:07 GMT
Did he genuinely say this? Have you got a link to it? Should be sacked tonight if so. Back to slating the club as a "negligent" organisation and talking about cancer surgery then. This bloke is a *ing TWUNT.
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Post by LJG on Aug 28, 2021 20:04:41 GMT
It is very easy to be critical after defeat but not to bother to comment after a good display and result. This is fully in evidence by the number of posts after saturdays defeat compared to number of posts after last nights win. Then there is the usual Oldham are terrible and certainties to go down and here you have the mindset of a football supporter. Lets be honest Stevenage were no better on Saturday and we looked awful and in the same vein I would say that we were very good last night and our PERFORMANCE especially in the first half made Oldham look awful. Had we come off 4-0 at half time it would have been a fair reflection of the play and they would probably have got off lightly aided by another inept refereeing performance Yes they have lost their first three league games and are bottom but if you look at those games- 0-1 at home to Newport with Newport scoring an 88th minute winner against the run of play and 1-2 away at Bradford with a 96th minute penalty denying them a draw. Who beat Stevenage last night 4-1? That same Bradford City team. So perhaps they are not as awful as people are saying and perhaps it was more a case of our attacking play and pace and movement of our players tearing them apart? It will be interesting now to see if this was a one off or the signs of much better things to come. So many players impressed me last night and not even a poor second half in comparison to the first can hide my pleasure of seeing the possibility of something special with the performances of Saunders, Collins, Finley, Anderson and Rodman all showing great flair and ability, One quote from a Rovers supporter in this thread who I will not name because I cannot believe the stupidness of the statement and can only assume he is joking or perhaps so old that he has fallen asleep in most of the games he has seen!!- " The standard of the first half of the game was the worst I think I have seen in 60 years of watching professional football!" and I think this sums up just how little credit some are willing to give to the team. All i can say is if that was the worst he has seen then for one he could not have been at either of the previous home games this season for starters!! I would suggest he best not follow football if that is the case because you aren't going to get many better performances over 45 minutes!! Roll on saturday now and lets hope we can see 90 minutes of the worst standard he has seen in 60 years. Quiet again tonight, Steve. Still reviewing the stats from today?
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Post by LJG on Aug 28, 2021 19:57:56 GMT
Been doing that for two years and look where we are. Who do you suggest ? The sunk cost fallacy.
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Post by LJG on Aug 28, 2021 19:44:46 GMT
Has there ever been a Matchday thread with fewer pages? The apathy towards the club in it's current state is growing with every non-performance. I think people on both sides of the JB debate just don't know what to say after this result. A draw pretty much means a stalemate with the argument if he should go or not. Pretty much as we were before the game apart from another game we didn't win and was another disappointing performance but we didn't lose. We drew against 10 man BARROW! The week aftera 4-1 drubbing! If that doesn't put a dent in the JB should stay side of the debate I don't know what will. Probably nothing since it's like a religious cult. They'll keep lying to themselves in order to keep believing what they believe and ignore what's in front of their eyes.
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