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Post by warehamgas on Jul 12, 2017 14:47:20 GMT
but what about admitting guilt, remorse and the fact that she has lost her home to pay the club back.
We don't know the full facts, what BRSC and their legal team argued (bearing in mind this is someone people have known for years and consider/considered a friend). In some ways this was more or less settled out of court between BRSC and Sandra
"but what about admitting guilt" AFTER she got caught!!!! " remorse and the fact that she has lost her home to pay the club back." So that makes it OK then? Have a bit of insurance(the home) go and steal £176K, if no one notices yay were quids in. Get caught though, yay I still have my house as insurance, no jail for me. Pretty sure she was never quids in!! It's a sad case but the judge listening to it would have had a lot more experience of dealing with and sentencing such cases than any of us. That's why he will have been hearing the case and not someone else who might want revenge and vengeance. BRFC are happy, the money's back. End of, let's move on. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 14:49:29 GMT
"but what about admitting guilt" AFTER she got caught!!!! " remorse and the fact that she has lost her home to pay the club back." So that makes it OK then? Have a bit of insurance(the home) go and steal £176K, if no one notices yay were quids in. Get caught though, yay I still have my house as insurance, no jail for me. Pretty sure she was never quids in!! It's a sad case but the judge listening to it would have had a lot more experience of dealing with and sentencing such cases than any of us. That's why he will have been hearing the case and not someone else who might want revenge and vengeance. BRFC are happy, the money's back. End of, let's move on. UTG! Where did I say she was quids in?
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Post by EastVanGas on Jul 12, 2017 15:21:06 GMT
I'd rather my tax money got put to better use than appealing this sentence and/or locking her up. Any evidence to suggest she was not locked up because she was a woman @gasheadgaz ?
She made a mistake which was rectified. The club got its money back plus it's legal fees.
A mistake surely not, deceit and fraud over a period of time from a person in a position of trust with other people's monies, a prison sentence was justified, it was calculated not a one off, a lot of people in prison for more trivial crimes like pirating Dvd's. mistake /mɪˈsteɪk/ noun noun: mistake; plural noun: mistakes "an act or judgement that is misguided or wrong."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 15:27:05 GMT
What's the point in putting someone in prison who has had to sell her house to repay the funds and is now moving abroad? I'll bet she will regret this for the rest of her life! Move on! And don't let it happen again! £175k warrants a prison sentence in my eyes. That's mortgage paying off money which can take up to thirty years to pay off, or in other words a life sentence of debt. A lady got three years for stealing £30k from the scouts accounts recently - bet she feels hard done by. Suppose we're lucky she's moving abroad now and not before being caught!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 15:30:56 GMT
I agree with the outcome and think because the money was returned in full the lady deserves a second chance in life especially at her age. At her age, she should knpow better!
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Post by peterparker on Jul 12, 2017 15:40:22 GMT
I agree with the outcome and think because the money was returned in full the lady deserves a second chance in life especially at her age. At her age, she should knpow better! but addiction doesn't work like that.
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Post by pirate49 on Jul 12, 2017 15:43:52 GMT
At her age, she should knpow better! but addiction doesn't work like that. Somewhat leftfield but one storyline in the recent Sean Bean BBC mini-series 'Broken' dealt very well with the topic of gambling addiction.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 15:46:49 GMT
Addiction?!
Lawyer: "You can't just admit you're a dirty lowlife thief." Thief: "Okay, what should I say?" Lawyer: "Do you have health issues?" Thief: "NO!" Lawyer: "Drug or alcohol dependancy?" Thief: "NO!" Lawyer: "Addiction?" Thief: "I like the 2p drop slot on Weston pier?" Lawyer: "Damn, you gambling addiction drove you to commit this crime - didn' it!" Thief: "Erm, (pause) yes?!" Lawyer: "Bingo."
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Post by peterparker on Jul 12, 2017 16:05:51 GMT
Addiction?! Lawyer: "You can't just admit you're a dirty lowlife thief." Thief: "Okay, what should I say?" Lawyer: "Do you have health issues?" Thief: "NO!" Lawyer: "Drug or alcohol dependancy?" Thief: "NO!" Lawyer: "Addiction?" Thief: "I like the 2p drop slot on Weston pier?" Lawyer: "Damn, you gambling addiction drove you to commit this crime - didn' it!" Thief: "Erm, (pause) yes?!" Lawyer: "Bingo." Do you know what evidence was presented?
it doesn't appear she had loads of money as she had to sell her family home to pay the SC back, and I don't think their is any evidence of lavish spending. That would suggest the money was lost somehow
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Post by beaver132 on Jul 12, 2017 16:26:16 GMT
There are sentencing guidlines for those that have the time to read them. From memory, she would fall into the category 20K to 300k, a starting sentence of 3 years I think?
Youre entitled to a third off for a guilty plea, with good mitigation including that she was a gambling addict and no previous offences, plus paying back the cash in full, and you can see how she got two years suspended. Potentially very slightly lighter than she might have got but it's on the edge of reasonableness.
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Post by paulpirate on Jul 12, 2017 16:26:44 GMT
It's a sad case, at least she paid back the money by selling the family home. Lucky to escape prison but I'm not sure what good it would have served to bang her up for a couple of years. The woman has lost her home and that a pretty tough punishment in itself. I think all the day-time TV ads for gambling and bingo sites should be banned and it feeds the type of addiction this woman suffered from. get a grip,the poor woman had to sell her home...good she is a thief and wouldn't of payed it back if she hadn't got caught Was she a ted?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 16:33:12 GMT
LOCK HER UP. Or at least put her in stocks and let us pelt her with twixes at HT.
If only we had a fair judicial system like in the middle east.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 12, 2017 16:45:20 GMT
It's a sad case, at least she paid back the money by selling the family home. Lucky to escape prison but I'm not sure what good it would have served to bang her up for a couple of years. The woman has lost her home and that a pretty tough punishment in itself. I think all the day-time TV ads for gambling and bingo sites should be banned and it feeds the type of addition this woman suffered from. I actually think this is something that needs to be addressed in football as a whole. We have things like Tobacco advertising banned, but can have TV adverts, pitch hoardings and shirt sponsors galore promoting gambling and how easy it is to in-play bet.
it's easy to do, and easy to get sucked in with a quid here and a quid there during a match and suddenly you are down quite a bit
I like a flutter and am pretty sensible about it, but there have been occasions when I could have gotten carried away, or chased something, but have pulled myself back
Ray Wnston telling you to bang on that as Bet 365 stick tempting odds on screen is not a good thing
Disagree. People need to take responsibility for their own actions. If you choose to go down this road then that is YOUR fault. Not everyone does then why are you so different?! Are we going to say stop Mcdonalds advertising how good their burgers are because people are getting fat? Etc Take responsibility. Simple. She is v lucky to get away so leniently.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jul 12, 2017 16:55:33 GMT
Could understand the sentence if she did show remorse straight away and offered to pay it back, like some are making it.
That's not the case though, she then forged bank documents to try and cover it up. That's as bad as stealing the money in the first place, if she came clean then it wouldn't have been as bad if she was addicted. But to forge documents, she obviously wasn't wanting to pay it back or showing remorse.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jul 12, 2017 16:57:21 GMT
There are sentencing guidlines for those that have the time to read them. From memory, she would fall into the category 20K to 300k, a starting sentence of 3 years I think? Youre entitled to a third off for a guilty plea, with good mitigation including that she was a gambling addict and no previous offences, plus paying back the cash in full, and you can see how she got two years suspended. Potentially very slightly lighter than she might have got but it's on the edge of reasonableness. Do those guidelines include forging documents to cover it up though?? That shows no remorse, she only did when she was fully caught, so didn't have a choice.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 12, 2017 17:03:59 GMT
I know someone very close to me who was in an almost identical situation to this with a very similar outcome.
They paid back every penny, but obviously lost their job and very nearly their marriage. It destroys families.
Yes, they were very lucky not to go to prison but ultimately that would not have made any difference. They have had 10yrs at GA and have come though it a little stronger.
It's a very sad situation for all concerned and certainly no one has got away with anything as far as I can see.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 17:08:11 GMT
but addiction doesn't work like that. Somewhat leftfield but one storyline in the recent Sean Bean BBC mini-series 'Broken' dealt very well with the topic of gambling addiction. That was the first thing I thought of when I read the reason behind the theft - it was quite a harrowing storyline. This lady has lost much more than a prison sentence could ever inflict.
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Post by beaver132 on Jul 12, 2017 17:19:31 GMT
There are sentencing guidlines for those that have the time to read them. From memory, she would fall into the category 20K to 300k, a starting sentence of 3 years I think? Youre entitled to a third off for a guilty plea, with good mitigation including that she was a gambling addict and no previous offences, plus paying back the cash in full, and you can see how she got two years suspended. Potentially very slightly lighter than she might have got but it's on the edge of reasonableness. Do those guidelines include forging documents to cover it up though?? That shows no remorse, she only did when she was fully caught, so didn't have a choice. Yep. Possession of articles to be used in Fraud, contrary to The Fraud Act. The sophistication of the fraud forms another strata of the sentencing guidelines. One is the amount, the other is the sophistication and the other is the length of time and the status of the accused. So you could have a half million pound fraud, with someone who uses false documentation, over a prolonged period of time, or from the outset and the suspect controls others to do their bidding and that would slide the sentence up from the starting point. Alternatively a one off fraud, unsophisticated (ie took a chance) and acting alone would slide the sentence down from the starting point. If I was guessing the sentence from the start, I would have said either 6 months inside or two years suspended. She can count herself slightly fortunate, and without doubt the repayment of the cash saved her from jail time.
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Post by paulpirate on Jul 12, 2017 17:57:42 GMT
Somewhat leftfield but one storyline in the recent Sean Bean BBC mini-series 'Broken' dealt very well with the topic of gambling addiction. That was the first thing I thought of when I read the reason behind the theft - it was quite a harrowing storyline. This lady has lost much more than a prison sentence could ever inflict. she should got prison as well,a lot of people work hard for their money If you want to gamble remortgage your house and do it don't steal from others
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Post by William Wilson on Jul 12, 2017 18:02:33 GMT
I agree with the outcome and think because the money was returned in full the lady deserves a second chance in life especially at her age. She`s 35 years younger than Oldie. What`s age got to do with it?
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